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Kerry appearance at American Legion - live thread
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Posted on 09/01/2004 4:46:34 AM PDT by rudy45

Sorry for starting this thread so early. Is this like calling "shotgun" three days before the trip starts LOL?

I was trying to find out the time that the Senator's speech will occur. I found nothing at the Legion website (www.legion.org), nor at the Kerry site, nor at CSPAN. When will the speech be given?

Anyway, here is a thread for people to post their comments.


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1 posted on 09/01/2004 4:46:34 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: rudy45
We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim.

It is from these things the New Soldier is asking America to turn. We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us as a nation, shallow pride which feeds off fear, and mostly from the promises which have proven so deceiving these past ten years.

john kerry

2 posted on 09/01/2004 4:52:18 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: rudy45

When is the speech?


3 posted on 09/01/2004 4:54:00 AM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: rudy45

4 posted on 09/01/2004 4:54:57 AM PDT by The G Man (Hi, Mark! I see you watching me!)
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To: rudy45

I, too, need to know the time. It probably is when I have a doctor's appointment, so I am counting on Freeperville for the facts. I am anxious to hear what Mr. Furious has to say.

Reports this morning said he wanted to come out swinging against the Swiftees but was advised against it. Will he come out swinging today?

I also want to see the reception he is given.

Questions for those in the know: I heard on the radio yesterday that the VFW as an organization does not endorse candidates. True?


5 posted on 09/01/2004 4:56:12 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (What part of SHALL PASS NO LAW do they not understand?)
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To: rudy45
Looking for the time of Kerry's speech in Nashville, I found this gem from ABC news ...

As for the Kerry campaign -- as one Democratic strategist surveying the the last three weeks said, they have gone from "delusion obliviousness straight to panic. Not even a pause at anywhere constructive."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html <-- The Note

6 posted on 09/01/2004 4:58:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights; rudy45

How Kerry is received today will be a telling moment. If they trash him then it is the end of JFK. I'd love to see the whole speech. I wonder if C-Span will carry it.


7 posted on 09/01/2004 4:59:46 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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To: rudy45
I'm beginning to think the results of this "meeting" will be hard for the alphabet media to cover up.

IMHO ... Democrats will have learned one thing from this campaign. They must somehow gain control of all media outlets, allowing only their propaganda to be heard.

All conservative radio must be silenced. All opposing TV networks removed from the air. Conservative bloggers banned from the internet. And last, but not least, all supporters of, and the Swifties themselves, must be interred in indoctrination camps, until they get their minds right ... Luke!

8 posted on 09/01/2004 5:04:13 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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"... now, fellahs... we're all fellow veterans here, right? 'Let bygones be bygones'... yes, sir, that's always been my motto, by golly! Heh-heh-heh... my goodness... I don't think I've ever seen quite this many torches and pitchforks at any American Legion function before this, in all honesty. Is this something new you men have started up just recently, or -- hey! YOU, there! SIR! Yes, you, the one swinging that bicycle chain over his head! That's just about close enough, thank you very much! I... I... holy geez, is that an actual scaffold you guys are putting together, back there...?"

9 posted on 09/01/2004 5:05:08 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: rudy45

The President spoke somewhere around 9:45 or so.

Maybe the same time?


10 posted on 09/01/2004 5:05:20 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: rudy45

One safe prediction: John F*ckin' will show up late.


11 posted on 09/01/2004 5:07:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: rudy45

Thanks for posting this. I want to know the time too. I'm like a kid on Christmas morning. I can't wait to see Kerry implode.


12 posted on 09/01/2004 5:08:56 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Reports this morning said he wanted to come out swinging against the Swiftees but was advised against it.

No doubt he has his knickers in a twist about the letter the Swiftees sent to him on Monday:

(courtesy of Worldnet Daily)

Dear Senator Kerry:

As you prepare for your address before the American Legion in Nashville, Tennessee, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth encourages you to use this opportunity to clarify your actions in Vietnam and your statements about your fellow Veterans and shipmates when you returned home. Since you have made your four-month tour in Vietnam the centerpiece of your campaign, we respectfully insist that you be truthful. The public is owed a full and honest accounting of your actions. Veterans are owed an apology from you and an acknowledgement that there was no basis in fact for the accusations you made against them.

We urge you to:

1. Apologize for your conduct once you returned from Vietnam. Your exaggerated testimony before the US Senate; the blanket indictment of your fellow veterans; throwing away medals and ribbons; all of these actions dishonored America and the armed forces. Your rhetoric and actions were not only wrong, they aided the enemy and brought great pain to POW's, veterans and their families.

2. Clarify the conflicting accounts involving the Bay Hap River incident of March 13, 1969 (Bronze Star and 3rd Purple Heart). You have now described three different versions of this incident. In the first version of this incident presented during the Democrat National Convention, you stated: "No man left behind," suggesting to the American people that you alone stayed on the river to rescue Mr. Rassmann. Later, when forced to acknowledge conflicting eyewitness testimony from fellow swift boat veterans, you said that your boat left the scene to return moments later to retrieve Jim Rassmann from the water. Yet, in another version of the same incident discovered in the Congressional Record, you reported that your boat struck a mine and Rassmann fell off the boat. Mr. Kerry, please explain to your fellow veterans and the American people which version is the truth.

3. Affirm that the injuries for which you received your purple hearts never required any medical treatment beyond perhaps a bandage and that, in all instances, these injuries were self-inflicted and came from your own weapon. Further, that if any of these purple hearts were falsely awarded, that you would not have been eligible to leave Vietnam after serving only four months.

4. Acknowledge what your own biographer is now saying, that the Christmas in Cambodia claim is "obviously wrong,? that you were never in Cambodia over Christmas or any other time during your brief, four-month tour in Vietnam and that your statements before the United States Senate in 1986 were false.

If you undertake these steps we will be satisfied that the American public has been sufficiently apprised as to these aspects of your career, and we will discontinue the media advertisements you have sought so fervently to silence.

Please know that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are eager to close our own personal chapters on Vietnam and instead focus on the war we're currently fighting—the ongoing war on terrorism. In the absence of full public disclosure and a public apology, we will continue efforts to carry our message to an ever-expanding base of grassroots supporters.

Senator Kerry, we want to get Vietnam behind us. But, we can only do so if the truth is told.

We respectfully await your reply.

Sincerely,

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth


13 posted on 09/01/2004 5:10:14 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Cboldt
The article misses the point - Kerry is a very flawed candidate. Did anyone alive in the Vietnam era not realize how "controversial" Kerry was? Why would they not expect everything that has occurred?
14 posted on 09/01/2004 5:10:44 AM PDT by oswald
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To: rudy45
CNN reported yesterday that they have seen parts of Kerry's speech and he is going to attack the Swift Boat Vets and question what they have done for the past 35 years (I'm a Senator and you're not!).

Then I hear on Fox & Friends a Kerry spokeswoman questioned on whether an apology would be appropriate. She answered yes.

Who knows what the strategy. If Kerry attacks fellow vets he will probably get booed. If he apologizes now, he comes off as giving into his enemy's demands.

It will be interesting. Can Kerry pull this off or will the nail be hammered in today?
15 posted on 09/01/2004 5:12:17 AM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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"Now wait a minute. I told the truth about the Purple Hearts before I didn't. I may have called you guys "war criminals" and "village burning murderers" but I didn't mean that in a negative way. I have also committed genocide in my heart."

16 posted on 09/01/2004 5:12:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Republican Red

He can pull it off. He has to seed the audience with his supporters. The media will never tell us.


17 posted on 09/01/2004 5:13:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: oswald
The article misses the point - Kerry is a very flawed candidate. Did anyone alive in the Vietnam era not realize how "controversial" Kerry was? Why would they not expect everything that has occurred?

Because the media and DEM party has been able to bury Kerry's con for years. The Kerry campaign thought the media would NOT cover the facts recited in the book, "Unfit for Command."

18 posted on 09/01/2004 5:14:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rudy45

I hope some Veterans will be passing out copies of Kerry's comments about the VFW and American Legion.


19 posted on 09/01/2004 5:14:15 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: oswald

Thai stick, too much Thai stick. It rots the brain.


20 posted on 09/01/2004 5:14:24 AM PDT by Stashiu ( Yeah, I am a Vietnam Vet, not a War Criminal.)
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