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WHEN THE KILLERS COME FOR THE KIDS
NYPOST ^ | September 4, 2004 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 09/04/2004 8:00:04 AM PDT by jolie560

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To: Diogenesis

great cartoon. were I more computer literate, I'd post one I have of a turbin wearin' guy at a suicide bomber class
saying ,"watch closely, I'm only going to show you this once"...


101 posted on 09/04/2004 12:49:38 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece-DO NOT DISTURB Occupant is disturbed enough already)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Wrong.

When our Government Fails to do It's job it is our Duty to
do it for ourselves.

Vigilante justice is at times necessary.

If it makes you uncomfortable Become a police officer.

My Dad had a good saying "Crap or get off the Pot!"


102 posted on 09/04/2004 12:52:31 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: jolie560

A gut-wrenching story of "Sophie's Choice", at:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&e=14&u=/latimests/killerssettermsamotherchooses


103 posted on 09/04/2004 12:57:23 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: LtKerst

In other words, those with the courage to condemn the acts of terrorists will do little more than receive your scorn, and the terrorists' anger.

Nice job, reward someone brave enough to speak out against terrorists and place their lives in danger for doing so, with contempt.

Then you wonder why more don't do it.


104 posted on 09/04/2004 2:47:45 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: LtKerst

Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?


105 posted on 09/04/2004 2:50:31 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: LtKerst
First you terrorize your opponents into silence so that your movement appears to have no opposition. This gives you tremendous power, not only because moderates quietly feel they are alone in their disagreement with you, but also because the ignorant media – especially the foreign media – casts you as the choice of the people. Having succeeded in silencing moderates, the next step is terrorizing them into cooperating with you. Soon passive cooperation is not enough. You want more than their body – you want their soul, so you terrorize the moderates into being "passionate" in your cause.

In the end, your movement appears to have only loyal and active supporters. Now you are in total control, for who would dare speak out against you? As Hitler said, 10 years before he finally rose to power, "The National Socialist Movement will in the future ruthlessly prevent – if necessary by force – all meetings or lectures that are likely to distract the minds of our fellow countrymen." In other words, all opposition is evil and we will protect you from it.

Sound familiar?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24656

You are an enabler to the terrorist's agenda.

106 posted on 09/04/2004 2:53:45 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Who is urging pacifism?

I am against becoming monsters to fight monsters.

Did we burn Nazis alive in ovens or gas them after WWII?

No, we did not, those left alive were brought to justice.

Anyone who reads what I have to say, and sees the words of a pacifist, is an intentional fool.


107 posted on 09/04/2004 2:56:17 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: jolie560
Excellent piece by Ralph Peters!

If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter — if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats — then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral.

When will the 21st Century Crusades begin?
108 posted on 09/04/2004 3:09:55 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Westbrook

Actually, Herod was a Jew- albeit from a Jordanian-based desert tribe that was forcibly converted. He also married Mariamne- a descendant of the Jewish ruling nobility- and then slaughtered her family- to bolster his legitimacy to rule the land of the Jews.


109 posted on 09/04/2004 3:10:04 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: jolie560
It's good to see that mainstream media is beginning to recognize reality.

Now, just one more little step - and we can start talking about methods to deal with is-slime in a highly proactive manner.

110 posted on 09/04/2004 3:12:25 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: silverleaf

Are Abe Foxman and Al Franken descended from that line?


111 posted on 09/04/2004 3:13:54 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Spanaway Lori

Sorry for such a delayed response. MSM means Main Stream Media.


112 posted on 09/04/2004 5:31:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: WineGuy

Actually, this is WW IV.

We won WW III, from 1945-89. It was fought in many theatres, from Korea to Cuba to Berlin.

The current war is every bit as global.


113 posted on 09/04/2004 5:52:58 PM PDT by We Happy Few ("we band of brothers; for he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother;")
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To: ought-six

"The author said 'An attack on children is an attack on all humanity.' Truer words have never been spoken."

This line reminds me of how Woodrow Wilson characterized the German U-boat attacks against civilian ships in World War I. The massive loss of civilian life in the North Atlantic gave Wilson enough popular support to send troops to France, despite having won in 1916 on the theme of having kept the U.S. out of the war.


114 posted on 09/04/2004 5:59:23 PM PDT by We Happy Few ("we band of brothers; for he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother;")
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To: tarheelswamprat

Well said. If Muslims in general truly repudiate and denounce terrorism in the name of Islam we would know it. One thing our lefty press would not withhold from us is that. Yet we hear next to nothing. ROP fails the smell test.


115 posted on 09/04/2004 6:41:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; xzins
In your post #92, you challenged my post #88 where I quoted Ann Coulter's suggestion that we hunt down the terrorists, kill their leaders and convert their followers to Christianity.

You maintained that this action would be no different than the actions of the "Islamicists" who've just murdered several hundred children, laughing as their young victims passed out from dehydration and blood loss.

To which I reply you appear to be a man of little discernment.

Yours is the easy belief. It requires only vacuous judgment, sloppy insight and very little intelligence to say "everything's the same."

You can do better.

Go back and study the photos of the dead children. Hundreds of dead children.
116 posted on 09/05/2004 1:24:12 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Luis Gonzalez

Almighty God,

There is no power beyond Your power and no glory beyond Your glory. You truly are the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Many attempt to reject Your glory, Your Son, and Your command, but it is they who pass away while You are from everlasting to everlasting.

Among those who have turned against You are those who this week murdered hundreds of school children in Russia. They are led by others involved with Al Qaeda and led by such men as Osama bin Laden and al Zawahiri his aide. We know, Lord God, that Your Son has said "Let the little children come unto me...for of such is the Kingdom of God." Likewise, Jesus has said that it would be better for those who injure the children if "a millstone were tied around their necks and they were cast into the sea."

It is clear that Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and its other leaders have now irrefutably, consciously targeted little children. They stripped them, abused them, and then murdered them.

We pray specifically for the soon capture or killing of the murderer Osama bin Laden. The blood of children cries to heaven from the earth.

Divinely guide those special warriors of our nation who look for him. Provide even more guidance to those believing warriors, Your Gideon's Army, who are in their ranks. Protect them from all their enemies, foreign and domestic, and guide them unerringly to this murderer, bin Laden and his aide, al Zawahiri.

We pray in the name of Jesus Christ; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.


117 posted on 09/05/2004 3:34:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That's right, I do challenge your post, I do not believe in forced conversions. Forced conversions is one of the tenets of extreme Islam.

If you favor forced conversions, you are no better than a Muslim extremist.

Let me ask you something...

Can you be forced to convert to Islam?

It's not that I am a man of little discernment, it is rather that you are a man of false Christianity.


118 posted on 09/05/2004 7:30:14 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"...we hunt down the terrorists, kill their leaders and convert their followers to Christianity."

You've just turned this into a world-wide war of religions. While Muslim extremists misrepresent the Qu'ran to their followers by telling them that in order to be a good Muslim, one must convert the infidels by force if necessary, the mainstream (90%) of Muslims understand that this is a false interpretation.

However, the Qu'ran does very specifically instruct the believers to fight to the death anyone who attacks Islam, and tries to forcefully convert them. So the moment that we begin forced conversions, you've declared war on all Muslims everywhere.

Coulter is wrong just as you are wrong.

Following yours and Coulter's advise will do little more than elevate this to an Apocalyptic scale.

119 posted on 09/05/2004 8:25:44 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; xzins; D Edmund Joaquin
forced conversions

I didn't say anything, nor did Coulter, about "forced" conversions. God converts whom He wills at His pleasure.

You are a man of false Christianity.

Wrong.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. -- Matthew 7:15-20.

"Well, the howling wolf will howl tonight,
The king snake will crawl,
Trees that've stood for a thousand years
Suddenly will fall...
He could be standing next to you,
The person that you'd notice least.
I hear that sometimes
Satan comes as a man of peace."

Bob Dylan -- "Man of Peace"

120 posted on 09/05/2004 10:47:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: xzins; Luis Gonzalez; D Edmund Joaquin
Amen.

Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come.

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. -- Luke 17:1-3

I didn't see any repentance among the Islamofascist terrorists. I only saw photos of dead children and a small cross in a bloodied hand.

Perhaps you missed them.

121 posted on 09/05/2004 11:06:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I did not see the photo of the child with the cross in his little hand. But you have not told me this of yourself but of the Holy Spirit. This verifies that no matter the passage be about young children or the young siblings of Christ that this prayer is within the will of God.

If you ask anything in my name it will be done.

If you have faith as the grain of a mustard seed you would say to this mountain, 'Be thou removed and be cast into the sea!' and it would be done.


122 posted on 09/05/2004 1:02:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Perhaps you missed them."

Quit being an idiot; the pictures are everywhere to be seen.

You want to convert the fanatics who would do this in the name of their religion to Christianity, a religion they consider evil incarnate, "the Great Satan". How would you go about it by using something other than force?

What would it take for them to convert you to Islam?

They can't convert you anymore than you can convert them.

And quote scripture to someone else, I am quite capable of reading The Word on my own.

You can't convert the kind of people who do things such as this, you must kill them, and pray that God forgives them...I sure will not.

123 posted on 09/05/2004 1:35:47 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
One of the complaints used by the states as justification for the secession from the British Empire was that "He has obstructed the Administration of Justice ...". This is exactly the case in Syria, Iran, Chechnea, Saudi Arabia, and numerous other Islamic nations. It WAS the case in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is why the US destroyed the governments of the Taliban and the Bathists.

People living in those nations, by their silence, are complicit in the deaths of thousands of Americans, in the deaths of thousands of Israelis, and in the deaths of hundreds of Russians,

The US was not lawless in overthrowing the Taliban. We were not lawless in killing combatants in Afghanistan. The US was not lawless in overthrowing the bloody regime in Iraq. We were not lawless in killing the enemy there, either.

The citizens of these countries would also be justified in killing those who murder the innocent. Justice is not going to be served by their governments. And mealy mouthed apologies this late in the bloodbath are meaningless.

124 posted on 09/05/2004 2:24:11 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: jolie560
We're supposed to pretend that Islam is a "religion of peace."

Yeah....
125 posted on 09/05/2004 2:27:06 PM PDT by gipper81
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To: Luis Gonzalez; xzins; D Edmund Joaquin
Quit being an idiot.

For a pacifist, you're pretty aggressive.

They can't convert you any more than you can convert them.

Only God converts.

You must kill them, and pray that God forgives them.

That was my point. You said I would be no better than the terrorists with that line of thinking.

But I'm glad that God has chosen to convert you to the truth.

Surely thou will slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. -- Psalm 139:19-22.

  
126 posted on 09/05/2004 2:43:52 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: gitmo

A "perfect hatred" bump to you, too.


127 posted on 09/05/2004 2:46:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: xzins

"I did not see the photo of the child with the cross..."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040903/481/mosb12609031702


128 posted on 09/05/2004 3:20:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I agree - killing, not converting, is what the Islamofascists need.

In satisfyingly large numbers, and sooner rather than later.

Peace will come.


129 posted on 09/05/2004 3:27:26 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"For a pacifist, you're pretty aggressive."

So, you're wrong once.

"Only God converts."

Man finds God, God does not find man; He doesn't need to...and now you've been wrong twice.

"That was my point."

No, you said you agreed with Coulter, kill the leaders and convert the rest, I took issue with the forced conversion...now, you've been wrong three times.

"But I'm glad that God has chosen to convert you to the truth."

And now, you seem to believe that you are privy to His inner thoughts...not only are you consistently wrong, but there's a good probability that you're fruitier than my great-aunt Lidia's Christmas Fruit Cake.

130 posted on 09/05/2004 4:38:19 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; xzins; HarleyD; lockeliberty; RnMomof7; Jean Chauvin; nobdysfool; Diamond; ...
Man finds God; God does not find man...

Hey, xzins, this is where Arminianism ends up. Hubris.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." -- Ephesians 2:8-10.

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." - Ephesians 1:4   

131 posted on 09/05/2004 7:08:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you for the photo, my sister.

He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored.

They have violated one of the little ones who believe in him.


132 posted on 09/05/2004 7:16:46 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You know I don't believe that.

I believe that God enlightens.

It's that simple.


133 posted on 09/05/2004 8:19:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: xzins

Amen.

I just found it odd that this belief we share should provoke some to use words like "fruitcake." 8~)


134 posted on 09/05/2004 9:25:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Dr. Eckleburg
They can't convert you anymore than you can convert them.

You don't understand. What she is saying is that the conversion itself is an act of God irrespective of what the convertee thinks of it prior to the conversion taking place.

She is correct.

In Christianity an Islamic could be as easily the target of God as could a foppish crossdresser at a gay-rights parade.

135 posted on 09/05/2004 9:49:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Luis Gonzalez
Retribution is not terrorism.

Sometimes the only way to rid a house of termites is to take down the building.

Anyone who sees the photos of these dead children and urges pacifism is a fool.

Not to derail the debate, but why is it that I only hear this "fight fire with fire" strategy in reference to our fight against terrorism and never in connection with the even more horrific holocaust of abortion going on in our own backyard?

136 posted on 09/06/2004 7:38:47 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: schaketo

I would love, love to see Mecca destroyed.


137 posted on 09/06/2004 7:45:22 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: Diogenesis

These photos and others like them need to be plastered across the U.S. on billboards. American citizens need to be constantly reminded of the Hell these innocent people went through when they realized they had no chance for rescue and had no other alternative but to jump to their deaths.


138 posted on 09/06/2004 7:48:07 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
but there's a good probability that you're fruitier than my great-aunt Lidia's Christmas Fruit Cake.

Welcome to my world

139 posted on 09/06/2004 1:04:10 PM PDT by D Edmund Joaquin (There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water and the blood 1 John 5:8)
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To: xzins

If God wanted to convert them, they'd be converted.


140 posted on 09/06/2004 3:46:52 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: proudofthesouth

So, you would love to fight a billion Muslim rather than the relatively small percentage of extremists we're fighting now?

Yeah...sounds like a brilliant plan to me.


141 posted on 09/06/2004 3:48:52 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

If God wants them converted they will be so willingly in His own good time.


142 posted on 09/06/2004 3:52:10 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: jolie560
If Muslims hope to save any credibility in the civilized world, they had better urge their leaders to immediately issue fatwas against the demonic savages who did this.

All those who publicly issued a death sentence against Salman Rushdie for his literary musings should be asked: what is your position on those who shoot five year-olds in the back in the name of Allah?

143 posted on 09/06/2004 3:58:42 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: xzins

So Coulter's solution of killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity is just so much hot wind I guess, because regardless of what she may say, His time line, not Ann's, will be implemented as far as those conversions are concerned.


144 posted on 09/06/2004 5:26:48 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So Coulter's solution of killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity is just so much hot wind I guess, because regardless of what she may say, His time line, not Ann's, will be implemented as far as those conversions are concerned.

This is the best stuff I have read in a long time. Your right, in God's time line. And I think that time is now & the terrorist did it themselves. They wanted to force Islam on the world & what they are doing is turning many of there own people (I don't mean the clerics mean the average little guy muslim) away from that faith. Don't you think that some muslins will look at this & know in there heart it is wrong & will walk away & look for the one true God? Also
I do agree, we must fight these people to the end.
145 posted on 09/06/2004 5:45:25 PM PDT by Linda Sandoval (Hockeymom for Bush)
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To: Linda Sandoval

This is a fight for the heart and soul of Islam, and Muslims are being asked to take sides. I don't know what He holds in store for them, but I can figure out what the combined military might of the nations of the West do.

If there are to be any conversions, we may be going about it wrong.

http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/content/opinion/2001/11_30_2001/ed301101do.shtml


146 posted on 09/06/2004 5:56:05 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Linda Sandoval
Sandoval.

My favorite trumpet player, and from my home town no less!

147 posted on 09/06/2004 5:57:33 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Yes, it was an attempt at hard-nosed humor and not at serious theology.

I've never thought of ann as a theologian....nor as a nun. :>)


148 posted on 09/06/2004 6:18:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Nutty, but not too sweet, with just a hint of Pine Sol. 8~)


149 posted on 09/07/2004 12:44:19 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: jolie560

Yep, this is their absolutely last chance to take the right moral stand.


150 posted on 09/07/2004 12:46:15 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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