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52 Hours of Horror and Death for Captives at Russian School (Hostages speak)
NY Times ^ | 9/5/04 | C. J. CHIVERS

Posted on 09/04/2004 2:08:00 PM PDT by jimbo123

BESLAN, Russia, Sept. 4 - Long before the first bombs exploded in Middle School No. 1, marking the beginning of a ferocious battle that left hundreds of schoolchildren and their parents and teachers dead, the hostages had descended to near despair.

"At first I thought it was a joke," said one survivor, Emma Gagiyeva, 13, who sat numbly on a couch on Saturday, as the death toll climbed relentlessly, to 330, with many children still missing. "Then they started to shoot the windows, and glass fell on the people. They were shooting above our heads and they killed a few people, and I knew it was real."

She and other survivors and their families began to give a coherent account of the 52 hours of killings and captivity at the hands of masked gunmen that erupted in a catastrophic chain of events on Friday, when two large explosions set off battles between the captors and Russian forces.

At least 1,200 people had been crammed into the school gymnasium, with no food and little water, and with a frightening network of bombs laced overhead.

Temperatures had become stifling, survivors and their families said Saturday, and some students were so hungry they had taken to eating the wilted bouquets they had carried to school. One boy said he was hoping for a bomb to go off, so the crisis might end. The terrorists teased their child captives, and shot at least one man to demonstrate the penalty for breaking their rules.

Even as Beslan was consumed by agonizing worry and grief, interviews with the survivors told of a moment when the first day of school became the opening of an ordeal.

The day began with an assembly in the schoolyard, with children streaming in with parents and brothers and sisters to open the school year. It was like years past, until the moment when the newly arriving first graders were to be introduced. It had always been a tender moment in years past. This year, people heard shouts, and saw something alarming: a line of masked gunmen advancing through the yard.

"The terrorists ran in yelling, 'Allahu Akhbar,' " said Asamaz Bekoyev, 11, who escaped with his mother and brother and lay in his bed Saturday at his grandmother's house, being treated for cuts and minor burns.

A brief gun battle ensued, as the terrorists overwhelmed the few police officers at the ceremony, who had been caught unaware.

With shouts and threats, the entire school assembly was herded into the gymnasium and told to sit down on the floor. The terrorists knew how to force the group to submit. The captives would soon learn that being told to sit meant just that.

Asamaz's older brother, Azamat, 14, said one of the hostages, an Ossetian man, tried to stand but as he rose to his feet a terrorist shot him in the forehead. The man fell straight to the floor, dead. "I saw this with my eyes," the boy said.

Another man tried to run out the back door to freedom, but a terrorist followed him, calmly sighted him through the rifle and shot him in the back. The man's body was then dragged through the gymnasium by the feet, leaving a long trail of blood.

The cruel rules of the siege were now established: Obey or die.

Details followed: The hostages were allowed to speak only in Russian, so the captors could understand every word. They were told that they must remain in their places. They were told to hand in their cellphones.

"They said, 'If we hear somebody's telephone ringing, 20 people around you will be killed,'" said Serafima Bekoyeva, 44, the mother of the two boys.

An order of business was soon under way. As hundreds of students huddled together, the terrorists gathered about 10 of the adult male hostages and enlisted them to help place bombs throughout the gym.

First they produced their makeshift bombs. Some were large plastic beer bottles packed with explosives, others rectangular, bricklike packets, wrapped tightly in brown tape, the survivors said.

The captors strung rope between the two basketball rims, and hung a line of these explosives overhead. The basketball nets themselves were tied shut, forming mesh baskets, into which more bombs were placed. Other bombs were arrayed along the floor and walls; the hostages estimated 20 in all, strung together with remarkable speed and skill.

The entire assembly was connected by blue and red wires, and at all times one of the terrorists held a small black box with which the bombs could be made to explode. "They told us that one press of a button was enough to detonate everything," Ms. Bekoyeva said.

Another group of hostages, about 10 or 15 boys, were ordered into the adjacent school building, where they served as a labor pool, stacking desks against doors and windows as a barricade for their captors' protection from Russian gunfire or advance.

Through the gymnasium drifted two female suicide bombers, wearing running shoes and black clothes. Black scarves obscured their faces, leaving only a slit for their eyes. Each had an explosive belt. Each was armed the same way: in one hand, a button for self-detonation, and in the other, a pistol.

The terrifying waiting began. Sometimes, the hostages said, they were taunted by both word and deed.

On the first day, they were given buckets of water and cups, but not enough, and people grew parched with thirst. The captors took clothes, soaked them in water and threw them to the crowd, who clutched them and wrung them above their open mouths, drinking the drops.

Emma said she was caring for Regina Sonakoyeva, a 3-year-old girl who kept crying out in thirst. "I held her and kept telling her, 'They will bring some, they will bring some,' " Emma said.

But their cage grew hotter.

One woman asked for water, the hostages said, and a terrorist held a pistol to her head, which she pushed away in indignation. "I cannot even ask for water?" she said. The terrorists then posted one of the women with a suicide bomb belt beside her.

"They said, 'If she says anything more, kill her,' " Azamat said. The woman sat quietly after that.

The rules became crueler still. Ms. Bekoyeva and her sons, and three other survivors, said that after the terrorists grew irritated by the children's continued crying, they pulled two men from the crowd, ordered them to hold their hands behind their heads, and addressed the room.

"They said, 'If you don't stop this noise, we will kill them,' " Emma said.

(One of the men was Batras Tuganov, Emma's uncle, who in the end was not shot because of the noise level, but who has not been found after the battle, and is feared dead.)

People did whatever they could to take care of themselves, shedding clothes to cool down, and tearing apart school textbooks to use as fans. "For two days I was continually waving my arm to fan my children," Ms. Bekoyeva said. "They kept asking for more."

The terrorists also gradually restricted access to the bathroom, first allowing five hostages at a time to use the toilets, then three. With little chance for their turn, the younger children could not hold back and relieved themselves in the crowd's midst. "We had them urinate into bundles of cloth," Emma said.

The air grew steaming hot and foul-smelling with worry, urine and sweat. Eventually the terrorists shot out the top windows, the survivors said, so that a bit of air could move through the enclosed space.

The survivors also noted that their captors seemed to be students of past failures: they carried gas masks, apparently having learned from the fate of the terrorists who seized a theater in Moscow in 2002, and succumbed to a gas attack.

Sometimes the captors simply fired into the gym's ceiling.

Azamat recalled one terrorist, a man with a short beard whom the others called Ali, saying, "Have you ever seen such kind terrorists?"

Azamat and Emma said that a woman offered the hostages all of the town's money, but one of their captors said, "We don't need money. We have come here to die."

As the interactions with their captors deepened, the hostages began to develop a sense of who held their fates. They estimated the terrorists number at 30. With the temperature rising, many of the gunmen removed their masks, displaying thick beards. They spoke Russian and a language the Ossetians said they did not understand, but was probably Chechen.

The hostages said they were unable to tell whether Arabs were among their captors, as the Russian government has asserted, without providing evidence as yet.

One hostage taker spoke of normal life, even as his own fate seemed sealed. "He said he himself had a wife and five children at home," Emma said.

The hostages heard through rumors shared quietly from captive to captive that at least one of the women with the bomb belts detonated herself in the school library on Wednesday.

"After the first day, we did not see the women again," Ms. Bekoyeva said.

The terrorists also spoke of politics, saying that they wanted the release of six Ingush who had been detained after an insurgent raid in June left nearly 100 dead, and that they wanted to extend the war between Russia and its breakaway republic of Chechnya.

They also showed strange signs of fastidiousness, considering their evident determination to die. Several terrorists, three hostages said, carried toothbrushes, razors and toothpaste, tucked beside their ammunition on their camouflage-clad chests.

By late Friday morning, as the temperature soared anew in the crowded gymnasium, the hostages were becoming weaker by the hour. "People were almost losing consciousness," Azamat said. "We had not eaten or had water in almost three days."

Another boy who survived, Atsomaz Ktsoyev, 14, said the hostages were so hungry they ate the floral bouquets they had brought to school for the first day of class. "I never thought in my life I'd be eating flowers," he said.

He added, "It didn't help."

Then came the end, at shortly after 1 p.m. Five or so terrorists had checked on the explosives, the survivors said, and a few minutes later, the hall shook from an unexpected blast.

The first bomb blew out the windows and filled the room with smoke and falling bits of plaster. Some hostages near the broken frames began to pour through them. Dashes for freedom began.

Others who survived dived for shelter, pressing flat. Emma said Azamat fell atop her and his younger brother, trying to cover their bodies and hold them to the gymnasium's floor. "He said to me, 'Don't be afraid,' " she said.

Then came the second blast. Their small group rose through the acrid smell of the detonated explosives, and scrambled out the window, too.

Life and death seemed to have been left to the whims of the seating arrangement. In the densely packed crowd, those nearest the bombs absorbed much of the shrapnel and force, and were killed.

Those away from them, and near the now vanished windows, had a chance.

Emma said she ran wildly, as the terrorists opened fire. A boy who was running with his sister was struck, and the girl stopped to help him. Emma continued on. "I didn't see what happened to them," she said.

Ms. Bekoyeva said she handed six or seven children out the window, as older children scrambled past.

Then she went out herself.

She and her two sons ran to a shed, took shelter in it as the bullets flew by, and then Azamat punched out the back window, and they scrambled through it. After another sprint they came to the Russian police officers and soldiers. Most of them realized they were safe, but all did not. Seeing the police, Emma was confused.

"I got scared and thought they were other terrorists,' she said. "But one embraced me and said, 'Do not be afraid.' "

Asamaz stopped when he reached a covered place near the police, and as the battle raged only a few yards behind them, he snatched fistfuls of grapes from the trellises, and, handing them out to the children with him - the first food they had had in more than two days.

Now lying in bed, he winced as his aunt Zalina Basiyeva put a traditional medicine on his burns.

Outside their window, people clustered in the courtyard, waiting for news. Everything the people of Beslan thought they knew about living, his aunt said, had changed. She rubbed bits of the filament of eggshell onto the boy's blisters and burns, and said the lesson was indelible: "We never knew how happy we were."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cair; cairsilentonchechnya; chechenscum; chechnya; europeancivilwar; islamdeathcult; muslimbeasts; nukechechnya; russian; silenceissupport; silenceofcair; terror; whereiscair
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Islam is a death cult.
1 posted on 09/04/2004 2:08:01 PM PDT by jimbo123
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Being reported that this was a christian school. Russian Ministries' director, Genady Terkun, reporting from outside the school grounds, said that many of the children were very excited about the beginning of school and happy because they had just returned from summer camps supported by Russian Ministies where they learned about Jesus.

Link http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s04090003.htm
2 posted on 09/04/2004 2:12:39 PM PDT by stockpirate ("Kerry, backed by, supported by, lead by, funded by, admired by, COMMUNISTS!" It's about VVAW)
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To: jimbo123

Another must-read article on the terrorists forcing a mother to make a choice between two of her captive children. The muslim monsters made her choose which child should live and who should die.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1206751/posts


3 posted on 09/04/2004 2:14:57 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I heard a news segment on radio this morning that Putin stated, "We have been too soft on terrorism. We must fight them harder." Welcome to the coalition, Vladimir. Is this what you were waiting for?


4 posted on 09/04/2004 2:15:02 PM PDT by KiloLima (Pray for George W. Bush, our Country and our Brave U.S. troops in harm's way...)
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To: jimbo123
The cruel rules of the siege were now established: Obey or die.

The fundmental essence of Islam.

5 posted on 09/04/2004 2:17:38 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: tbpiper

I hope we're all taking the threat to our own schools and children seriously enough. They would do the same to kids in the USA.


6 posted on 09/04/2004 2:21:52 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: jimbo123
Great post jimbo.

BTT.

LBT

-=-=-
7 posted on 09/04/2004 2:28:57 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: FITZ

As my oldest daughter just pointed out to me, God has a special love for children. The Islamist beasts that committed this outrageous sin will have a very special welcome from our Father. If you think that Islam is a religion of peace and does not condone this slaughter, ask yourself why the Islamic world is not consumed by grief and contrition.


8 posted on 09/04/2004 2:29:54 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: jimbo123


9 posted on 09/04/2004 2:32:42 PM PDT by Boxsford
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To: FITZ

Our schools, theaters, etc are sitting ducks FITZ.....


10 posted on 09/04/2004 2:35:05 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: FITZ
Islam is being taught in our schools.
11 posted on 09/04/2004 2:35:10 PM PDT by KiloLima (Pray for George W. Bush, our Country and our Brave U.S. troops in harm's way...)
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Yes,it is.

FWIW.There's a movie,"Toy Soldiers",that's about a private school in the U.S. that's taken over by narco-terrorists.The school has explosives planted all over it and one of the terrorists has a control with him at all times to set off the demolition.

It's just a movie but there are enough similarities in it to what happened in Russia that I've been surprised nobody has mentioned it.

12 posted on 09/04/2004 2:35:12 PM PDT by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first!)
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To: FITZ
And all the more easily because we have disarmed students and teachers alike with our "gun free"zones.

Time to draw a detailed map showing all the "gun free zones" (ie, Federal property, courthouses, etc).

Then we will know where the next AQ targets are located.
13 posted on 09/04/2004 2:37:14 PM PDT by lightman
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To: p. henry

Muslims will be the dominant power in Europe in another 25-30 years. This is a wakeup call to the world.


14 posted on 09/04/2004 2:37:36 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: stockpirate

This is the first I've heard that this was a Christian school.

My blood boils at the media for submerging that fact.


15 posted on 09/04/2004 2:39:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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The terrorists teased their child captives, and shot at least one man to demonstrate the penalty for breaking their rules.

Words cannot describe how I feel reading this . . .

16 posted on 09/04/2004 2:45:13 PM PDT by itsinthebag
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To: FITZ

>I hope we're all taking the threat to our own schools and children seriously enough. They would do the same to kids in the USA.

Perhaps, because of Columbine and the other tragedies that we've faced, we have a leg up on at least making such a tragedy more difficult for terrorists.

I wonder if Russian schools have had guards in the past? Does anyone know?


17 posted on 09/04/2004 2:50:54 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: itsinthebag

It is heartbreaking. Little children going off to school, carrying bouquets, their hearts full of the message of Jesus, newly learned in summer camp...

What comes to mind is Herod's slaughter of the innocents.

God help all these families.


18 posted on 09/04/2004 2:51:07 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: EternalVigilance; FITZ

Have you seen the picture of the bloody child's hand clutching a tiny gold cross?


19 posted on 09/04/2004 2:54:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: itsinthebag

I have no words, either. I just sit here with tears in my eyes reading these threads, praying that Putin will do something.


20 posted on 09/04/2004 2:57:58 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: Travis McGee

I have.

It is one of the most poignant photos I've seen in my life.


21 posted on 09/04/2004 2:58:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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To: Travis McGee

I saw it. But that little hand could just as easily be here in the USA -- if we allowed crosses in the schools.


22 posted on 09/04/2004 3:00:56 PM PDT by FITZ
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The terrorists ran in yelling, 'Allahu Akhbar'

Well there you go. Look God, we're gonna kill some children because you like that.

"We don't need money. We have come here to die."

Well then it wasn't a wasted trip was it? But why did you take all these KIDS WITH YOU?!? Friggin savages. Unreal.

23 posted on 09/04/2004 3:05:20 PM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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To: EternalVigilance
This is the first I've heard that this was a Christian school.

That explains the child's bloody hand holding the little cross --- how sad --- but how typical that our media not only tried to make it seem that some Russian group did this out of a civil strife but also is covering up that Arabs have attacked Christian children in their school.

Maybe our own parochial schools are in more danger than the public ones from this same thing happening here. Muslims (arab muslims) aren't worth keeping around -- not one child's life is worth their love of money that they can make here, they can go back to Saudi.

24 posted on 09/04/2004 3:05:25 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

Some people aren't going to like me saying this right now, but I'm going to say it anyway: The abortionists in this country should inspire the same horror and disgust as people are feeling towards these murderous animals...they're of the same spirit. The end result is identical...mangled, dead little children who have been terrorized and robbed of their right to live life.


25 posted on 09/04/2004 3:11:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT...)
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That's true and I imagine many of the same kind of liberals that don't want pictures showing the truth about aborted children won't want pictures showing the truth about these Christian children murdered by the Muslims.


26 posted on 09/04/2004 3:14:24 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: stockpirate

Being reported that this was a christian school.

Please re-read the article more closely. The article does not report that this is a ''christian school''.

27 posted on 09/04/2004 3:16:46 PM PDT by elli1
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To: jimbo123
"He said he himself had a wife and five children at home,"

Kill them

28 posted on 09/04/2004 3:20:22 PM PDT by Colosis (Formatting Universe, 0.0000000000000004% complete.)
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You are right my mistake. It says there were "At least two local evangelical pastors, brothers Taymuraz Totiev, with five children in the school, and Sergey Totiev, with three children in the school," and then it says...."all the hostages and the families of 50 other Christian children trapped in the school..

So we have 58 christian children and their parents.

So were the other children and parents, Muslums?
29 posted on 09/04/2004 3:25:44 PM PDT by stockpirate ("Kerry, backed by, supported by, lead by, funded by, admired by, COMMUNISTS!" It's about VVAW)
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To: elli1

I have read elsewhere that this was a parochial Christian school. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but this isn't something new...


30 posted on 09/04/2004 3:31:26 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Grandma is beating off the Indians, and they keep on coming...)
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Everyone should read this. These are the types of barbarious murders the world has to deal with.

Two points stand out:

First, their captors seemed to be students of past failures: they carried gas masks, apparently having learned from the fate of the terrorists who seized a theater in Moscow in 2002, and succumbed to a gas attack.

They learn from past failures.

Second, one of their captors said, "We don't need money. We have come here to die."

How do you negotiate with that? How do you appease that? "We have come here to die" and they want to kill as many as they can before they die.
31 posted on 09/04/2004 3:51:33 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: jimbo123

This is taken by the NY slimes almost verbatim from a Russian article. NY slimes are plagerizing 8astards.


32 posted on 09/04/2004 3:52:50 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: EternalVigilance

Inded it was powerful.

And when I saw the picture of the beast that planned the attack, I have never wanted so much to kill someone ever before.


33 posted on 09/04/2004 3:57:16 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: jimbo123; diotima; joanie-f; feinswinesuksass; dead; cake_crumb; jmstein7; Cboldt; Bob J; Mo1; ...
The terrorists teased their child captives, and shot at least one man to demonstrate the penalty for breaking their rules.
Teased.
 
Teased?!!
 
It's official... you have to be out of your f..king mind to work at the New York Times.
 
 
</Tourette's>

34 posted on 09/04/2004 4:40:36 PM PDT by AnnaZ (John Kerry is a social clymer.)
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To: Happy2BMe; glock rocks; farmfriend; Pete-R-Bilt; JustPiper; TexasCowboy; river rat; Travis McGee; ..

>>A brief gun battle ensued, as the terrorists overwhelmed the few police officers at the ceremony, who had been caught unaware.<<

Safety education time is here. educate the family now!

We have disarmed students and teachers with our "gun free"zones.

Time to draw a detailed map showing all the "gun free zones" (ie, Federal property, courthouses, etc).

We already know where the next AQ targets are located here in America.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 4:56:46 PM PDT by B4Ranch (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality - Ayn Rand)
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I wonder if the Liberal Media will show as much outrage toward this and cover it as extensivly as the Abu Ghraib prison "scandal".


36 posted on 09/04/2004 5:09:48 PM PDT by Fire137
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Later down on the thread, there is a report where the daughter, Anna, was reported alive and safe at home.

Only evil (censored) monsters would make a mother choose between her children.

37 posted on 09/04/2004 5:24:44 PM PDT by Maigrey (Kerry: Up-the-Mekong-without-a-paddle... - Mark Steyn)
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To: AnnaZ

If I hear them refered to as "rebels" one more time...


38 posted on 09/04/2004 6:16:36 PM PDT by HangFire (Imagine a world with no hypothetical situations.)
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We already know where the next AQ targets are located here in America

???


39 posted on 09/04/2004 9:35:36 PM PDT by JustPiper (Zell " We are LIBERATOR'S NOT Obstructionists!!!" Miller- OCCUPY THIS KERRY !!!)
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To: JustPiper

all the "gun free zones" (ie, Federal, State, City property, courthouses, etc)will be ideal targets.

Why attack somewhere that could be heavily armed with the civilians carrying concealed weapons?


40 posted on 09/04/2004 9:44:32 PM PDT by B4Ranch (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality - Ayn Rand)
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To: B4Ranch; JustPiper; dbwz; Fun Bob; Freemeorkillme

We already know where the next AQ targets are located here in America.>>

Sure do.

Hey soccer moms, aren't most schools in the USA GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES??

You know what they say, CRIMINALS JUST LOVE GUN CONTROL, IT MAKES THEIR JOB MUCH EASIER.


41 posted on 09/04/2004 9:54:14 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: B4Ranch; MamaDearest; Labyrinthos; drymans wife; nwctwx; Quix; DAVEY CROCKETT; texasbluebell; ...
all the "gun free zones" (ie, Federal, State, City property, courthouses, etc)will be ideal targets.
Why attack somewhere that could be heavily armed with the civilians carrying concealed weapons?

Sometimes it takes walking away from an issue one is innudated with, such as months of the WOT and step away, step back, and see Ranch's opinion on targets!

Thanks friend!

42 posted on 09/04/2004 11:51:26 PM PDT by JustPiper (Zell " We are LIBERATOR'S NOT Obstructionists!!!" Miller- OCCUPY THIS KERRY !!!)
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To: JustPiper; glock rocks; Happy2BMe
To further understand the hazards of the gun free zone.
Think about what time of day you are visiting one. I prefer first thing in the morning for ease of business but later in the day is the safest time.

Is this day a particular day when the terrorists might gain some 'respect' amongst the Islamics, ie. one of our holidays or one of theirs. Is the crowd going to be more than normal? Will a Senator be there or someone else who is a 'target'?

If so, don't go. Wait until the hazardous days have passed.

When you are in the building:
Take a look at the people who are there with you? Is there a small group that gives you reason for worry? If so get out! Tell the security guards what you are thinking.

In schools, talk with your children about what they would do if they heard a gunshot in the building.

This is my advice, nothing that has been approved by any authority!

Tell them to forget what the teacher is saying and get out the closest window as fast as possible. Stay quiet! No talking whatsoever! Do not run across open ground to get to the parking area if it is more than 20 feet to the parked vehicles because someone could be on the roof ready to shoot them.

Then run along the wall to a corner of the building. This gives them the choice of what 'side' of the building they think is safest. Two steps and they are on the safer side.

Now look for shadows on the ground from humans on the roof. Take a breather. Observe what is going on around them. Are they as far as possible away from the direction they think the shot came from? Yes, then lay down amd be quiet.

If they do see some group they think could be attacking the building, either run away from them using the building as a protection shield or lay down and pretend to be DEAD.

When the group is inside the building, BE QUIET and pretend to be DEAD. Let the cops tell them when it is safe to run away from the building.

Again !! This is my advice, nothing that has been approved by any authority!

I just don't like the idea of being inside the building because that is where the attackers want to be.

If they are in a mall or a Wal-Mart or some other big store where there is lots of people and shooting starts inside the building, the same advice holds true. Look for a door with a FIRE sign above it and go out that door. The crowd is going to use th exite same door they came in. Bad move unless you can get to the door before the crowd can.

Once they are outside do a quick ground scan for the roof shadows and head for the dumpster or a big truck. Somewhere where they can sit down and take a breather to determine what to do next.

Once more!! This is my advice, nothing that has been approved by any authority!

While pretending to be DEAD remind your kids that corpses do not swat flies, talk or change positions. They are silent and do not move. Sure it's uncomfortable to have four flies walking around on your face but a bullet hole in your chest is not uncomfortable, it hurts like hell and you will die from it!

The trick to staying alive is staying aware of what's happening around you. Just like driving a car at 65 mph.

So, just because they have made it away from the building where they heard the shooting doesn't mean the next building is safe to enter.

Look for cops with cop cars. Cops that look worried and hiding behind their own car for protection. Those guys are our cops not someone wearing a stolen uniform.

Once more!! This is my advice, nothing that has been approved by any authority!

If sleeping in a dumpster is the best choice they have when nighfall comes. DO IT! You are still alive and nobody is shooting at you, so stay there for the next 4, 6, 12 or 24 hours.

Stay aware and stay alive.

43 posted on 09/05/2004 1:20:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality - Ayn Rand)
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To: stockpirate

So were the other children and parents, Muslums?

From what I've read, the area is predominantly Orthodox, i.e., Christian--almost certainly why that area was targeted. Reportedly, two other schools in Beslan were cased by the terrorists. But I would not assume that all the students/ families were either/ or Muslim/ Christian. Entirely possible that some of the victims were ''none of the above''.

44 posted on 09/05/2004 5:47:07 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Judith Anne

I have read elsewhere that this was a parochial Christian school.

I've not read that nor does Google turn up anything. Do you recall where you read it? What I have read is that the terrorists cased out two other schools in Beslan & that Putin has announced that the school will be razed and a new school will be built in a new location. Also, the school is referred to as ''Middle School One'' which sounds very much more like a public school than a parochial Christian school.

45 posted on 09/05/2004 6:00:53 AM PDT by elli1
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To: jimbo123
Islam is a death cult.

No. A murder cult.

46 posted on 09/05/2004 6:13:07 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ - read the truth about John Kerry!)
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To: jimbo123
three hostages said, carried toothbrushes, razors and toothpaste, tucked beside their ammunition on their camouflage-clad chests.

Ah, personal hygiene is important when you're on a mission to kill children.

47 posted on 09/05/2004 6:25:10 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

Islam is about self and nothing else. So personal hygene is appropriate when your waiting to get your virgins.


48 posted on 09/05/2004 8:04:35 AM PDT by highpockets
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To: B4Ranch; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; Salem; Sanch; ...
In reaction to the "Messengers of Allah" killing over 150 school children in Russia, B4Ranch advises American School Children in how to survive an Islamic Attack . . .

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"Tell them to forget what the teacher is saying and get out the closest window as fast as possible. Stay quiet! No talking whatsoever! Do not run across open ground to get to the parking area if it is more than 20 feet to the parked vehicles because someone could be on the roof ready to shoot them.

Then run along the wall to a corner of the building. This gives them the choice of what 'side' of the building they think is safest. Two steps and they are on the safer side.

Now look for shadows on the ground from humans on the roof. Take a breather. Observe what is going on around them. Are they as far as possible away from the direction they think the shot came from? Yes, then lay down and be quiet.

If they do see some group they think could be attacking the building, either run away from them using the building as a protection shield or lay down and pretend to be DEAD."

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Is this a "tin foil" or "the sky is falling" panic?

Why don't we ask the children of Beslan . .

Whoever thought they would see the day in America we would be having THIS conversation? - ping.

HINT: If they did it in Beslan, they'll do it in Detroit.

Cleric supports targeting children

Boy who begged for water was bayoneted

49 posted on 09/05/2004 9:47:59 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Jihad - coming to a school near you.)
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To: Happy2BMe; B4Ranch

50 posted on 09/05/2004 9:59:49 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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