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Muslim leaders condemn killers
The Observer ^ | 9/5/04 | David Smith

Posted on 09/05/2004 1:56:12 AM PDT by freedom44

Islamic leaders in the Middle East yesterday denounced the slaughter of children in Russia as 'unIslamic', as commentators asked unusually soul-searching questions about the region and terrorism.

Even the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest Islamic group, condemned the bloody siege in Beslan. Its leader, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, said that kidnappings may be justified but killings are not. He added: 'What happened is not jihad [holy war] because Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away.'

While some Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East have long supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, such was the barbarity of the hostage takers that few voices spoke in support of the actions in Ossetia. Egypt's leading Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon: 'What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government? You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims.'

Ali Abdullah, an Islamic scholar in Bahrain who follows the ultra-conservative Salafi stream of Islam, also condemned the school attack as 'unIslamic'. However, he insisted Muslims were not involved and revived an old conspiracy theory: 'I have no doubt that this is the work of the Israelis, who want to tarnish the image of Muslims.'

But the reaction was overwhelmingly filled with revulsion. Abdulrahman al-Rashed wrote an article in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper under the headline: 'The Painful Truth: All World Terrorists are Muslims!'

Al-Rashed said that Muslims will not be able to cleanse their image unless 'we admit the scandalous facts... Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture. The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.'

His extraordinary critique was echoed by Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist. Writing in the pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram , he said hostage-takers in Russia and Iraq are only harming Islam. 'If all the enemies of Islam united and decided to harm it... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations and misunderstanding.' Horrifying images of the dead and wounded students 'showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families'.


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1 posted on 09/05/2004 1:56:12 AM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44; SJackson
'I have no doubt that this is the work of the Israelis, who want to tarnish the image of Muslims.'

This always just kills me! They are delusional!!! This is what they told me here about 9-11.

2 posted on 09/05/2004 1:59:11 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

I wonder which country in the world is going to be the first to proscribe Islam in it's entirity, close every Mosque and order every Muslim to either convert to a different religion or leave.

It may not happen soon, but you can bet that it is going to happen someday.

Islam is simply incompatible with western civilization.


3 posted on 09/05/2004 2:02:13 AM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: freedom44

"However, he insisted Muslims were not involved"

What say you?

I'm sorry this is a black eye to Islam, but until the Islamic leaders realise this, hatred towards any muslim will continue.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 2:03:33 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Ronin
Wahabi has been outlawed in Russia, recently, and several books are forbidden to be in the country. But I doubt they patrol the mosques and check the bookshelves.

Greece doesn't allow mosques to be registered officially, which means they get no tax cuts and no recognition as a religious organization. Kind of funny, like reverse Dhimmi.

5 posted on 09/05/2004 2:06:05 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Ronin

>I wonder which country in the world is going to be the first to proscribe Islam in it's entirity, close every Mosque and order every Muslim to either convert to a different religion or leave.

I'd venture to guess it would Nepal.

Maybe we all should emigrate there...


6 posted on 09/05/2004 2:08:51 AM PDT by bgarid
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To: freedom44
'What happened is not jihad [holy war] because Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away.'

Bull-shiite!

7 posted on 09/05/2004 2:10:28 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit
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To: freedom44

The question remains: are Muslims human?


8 posted on 09/05/2004 2:10:46 AM PDT by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: bgarid

I was thinking Nepal too. There's not many Muslims there anyhow.

Actually, however, should a 9/11 type event happen here in Japan, Tokyo might be the first. Japanese xenophobia is never very far from the surface.


9 posted on 09/05/2004 2:20:31 AM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: freedom44

This kind of headline and story is all too familiar: Muslim "leaders" condemn an atrocity by Muslim terrorists, yet another atrocity soon follows. Islam is pathologically ill, and most of its supposed leaders are accomplices to its evils.


10 posted on 09/05/2004 2:22:46 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: freedom44; cyborg; MarMema; RussianConservative; wardaddy; VaBthang4; PsyOp; Poohbah; Jeff Head; ...
Those concerned should know this. Nazi Germany experienced firsthand the consequences of having the US coming from one direction, and the Russians from the other. Hitler killed himself in some desolate bunker ....by biting on a cynaide capsule, and then shooting himself in the head. Germany was literally torn asunder.

Once again some enemy strives to have both the Bear and the Eagle rise up as one. Once again the enemy shall experience the pain and terror of scorched earth and bitter waters. Once again the blood of the damned shall run lose and free, in rivulets and rivers, all along the gulleys and ditches of those desolate lands where evil once spawned and thrived. And once again the American and the Russian shall part ways, at the epicenter of the land of their vanquished, and know that that enemy shall never rise again as before. Just as the Nazi never rose again as before.

Islam pokes a stick at powers that in ancient time would be considered incarnations of Valhalla and Avalon, and whenever the need arises even the fires of Hades cannot match the fiery anger of these nations aroused.

And there shall be a response so great that evil shall be quiet for many a night, and the evil doers shall quake in their sleep and moan in their slumber. The very earth shall turn to molten magma, and the air shall shimmer like the sun. Their waters shall be called wormwood, and their young the forgotten. Their women the barren, and their men the unclean!

And they shall tear at their eyes in a bid to relieve the pain therein.

And the evil doer shall meet their father below.

And not even their bones shall be consecrated, for not even the animals of the earth shall roam that accursed land. The land where not even the thistle nor the weed can grow.

And for a time peace shall prevail.

11 posted on 09/05/2004 2:27:25 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: Ronin

"I wonder which country in the world is going to be the first to proscribe Islam in it's entirity, close every Mosque and order every Muslim to either convert to a different religion or leave."

Good question. The Germans already won't let "Scientologists" be in their gov't. The French might ban all religions, I imagine. I'd also think the Italians might not hesitate to follow your course.

I have often thought that we might need to ammend the Constitution to ban Islam.

It is a pity, for my whole life, for 40 years, I thought nothing of Islam. "Will the mountain come to Mohammed (Allah's prophet)?" That was all I knew of Islam. Now, for the past three years I must think about it all the time, and wonder if we need to ammend our constitution to forbid it.

It seems to be penetrating some of the thick skulls that they are doing the wrong thing. Islam will either reform, or be destroyed. That much at least seems plain.


12 posted on 09/05/2004 2:29:43 AM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: jocon307

I have often thought that we might need to ammend the Constitution to ban Islam.


What a radical dangerous anti-Constitutionalist you're.


13 posted on 09/05/2004 2:31:39 AM PDT by freedom44
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To: spetznaz
I look for a time where Russia is a true ally of the US. It is not going to be soon. Russia had a big part in keeping the Hussein regime in power.

I doubt this will be the catharsis.
14 posted on 09/05/2004 2:33:22 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: freedom44
Muslim leaders condemn killers after they supported them... hmmm doesn't that sound like KERRY.
15 posted on 09/05/2004 2:35:59 AM PDT by A. Morgan (John Kerry...your time is almost up..our President is going to kick your a$$ and make you like it!)
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To: tkathy
The question remains: are Muslims human?

Of course they're human. They're mentally ill with a sickness called islam.

These islamist terrorists have no souls, no conscience, no respect whatsoever for human life.

This is no new news...they have been targeting civilians for as long as I can remember. But this time these scumbags deliberately targeted INNOCENT CHILDREN for their terror.

I hope that this terrible event will be a turning point for Russia in the war on islamic terrorism. I think it will be.

16 posted on 09/05/2004 2:38:08 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit
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To: tkathy
are Muslims human?

Hmmm, can they be used for stem cell research?

probably not

17 posted on 09/05/2004 2:51:04 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Remember: Benedict Arnold was a "war hero," too.)
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To: freedom44
Muslim leaders condemn killers

Well, of course they do. If these guys have half a brain, they know that things just took a turn for the worst for the Mohammedans. Not only has this heinous act highlighted for the world the savagery of Islam, but I'm sure these guys are aware that the Russians do not generally show nearly the same restraint as Americans. There will be hell to pay for this.
18 posted on 09/05/2004 2:59:59 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: freedom44
Muslim leaders condemn killers

I'll start paying attention when they "condemn" them to death. And actually carry out the sentences.

19 posted on 09/05/2004 3:41:15 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: freedom44
Muslim leaders condemn killers

I'll start paying attention when they "condemn" them to death. And actually carry out the sentences.

20 posted on 09/05/2004 3:42:30 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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