[Keen-Minded]

A friend forwarded this message to me and I found it very interesting in light of John Kerry making his service record the center piece of his campaign. So..I'm passing it along for your information. I haven't seen the letter posted before and apologize in advance if it was posted previously.

[EggsAckley]

BUMP!

[tomnbeverly]

Is there any statue of limitations on bringing Kerry up on charges of sedition?

[Rocky]

It has been posted, and several Freepers responded, saying that it is a red herring. Apparently, Vietnam veterans were not really expected to report for reserve duty. It would not have set well with them to have to stand in formations with, and take orders from, people who hadn't gone, and might not have to go.

Their advice was to drop this line of accusation.

[Taxbilly]

mark4later

[sissyjane]

We know this, however the press does not care or do not know.

It doesn't matter if this information is true if it is buried where the majority of voters will never learn of it.

How can this man be the leader of our country??

[kabar]

Kerry's Reserve status -- Kerry's release from active duty orders state that he was transferred into the Inactive Reserves and was not obligated to attend any drills. His only obligation was to keep the Navy informed of his whereabouts since he was subject to recall. On 1 July 1972 Kerry was transferred into the Standby Reserve (Inactive) and then received his Honorable Discharge in 16 Feb 1978. The Navy's 24 May 1986 letter to Kerry gives a good synopsis of Kerry's service.

I can recall a similar timeframe for my naval career. I had served almost eight years, but it was years later until I was finally discharged. I had a regular commission, but I was transferred into the Naval Reserves (inactive) and then Standby Reserves. I can recall that I was sent some sort of letter asking me if I wished to continue my service in the Standby Reserves. In any event, I wouldn't make too much of Kerry's status as he moved through the Reserve process.

There are several issues that need to be raised relative to Kerry's Reserve status. Kerry met with the Vietnamese Communists in Paris, per his sworn testimony before the Senate, while still being a member of the Naval Reserves subject to recall. He returned and advocated acceptance of the Communists' negotiating points. Kerry also participated in the VVAW as a national officer and was involved in the infamous Kansas City meeting where discussions were held about assassinating USG officials. The question is whether Kerry was violating the UCMJ or federal statute by being involved in these activities while still serving in the Reserves and being subject to recall.

What I found curious on Kerry's initial website many months ago was the fact that he listed his military service as 1966-1970-Active Duty and 1972-78-Reserves. He conveniently left a gap between 1970-72, which I can only believe was done intentionally so as not to raise questions. Currently, his service timeline no longer includes his reserve service. Curiously, it ends with the following: April 29, 1970 Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service. John Kerry for President - John Kerry's Vietnam Service Timeline

I have no idea what listed as a Registrant means because Kerry remained a member of the inactive Reserves until he was transferred into the Standby Reserves on July 1, 1972. This could be a smokescreen to inoculate Kerry from charges that he was giving aid and comfort to the enemy while still being a member of the Reserves. We definitely need more information on this one.

[stockpirate]

Much more serious is the actions of Kerry and the VVAW which he was a national leader. Here are but a couple:

The records actually indicate that Kerry was with the VVAw long after he stated he had resigned. And while he was still a member/leader there were several plots that werre "Terrorist" in there very nature. Consider the following fromm the FBI files:

1. VVAW receiving funds from Communist Party USA. Nov. 1971 VVAW Meeting pg 194

2. VVAW taking directions from the North Vietnamese Communist Government. Directions from NV Communists

3. The FBI indicate that the VVAW has started increasing demonstrations “to protest escalation of bombing of North Vietnam,” VVAW demonstrations against bombing, pg 162

[MistyCA]

My question is this. The email states that Kerry got his discharge in 2001, but on his website there is an honorable discharge issued in 1978. February 16.

I find it interesting the the Presidential Unit Citation was on the DD215 from 2000 and wonder when it was actually awarded. There are too many documents missing from Kerry's record. He is obviously hiding a lot of stuff.

[edfrank_1998]

I guess it is time to get my feet wet (lurked around here long enough).

found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Service_Record.pdf

This is the Enclosure (1) to some document that was dated January 25, 1985. It was written by LCDR D. W. Meyers, Office of Legal Counsel, Naval Military Personnel Command. It shows dates of different events.

Here's an excerpt from the .pdf file:

D.O.R as LT, USNR 1 January 1970
Release from ACDU/
Trf to Naval Reserve 3 January 1970
Trf to Standby Reserve - Inactive 1 July 1972
Discharged for U.S. Naval Reserve 16 February 1978

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found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Request_For_History_of_Service.pdf

This is a letter dated 24 May 1986. This is almost a year and a half after the previous document.

Here's an excerpt of the .pdf file:

"Senator Kerry:

Your request of the 9th of May concerning documentation of your
Naval Service has been forwarded by the National Personnel
Records Center to this office for reply.

The follow (sic) statement of Naval Service accurately reflects the
documentation in your Naval Personnel Record:

..snip..

1 Jan 1970 Date of Rank as Lieutenant (O-3), United
States Naval Reserve

3 Jan 1970 Released from Active Duty, transferred to
the Naval Reserve (inactive)

1 Jul 1972 Transferred to the Standby Reserve (inactive)

16 Feb 1978 Honorably Discharged from the United States
Naval Reserve as a Lieutenant (O-3)

If additional copies of information is (sic) required from your
official Naval Records, please feel free to contact this office
or the National Personnel Records Center directly."

This letter is from the Naval Military Personnel Command Liaison Office of the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.

Note the difference on 3 Jan 1970 between the two. The second letter includes (inactive).

The second letter is not signed by R. J. Schultz, LCDR who is apparently the author. That is extremely odd. Things get signatures in the military in order to become official.

The first was an enclosure to something. Was it a reply to a request from the Senator to document his naval service? If so, why from the Office of Legal Counsel of Naval Military Personnel Command? That's an odd place to get that sort of information. Did Kerry wait over a year before going fishing to get someone to write what he wanted?

We'll never see him sign an SF 180. There are too many oddities in what he has already released.



Going back to that first listing of Kerry's dates done by the Office of
Legal Counsel, Naval Military Personnel Command. The Naval Military
Personnel Command's name was changed back to Bureau of Personnel (BUPERS) in
1991. They are now located in Millington, Tennessee.

BUPERS maintains a detachment in Washington with a specific liaison mission.

found at:
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/Instructions/545052.htm

..snip..

2
BUPERSINST 5450.52
28 Sep 99

Mission and Functions of the
Bureau of Naval Personnel (BUPERS) Washington Liaison
Detachment

MISSION. Acts as liaison between the Chief of Naval Personnel (CHNAVPERS)
and Bureau of Naval Personnel (BUPERS) departmental leadership
geographically located in Millington, Tennessee. Provides ready and
real-time staff support and advice to the Chief of Naval Personnel, as the
senior advisor to the Chief of Naval Operations for personnel matters.

FUNCTIONS.

..snip..

2. Advises CHNAVPERS and makes recommendations on legal matters.
Initiates, develops and evaluates proposed and enacted legislation for the
overall administration of Navy personnel. Monitors litigation against the
Navy involving personnel matters. Coordinates legal matters with Judge
Advocate General (JAG) and other offices.

..snip..

---

I don't know when BUPERS moved from Washington to Tennessee. BUPERS' legal
department would advise CHNAVPERS, though, no matter where they were
located.

It would make sense that the enclosure written in 1985 was part of a letter
going back to the Chief of Naval Personnel via the Washinton Liaison (or directly if that was before the Tennessee move).

The key question is, of course, is what caused the main letter to be written.
This is a real short line running from the Office of Legal Counsel, to the Chief of Naval
Personnel, to the Chief of Naval Operations (who is the guy in charge of the
Navy). That enclosure appears to be something within the description of
function 2. And that sure doesn't look like a routine personnel query (when
the Office of Legal Counsel has to answer).

[Shellback Chuck]

Has anyone ever seen an SPN in any of his paperwork?

[A.A. Cunningham]

The search engine works.

Kerry Service Record; Subject: Hanoi John's Military Service

[Bob from De]

This is straight out of Unfit For Command.

[JOE43270]

Hanoi john is UNFIT for COMMAND or being the President of the U. S. of America.

[sonofatpatcher2]

Well, eFing may have problems closer to home...

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[Seadog Bytes]

This HAS to catch up with him EVENTUALLY ...DOESN'T IT???!!!
...but WHY is it taking so LONG...???!!!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

U.S. Constitution Amendment XIV

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States,

shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html


John F. Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Bye Bye Kerry!!!!

[writer33]

BTTT! Time to release those records like President Bush, John boy!

[bray]

If they can call W AWOL then let's Bring it On!

Pray for W and Our Troops

[The Bandit]

Who decides Kerry gave aid and comfort? A court?

[RaceBannon]

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves

Does this explain the 1978 discharge?

1966 + 6 years active + 5 years BNaval reserve + 1 year inactive reserve = 1978