Skip to comments.The Religion of peace a few items of interest
Posted on 09/05/2004 3:30:45 PM PDT by Fast1
Note the percentages above. They aren't entirely stupid. Their pattern has been much the same in the last couple of centuries...
1) Infiltrate the culture...but don't assimilate
2) Decry religious intolerance (the U.S. is in this stage)
3) When they have a large enough population, governments are influenced. Armed confrontations begin.
4) When they have a plurality, they institute Muslim law or violent overthrow begins (whichever is easier).
5) If they couldn't institute Muslim law in step 4, they eventually get around to it. At this point, they oppress the religious and ethnic minorities.
Look around the world and see if this pattern isn't repeated...
Europe: Bosnia - Muslims vs. Slavs Albania/Kosovo - Muslims vs. Slavs FYRoM - Muslims vs. Slavs/Greeks Cyprus - Muslims vs. Greeks
Africa: Algeria - Muslims vs. secular democracy Sudan - Muslims vs. Christians Egypt - Muslims vs. Christians Eritrea/Ethiopia - Muslims vs. ?
Middle East and environs: Armenia/Azerbijan - Muslims vs. Christians Iraq - Muslims vs. Kurds Iraq - Sunni Muslims vs. Shia Muslims Iraq - Muslims vs. USA Israel - Muslims vs. Jews Lebanon - Muslims vs. Christians/Druze Iran - Muslims vs. secular democrats
Asia: Pakistan - Muslims vs. Christians/Hindus India - Muslims vs. Hindus Afghanistan - Muslims vs. Muslims Afghanistan - Muslims vs. USA China - Muslims vs. Communists Russia - Muslims vs. Slavs Georgia - Muslims vs. Slavs Phillipines - Muslims vs. secular democracy Indonesia - Muslims vs. secular 'democracy'/militarists Uzbekistan - Muslims vs. fascists
Afghanistan 18M 99% 2 Albania 2.3M 75% 3 Algeria 22M 98% 4 Bahrain .220M 99% 5 Bangladesh 100M 85% 6 Cameroon 6.2M 55% 7 Central African Republic 2M 55% 8 Chad 4M 85% 9 Dahomey 3M 60% 10 Egypt 51M 93% 11 Ethiopia 27M 65% 12 Gambia .4M 85% 13 Guinea 4.3M 95% 14 Guinea-Bissau .81M 70% 15 Indonesia 161M 95% 16 Iran 48M 98% 17 Iraq 14.5M 95% 18 Ivory Coast 5M 55% 19 Jordan 3M 95% 20 Kuwait 1M 98% 21 Lebanon 3M 57% 22 Libya 3M 100% 23 Malaysia 14.5M 52% 24 Maldive Islands 12M 100% 25 Mali 6M 90% 26 Mauritania 2M 100% 27 Morocco 24M 99% 28 Niger 4.5M 91% 29 Nigeria 100M 75% 30 Oman .75M 100% 31 Pakistan 90M 97% 32 Qatar .18M 100% 33 Saudi Arabia 10.5M 100 34 Senegal 7M 95% 35 Sierra Leone 3M 65% 36 Somalia 5M 100% 37 South Yemen 1.5M 95% 38 Sudan 22M 85% 39 Syria 11M 87% 40 Tanzania 15M 65% 41 Togo 2.1M 55% 42 Tunisia 7M 95% 43 Turkey 66M 99% 44 U.A.E .32M 100% 45 Upper Volta 6M 56% 46 North Yemen 6M 99%
Here are the countries with a Muslim minority. In practically everyone, the Muslims are spreading fear and hate and killing of non-Muslims..
Country Name Muslims % of total population Angola 1.5M 25% Argentina .5M 2% Australia .13M 1% Bhutan .05M 5% Botswana .03M 5% Brazil .21M .2% Bulgaria 1.3M 14% Burma 3M 10% Burundi .7M 20% Cambodia .07M 1% Canada .1M .5% China 100M 11% Congo .15M 15% Cyprus .21M 33% Equatorial Guinea .07M 25% Fiji .06M 11% France 2M 3.80% Germany 1.5M 2.40% Ghana 3M 30% Gibraltar .003M 10% Greece .27M 3% Hong Kong .004M 1% Guyana .01M 15% India 100M 12% Italy .55M 1% Japan .01M 1.00% Kenya 4M 29.50% Liberia .5M 30% Lesotho .12M 10% Malagasy Republic 1.4M 20% Malawi 1.7M 35% Malta .045M 14% Mauritius .14M 19.50% Mozambique 2.2M 29% Namibia .034M 5% Nepal .5M 4% Netherlands .2M 1.50% Panama .05M 4% Philippines 5M 12% Portuguese Timor .012M 20% Reunion .09M 20% Rumania .2M 20% Zimbabwe 1M 15% South Africa .5M 2% Sri Lanka 1.2M 9% Surinam .1M 25% Swaziland .046M 10% Thailand 6M 14% Trinidad & Tobago .127M 12% Uganda 4M 36% U.K 1.5M 2.70% U.S.S.R (Russia) 60M 20% U.S.A 3.2M 1.50% Yugoslavia 5M 20% Zaire 2.4M 10% Zambia .7M 15% I may be wrong, but I doubt it. The religion of peace is very consistent.
Im hoping Beslan opened a few eyes..
Quran 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Bukhari:V4B52N50The Prophet said, A single endeavor of fighting in Allahs Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.
Quran 9:112 The Believers fight in Allahs Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.
Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.
Quran 8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Quran 8:39So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).
DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MUSLUM RELIGION IS PEACEFUL, THAT IS HYPE. MUSLUMS WANT TO KILL US, PERIOD!
I've noticed how they use the very liberty and democracy they want to destroy,to achieve their goals. It puts the host country in a very difficult position and they know it. Our numerous fifth column of sympathisers doesn't help matters.
I despise them for them their stupidity only somewhat less than the parasitical murderers they support.
That is some scary Sh*t.... gives me goosebumps just reading it.
I cannot imagine it not doing so. Regardless of culture, torturing and raping children before killing them is tabu.
Unless someone belongs to a religion whose prophet was a child molester, I suppose.
Sorry, my posts are angry and mis-typed today. For some reason. Today feels as bad in its way as 9-11, and on that day I ONLY felt like buying a koran, burning it, and pissing on the ashes.
Yeah the Muzzle MO is pretty obvious. It's that little Dar al-harb, Dar al-Islam thingy. Kinda tuff to have much fun when you got all those infidels runnin around not enslaved or payin a poll tax.
Their little love fest in Britain coming up on 9-11 pretty much says it all. These guys want it all.
I feel the same way. It is almost like I am in some kind of shock.
That;s a tough one our children will have to deal with. It is unfortunate that our forefathers did not see A aggressive all controlling religion such as Islam and provide the necessary safeguards.Is there an Islamic democracy flourishing somewhere???
Take a look at the percentages.
> 2) Decry religious intolerance (the U.S. is in this stage)
Call them on it.
If they won't condemn the terrorism,
if they won't condemn the perps that brought
the "religious intolerance" upon them, then
they have zero grounds for complaint about
I'm shocked that Nigeria is at 75%, I thought that was now predominantly a Christian country. That 1.5% in the US needs to be stopped right there.
Ethiopia would be Orthodox Christians vs. Muslims, Iran would be Muslims vs. Zoroastrians and Ba'Hais, and Sudan would include animists, as well as Christians.
Islam divides the world into two sections (not strictly halves, but rather realms, or "houses"): the "Dar al Harb," the "House of War," meaning the non-Muslim areas of the world. "War" refers to the military campaign of jihad intended to conquer that section of the world, and bring it under Islamic, and hence, Arab, domination.
The other section is the "Dar al Islam," or "House of Islam." Contrary to what we have been fed by the MSM, "Islam" does NOT mean "peace." That word is "salaam." "Islam" means "submission," either to Allah (the moon god of Mahomet's Quraysh tribe), or to being conquered and controlled by Muslims.
Those conquered people who do not accept Islam are considered "Dhimmi," which means "Protected." This is not a reference to those individuals being safe from persecution....rather, they are a second class being roughly akin to Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe during the 1940s, or black Americans under Jim Crow. Dhimmis are compelled to identify themselves by wearing certain clothing items, must walk in the street as opposed to the sidewalk, may neither repair churches and synagogues, nor repair those that become damaged. As well, Dhimmi are required to pay the jizya, the "poll tax", and this is a tax that makes the IRS look absolutely merciful by comparison. In some areas conquered by the Turks and the Arabs, dhimmi families were compelled to surrender a son to the state....and those sons were trained as soldiers of jihad (the Turkish janissaries being the most well known). Think of the jizya as being similar to paying protection money to the Mob. You aren't any safer from crime, just lighter in the wallet, and cowed into submission by a group of thugs.
Islam is NOT peaceful. There is NO SUCH THING as a "moderate" Mohammedan, anymore than there were moderate Nazis, Communists or Klansmen. Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology cloaked in mock religious trappings. Once we as a nation recognize that Muslims are bound to be loyal to Islam before the nation they live in....indeed, Islam IS their nation....we will then have the courage to do what we must do: IDENTIFY, COLLECT, RECORD, AND EXPEL ALL MUSLIMS FROM THE UNITED STATES IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF OUR NATION AND OUR LIBERTIES!
That is no contradiction. As Islam is not a religion, but a totalitarian ideology, it legitimately does not receive protection of the First Amendment. As the adherants of that ideology do not consider themselves Americans before all else, they are not legitimate inhabitants of this nation. Therefore, BY THEIR OWN DEFINITION, Muslims are NOT Americans, and have no status under our law other than that of ENEMY ALIENS IN TIME OF WAR. In short, they should be deported to the majority Muslim country of their choice, and no further Muslims should be permitted to enter the US until such time as hostilities are terminated between Islam and the rest of the world (like that will happen any time soon.....).
Basically, it's past time for our political leadership to either s*it or get off the pot, and do something to provide for the safety of our country, or we should turn them ALL out at the next electoral opportunity, and put in people who aren't too timid to defend the US from this cancer of Islam!
So far I'm hearing mainly silence.
Islam is not a religion, it is a seditious, totalitarian political movement, opposed to the Constitution, hiding under the mantle of a religion.
Thanks for taking the time to post #16. Everything you said is absolutely true no matter how uncomfortable it may make us. As you stated there is no more such a thing as a moderate Mohammedan than there is a moderate Nazi. The items you noted are central to the Islamic political/religious construct.
In Islam there can be no peace until Dar al harb is subsumed by Dar al Islam. Until we recognize this fact we place all we hold dear at great risk.
While you take time making that distinction they are killing you . Wake up.
Read the Koran. Read the Sunnah. Read the Hadiths. Islam hasn't been "hijacked." It is being expressed in THE FORM THAT MOHAMMED PREACHED by the animals who commit these atrocities, such as 9/11, such as the homicide bombings in Israel, such as 3/11 in Spain, and such as the school killings in Russia. Islam is a foul, repugnant cult based upon the ravings of a murdering, thieving child molester, who advocated lying, killing and raping to spread belief in his "religion."
We aren't dealing with another "basically the same as everything else" religion, to paraphrase Rev. Lovejoy from The Simpsons. What we are faced with is the culmination of evil that the rest of the world has fought for centuries to rise above.
When the roll is called of the foulest regimes and ideologies in human history, those blood soaked pages will read, "Karl Marx, Communism! Iosef Stalin, Stalinist Communism! Mao Zedong, Maoist Communism! Pol Pot, Communist cult of personality! Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il, Communist cult of personality! Benito Mussolini, Fascism! Adolf Hitler, Nazism! MOHAMMED, ISLAM! THE FOULEST AND BLOODIEST OF ALL!"
Mark my words. We will be fighting for our very survival RIGHT HERE AT HOME if we don't wake up and grasp that terrorism is a TACTIC, and ISLAM is the ENEMY!
Enjoy your dhimmitude, but please don't take the rest of us along with you. The Crusades were fought as a belated response to jihad, and the Inquisition, as practiced in Spain, was to give back to the Muslims what had been done to Christians for 700 YEARS! Yes, Jews were persecuted in Spain, but (Mel Brooks' version of the Inquisition aside), it was because many Spanish Jews had served the Moors, NOT to force them to convert to Christianity. The Inquisition in the rest of Europe was to handle matters of canon law, again contrary to popular misperceptions.
By your mis-characterization of Christian response to jihad, I can only conclude that either your education was sorely sub-standard, or you are willingly blind to your surroundings. Either way, just don't take the rest of us along with you in your quest for dhimmitude.
More than a year ago, I had posted that one cannot judge Baptists by the actions of the KKK, or Catholics by the actions of the Inquisition, etc.. It seemed reasonable.
However, the many, many quotations routinely posted from the Koran itself show how that analogy collapses. Even the most fringe Baptists, Catholics,etc. have certain common teachings as a core basis.
It is becoming more and more apparant that Islam and other religions are fundamentally opposed, with few points of compatibility or the sharing of some of the loftier ideals upon which most civilizations agree. All major worldwide terror is committed by one group.
Last week was a defining moment: The end of a delusion that there was any possibility of negotiation, reason, or civilised discussion with this particular group of people, until and unless their ACTIONS begin to prove otherwise.
By their Works shall you know them.
This week, finally, we know them.
I understand. But, I have to tell you: I'm not shocked at all. There is nothing -- absolutely NOTHING -- that Muslims are not capable of doing to others. We have not seen the worst of it even yet.
Right after the attacks on 911, GWB made a speech which included a short sentence describing Islam as similar to the Mafia. That's what I remember hearing, and I have not heard that said since, nor have I read the comment referenced anywhere.
I know I heard him say it--and he is right. Islam functions exactly as does the Mafia. By terror and by extortion. And, like the mob, its greed can NEVER be satisfied.
The problem is that Saudi Arabia has become the great funder of Wahabi Islam, which is the form that is spreading most rapidly worldwide. Sadly, the Bush administration seems quite blind to the numerous Saudi connections with the horrific attacks over the last 12 years. Because it is extremely difficult to sort out who is Wahabi and who isn't the only prudent thing to do - given the extreme danger of the situation is to:
1) Deport all Muslim illegal aliens - no trials, no hearings. If they are here in violation of our laws, they should be on the next boat to the Magic Kingdom (Saudi Arabia);
2) Immediately end all Muslim immigration to the US;
3) Identify and round up all legal alien Muslim who are members of known Wahabi mosques and begin deportation proceedings. Any Muslim resident alien who has expressed any sympathy with the jihadis should likewise be subject to deportation;
4) Declare Wahabi Islam, and any Muslim who advocates violence, terrorists. This would effectively remove the legal cover for these thugs - including converts drawn from among our own citizens - from hiding their murderous agenda behind freedom of religion. Over at David Horowitz's FrontpageMag site, there is an excellent article on this subject here.
Unfortunately, this country is far too stupefied with PC doctrines to implement even the first of the recommendations given above. I seriously doubt that even a massacre carried out against a US school would result in anything other than a superficial reaction. Until enough people here see that the multiculturalism which has become the de-facto state religion of America is a toxic lie and reject it, things will not improve.
If they won't condemn the terrorism, if they won't condemn the perps that brought the "religious intolerance" upon them, then they have zero grounds for complaint about the consequences
Especially here in the US if as stated they only comprise 1.5% of the population.
Did we knowingly allow Nazis to enter the US immediately prior to, or during WWII? No. Those that were here were interned, and many were indeed deported. As for Communists, if the DhimmiRAT party hadn't been so rife with actual Communists and Communist sympathizers, those individuals would equally have been interned, processed, and given their choice of homeland to go to.
For a country to retain within its borders adherants to an enemy ideology IN A TIME OF WAR WITH THAT ENEMY is not just stupid, it is not just insane, it is SUICIDAL. We are so paralyzed by political correctness, that slow internal rot so beloved by the left in this country, that any act of legitimate self defense is instantly branded "racist," or "Islamophobic," as though despising the foulness that is Islam is somehow a bad thing.
Noone has advocated genocide of Muslims, although they have called for the deaths of all who refuse to convert to their warped view of the world. Rather, we should offer them the chance to leave a land they have themselves called depraved and degenerate. After all, if it's so awful here, why should they be hypocritical and stay? (I know why....they can't go to nudie bars, get drunk and have sex with a woman who bathes regularly back in the cat litter box on the Persian Gulf.) What we should do is give them the opportunity to return to their Islamic paradise countries, and cleanse their souls of the debauchery they have experienced here. (sarcasm intended)
This is for our own survival. While I would agree that Hitlery Klintoon would look ten thousand percent better in a burqa than she does in her pant suits, I don't want to impose shari'a slavery on the rest of the women in this country, nor do I want to see extermination of Jews and persecution of Christians, as usually follows the assumption to power of a Muslim government. I would also include an offer to those non-Muslims who are offended by the deportation of Mohammedans to take advantage of a free airline ticket to the country of their choice, or free gasoline to go to Canada. Just one proviso: Once you leave, you can NEVER come back....for ANY reason.
I think that would be fair.
You forgot to add #5:
5) Remove all Muslim Imams from all U.S. prisons. I fear that converted inmates will eventually form terror cells after release.
You, sir, are unassailable.
How much better off we would be if you were in government. You voice what millions believe.
Ibn Kaldun, a Muslim scholar (1332-1406) who is invariably represented in the west as a moderate and even a liberal. This is how he describes how to deal with Christians in his master work, "Introduction to History":
"We do not think we should blacken the pages of this book with their dogmas of unbelief. In general they are well known. All of them are unbelief. This is clearly stated in the noble Qu'ran. To discuss or argue these things with them is not for us. It is (for them) to choose between conversion, payment of the poll tax, or death."
To repeat, Kaldun is represented as the most tolerant voice in historical Islam. Got it?
Quote #2 is more recent. It comes from the "Davos Report: Highlights, outcomes, and next steps from the 2004 meeting of the World Economic Forum." This is a special report on a "Council of 100" consisting of "religious, business, and political leaders" seeking a "dialogue between Islam and the west." In the first session, the co-chair Lord Carey, former Archbishop of Cantebury asked the other co-Chair Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United Kingdom a question "in a spirit of friendship"
The question was: "Why doesn't Saudi Arabia allow churches?"
The program reports dryly that "A few minutes later, al-Faisal gave a response that took aback many in the room: 'Christians and Jews ought to be content to worship in mosques. That's because Islam accepts both Jesus Christ and Moses as prophets.'"
Believe anything you like , wake up and see who are killing people and causing problems in the world. If the Muslims who are not guilty of atrocities wish to be distingushed from those who are killing people its time they spoke up and loudly. Its time they started fighting the killers.Instead of making excuses for why they are killing.
I know many conflicts today involve Muslims. Seriously, Islam is still operating like the 10th century. It seriously needs reformation.
The way to deal with Islam is to have our government officially declare Islam to be a terrorist organization. It's time to call a spade a spade.
You are right the number must be 29 of 30.
Just been there Amazing isn't it? it maybe the Trojan horse of the 21st century.
To leave this problem for our children to deal with will mean the end of Western civilization. It's time to throw poliltical correctness out of the door and call it like it is: Islam is not a religion, Islam is a terrorist cult bent on destroying all who do not submit and convert. It is long past the time for civilized people to stand up and demand that our legistators do something about Islam.
Behavior similar to Muslims in not found in any major religion today. This is because these are true religions. Imagine the outrage if just a single Christian minister stood up in church one Sunday and demanded that the church members go out and kill all who are not of the same faith. Even more, imagine the outrage if the church members followed the orders. The U. N. would be demanding that all Christians be "sanctioned". But Christians would never do this. Neither would members of virtually all religions...why?... because these are true religions. Islam is not a religion.
Here are a couple of links to other sites which have very good information on Islam:
I believe that it is time to start mobilizing against Islam by contacting all local, state and federal legislators demanding that Islam be handled just as any other terrorist organization. Otherwise, Western civilization as we know it will cease to exist, replaced by a barbaric terrorist regime. Anyone willing to set up a website aimed at raising public awareness of Islam and aimed at getting legislation passed classifying Islam as a terrorist organization so that Islam can be fought on a level playing field? A good first step would be for our president to admit that this is not a "War on Terror" but rather a "War on Islamic Terror".