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Michael Badnarik, in Colorado Springs

Posted on 09/06/2004 9:35:23 AM PDT by earplug

Michael Badnarik, Libertarian Presidential candidate will be speaking at the downtown Colorado Springs, Pioneer Museum. September 7th, A Rally will be held starting at 6 PM.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: badnarik; dope; insignificantnews; isheblue; libertarianparty; lp; turningblue
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To: Commie Basher

"overturning all principles and all liberties"

You must be reading the newspapers far more carefully
than I. "All" is a very big word.

Terrorism is not a "problem" analogous to poverty
and the other things you cite. Insofar as it's relevant
to the United States and Western civilization, it's about
30 years old. America has been increasingly a target for
the last decade, culminating in Sept. 11. Historically
speaking it is a relatively new challenge. If you cannot adjust your purist political thinking to account for it,
I would say your thoughts are not worth reading.


61 posted on 09/08/2004 11:50:09 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: earplug
Freepers in Colorado need to tell their friends to vote against the unconstitutional Amendment 36 that will be on the ballot. It would change the allocation of Electoral College votes from winner-take-all to propotional. The campaign is being funded by weathy interests in California. I wonder why they don't propose the same type of amendment to be passed by a state-wide referendum in California?

It is unconstitutional, because it is a referendum. The constitution very specifically says that the state legislatures, and only the state legislatures have the authority to determine the method by which electors are chosen! The Colorado legislature very specifically rejected such a system.

As long as large states like California, New York and Texas do not change from a winner take all system, it is not in the interest of small states like Colorado to do so.

I also don't want to forgot to mention that it also violates the federal election code. The method by which the electors is selected must be in place before (as I recall at least six days prior to) the date the electors are chosen which is election day. Even if the a referendum were a valid mechanism of determining the method of allocating electors, this referendum is too late to affect the 2004 election. This referendum should be fought in court and removed from the ballot.

Article II.

Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


62 posted on 09/23/2004 12:01:13 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What did Dan Rather know, and when did he know it?)
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To: dmc8576
A vote for Bednarik is a vote for Kerry.

Nonsense. If a person who normally votes Democrat votes for Badnarik is it a vote for Kerry?

63 posted on 09/23/2004 12:04:32 PM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: Commie Basher
The major parties have cried wolf enough. No matter whether the Dems or GOP wins, things stay the same.

You're going to vote for a man who didn't file taxes for several years UNTIL he had gotten the LP nomination? I prefer my candidates to be law-abiding. I was a Libertarian for a long time, but after the LP financial and ethical scandals of Harry Browne, and now this, I consider myself a South Park Republican.

64 posted on 09/23/2004 12:06:46 PM PDT by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig...)
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To: Hank Rearden
Repeating my post for you as well:

You're going to vote for a man who didn't file taxes for several years UNTIL he had gotten the LP nomination? I prefer my candidates to be law-abiding. I was a Libertarian for a long time, but after the LP financial and ethical scandals of Harry Browne, and now this, I consider myself a South Park Republican.

65 posted on 09/23/2004 12:09:16 PM PDT by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig...)
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To: technochick99; Hank Rearden; Commie Basher
The Libertarian Party is a party of cowardice. It opposes the war on terrorism and any war against those who would harm the United States.

A vote for the LP is a vote for smouldering ruins in the United States.

66 posted on 09/23/2004 12:12:22 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: California Patriot
Anyone who votes Libertarian or Constitution Party this
year is blind to the horrible implications of a Kerry victory.


Is it your assertion that kerry, if elected, would be able to force his agenda down the throats of a gop controlled house and senate?

I've been hearing a lot of whining for almost 4 years about the gop's failure to get legislation passed, or judges confirmed without having 60 seats in the senate.

kerry would have nothing but gridlock don't you think?
67 posted on 09/23/2004 12:16:35 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: nopardons
List every single "freedom" you've lost since President Bush has been elected.

Go read the "Patriot" act in detail.

Don't retort about how it's worth it or any of that. Just stay on the topic you identified and read it.

And then tell me about the freedom of speech that has been trashed by the CFR that has been enacted. Then tell me about how much more free I am now that the largest NEW ENTITLEMENT in 30 years has been proposed and enacted by the Bush administration.

68 posted on 09/23/2004 12:16:52 PM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: Protagoras
LOL!! The Patriot Act?

You can't name one freedom you've lost under the Patriot Act, can you?

69 posted on 09/23/2004 12:20:45 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: earplug

Is he the blue guy?


70 posted on 09/23/2004 12:21:45 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: sinkspur
You can't name one freedom you've lost under the Patriot Act, can you?

"Know your customer rule."

Of course, authoritarians never see any loss, so it might have slipped by you.

71 posted on 09/23/2004 12:30:17 PM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: earplug
This book is required reading for all you libertarians out there. If you want the moronic leftists to possibly pull off an upset that would be catastrophic for our nation, then by all means, vote libertarian. But if you want to send a message of rebuke to the idiots who would destroy this nation forever then VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!!

VOTE REPUBLICAN! VOTE REPUBLICAN! VOTE REPUBLICAN!

72 posted on 09/23/2004 12:33:10 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic (Member: Vast Right Wing Pajamasphere ("powerful and well financed"))
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To: Protagoras
I've actually read the Patriot Act and I understand it;unlike YOU!

The CFR has taken NOTHING away from YOU; zip,zero,nada,bupkiss.Just how can I say that? Easily! Unless YOU are Soros,or have similar wealth,you have never made a T.V./radio add FOR a candidate ON YOUR OWN and aren't about to.Your "free speech" hasn't been touched.

And don't YOU hand me lefty/KOOK propaganda about entitlements.

You have absolutely NO knowledge as to what this nation and its freedoms have been throughout our history.There were far stricter REPRESETIONS of "freedoms" during the Civil War,WSWI and WW II,even during the Korean War,for that matter,than anyone one of us are living througfh right now.

You go read the Patriot Act and non-revisionist/actual history and if all of that is too difficult for you to understand,get somebody to explain it to you. ;^)

73 posted on 09/23/2004 12:34:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: sinkspur

The people who make these juvenile,purile,silly statements,NEVER can tell me what "freedoms" they've lost and don't understand the Patriot Act at all!


74 posted on 09/23/2004 12:36:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Protagoras

As I thought.


75 posted on 09/23/2004 12:39:02 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: nopardons

"Know your customer provisions." Do your home work and save the childish insults for someone else.


76 posted on 09/23/2004 12:39:45 PM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: nopardons
The people who make these juvenile,purile,silly statements,NEVER can tell me what "freedoms" they've lost and don't understand the Patriot Act at all!

I told you, you don't admit you were wrong. Oh well.

You get around to the others I poiinted out yet? Or are you too juvenile and silly?

77 posted on 09/23/2004 12:44:39 PM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: sinkspur
As I thought.

As you thought that you pretend the "know your customer rules" don't exist? You can ignore them and make silly comments like "as I thought", but no one in their right mind is buying your goofy retreat.

78 posted on 09/23/2004 12:47:09 PM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech is fundamental to a free society)
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To: Protagoras

The libertarians only mistake is that they don't duplicate the same trick that the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party in New York use to keep major party status: they name as their electors the same people who the Republican and Democratic (respectively) parties name as electors. Thus people are free to vote for the party of their principles while not 'wasting' their vote on an unwinnable candidate.


79 posted on 09/23/2004 12:48:10 PM PDT by mlorrey ("If the LP caused the FSP, then Nixon caused the War Powers Act" - Mike Lorrey)
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To: Protagoras
Know your customer rules don't cost you one bit of freedom.

That's silly.

80 posted on 09/23/2004 12:48:37 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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