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10 of 32 terrorists at Beslan were Arab nationals with Al Qaida ties
WORLD TRIBUNE ^ | Monday, September 6, 2004

Posted on 09/06/2004 1:04:58 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember

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To: DoctorMichael

Al Queda has big plans for their John Kerry/Democrat Party electioneering, about 3-7 days before the Election Day, using their Spanish success story as a template.


51 posted on 09/06/2004 7:58:35 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: jeffers
1. Why did AQ target specifically Russia? Russia is Christian and standing in their way of IslamoFascism.

2. Why now? Anytime is a good time when you least expect it.

3. Was the coincidence in timing between the string of attacks and the Republican National Convention simply a matter of random chance? The RNC was a diversion to this campaign of mass murder.

4. Is the string of attacks over for now? No.

5. If there was a correlation between the timing of the attacks and the Convention, why didn't Al Qaeda simply attack in America instead of Russia? We were ready, thanks to the Republicans. Russia is easier as a target.

6. Overall, what was Al Qaeda's purpose and objective behind this string of attacks? Terrorize the population and withdrawal from Chechnya. Spread Islam the only way it has ever been spread for 1600 years.

7. Have those objectives been met to Al Qaeda's satisfaction? A complete success.

8. Is this string of attacks actually over now, or is Russia to expect still more? More, much more.

52 posted on 09/06/2004 8:04:52 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: FormerACLUmember
The mainstream media is spiking this important story,

You mean to say the MSM would actually cover up for Islamic terrorists who are probably planning something similar for the US? Wow, who wudda thunk it? You could knock me over with a feather.

53 posted on 09/06/2004 8:14:09 PM PDT by epow
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To: epow

The MSM must be destroyed. I lierally no longer watch TV and get my news from unbiased sources on the Internet.


54 posted on 09/06/2004 8:21:20 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: FormerACLUmember; no dems
Posted here three days ago to breaking news.

Glad to see its become official breaking news now.

It's an important piece of info. And that is an amazing understatement. That this is not the main news story and instigation of a thousand op-ed and chattering head programs is lousy and stupid.

55 posted on 09/06/2004 9:41:51 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Cindy

Cindy I think I missed you ... FYI ping to reference


56 posted on 09/07/2004 1:20:04 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
Thanks Bobby. Here's some links of interest. I am updating the FR links.


WorldNetDaily.com: "CHECHEN TERRORISTS FOLLOW AL-QAIDA MANUAL Russia School Hostage-Takers' Cues from Online Playbook" by Laura Mansfield (September 4, 2004) (Read More...)

MICHELLE MALKIN.com: "RUSSIA'S 9/11" (September 3, 2004) (Read More...)

A Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding an AP article: "ARMED MEN SEIZE SCHOOL IN RUSSIAN REGION ON NORTH OSSETIA, REPORTS SAY" (September 1, 2004) (Note: Ongoing Updates) (Read More...)
An Interesting Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com: "TWO RUSSIAN AIRLINERS HAVE CRASHED." (August 24, 2004) (Read More... )(Note: This discussion has been updated.)

TRINIDAD & TOBAGO EXPRESS: "RUSSIAN TERROR LINK - BWIA Jet on Islamic Website" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The image showing a BWIA Lockheed L 1011 Tri Star with the wing and fuselage exploding, was posted on August 25. It bears reference to Chechyna's 10-year war with Russia seeking independence. BWIA decommissioned the L 1011, along with three others, a few years ago. They have been replaced by the Airbus A340.") (September 6, 2004) (Read More...)
GOOGLE Search Term: "BLACK WIDOWS" (Read More...)

57 posted on 09/07/2004 1:30:46 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: FormerACLUmember

Well, I have no way of proving any one answer is more or less accurate than any other answer in this case, but I'd answer them differently.

1. Why did AQ target specifically Russia?

To prove they can attack a superpower at any time of their choosing.

2. Why now?

Timed to slightly lead and coincide with the RNC.

3. Was the coincidence in timing between the string of attacks and the Republican National Convention
simply a matter of random chance?

No, the attacks were timed to distract from the RNC.

4. Is the string of attacks over for now?

Yes, if the timing above is correct. It's a good test to determine intent. If there are more attacks in Russia in the near future, the theory doesn't hold water. From a stage manager's POV, the series was well scripted. A small attention getting first scene, two airline catastrophes to get the reporters into place and the pipeline opened, another pair of suicide bombers to keep the thread alive, and then the climax at the school, which followed the convention's climax by what, eight hours?.

I suspect the climax was expected to run live on the satnews channels, but the Russians shortstopped a lot of that action by putting the perimeter far enough away to prevent it. Nice move, for future reference.

5. ...why didn't Al Qaeda simply attack in America instead of Russia?

Too close to home sends large numbers of scared voters Bush's way. Counterproductive from the enemy's POV.

Our "readiness" is a lot like the coverage of a Patriot battery. Excellent point defense. Area defense still has a ways to go.

6. Overall, what was Al Qaeda's purpose and objective behind this string of attacks?

The ones you list,

"Terrorize the
population and withdrawal from Chechnya. Spread Islam the only way it has ever been spread for 1600
years."

are clearly near the top of the list. Is that list all inclusive, or did AQ try for multiple objectives beyond those you state. Time will tell.

7. Have those objectives been met to Al Qaeda's satisfaction?

If the main objective was victory in Chechnya, then the objectives are a long way off, probably much further than they might have been two weeks ago.

If the prime concern was to send a message to American voters, with other objectives secondary, well, the RNC is over, Bush got his bump, the window of opportunity to affect the election in that way has passed. That'd mean this string of attacks is over. Betting anything of value on that assumption carries a risk or two.

It may seem a bit egocentric to portray this as being "all about us", especially considering the pain this has caused in Russia, but the 3/11 attacks were "all about the Spanish election" and comparing the two, the US election is going to swing a lot more weight in determining AQ's future.







58 posted on 09/07/2004 2:07:04 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: FormerACLUmember

Ya think Pootie would like to join us in our fight against terrorism now?


59 posted on 09/07/2004 7:27:07 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (Spitballs: The official weapon of the DemocRATic party.)
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To: FormerACLUmember; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; ...
RED SQUARE

FNC: Russians Protest Against Terrorism

60 posted on 09/07/2004 7:31:55 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: FormerACLUmember
You're right. It could be our children next.

The mainstream media is spiking this important story, because al Queda would do this (or worse) in a heartbeat here in the USA

61 posted on 09/07/2004 7:36:49 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: silversky
What could very well happen is a problematic scenario like this......Suppose Russia finds demonstrable links in Saudi Arabia and wants to retaliate against isolated targets, or even via FSB covert action within Saudi.

Enter Bush and Cheney. Problems all over again.....The one issue I have with Bush-Cheney is their defiant allegiance to the Saudi royal family and the evil tentacles that go to and fro their house.

62 posted on 09/07/2004 7:40:07 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: FormerACLUmember

Russian intelligence sure works fast.

taking all this with a grain of salt.

utter the magic word Al Qaeda and immediately you get all sorts of support to do all sorts of nasty things to people.


63 posted on 09/07/2004 9:42:45 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse

To be sure, the subhuman trash that did this need to be dealt with as one would deal with a rabies outbreak. Kill all the dogs to be sure. Seems like these dogs hide in mountains and regions the Russians don't have direct control. Wouldn't want this to turn into a ethnic war in regions where the people are not directly involved. Seems like Georgia is a problem since the worst of the worst are hiding out in that great gorge there. Does Georgia still have nukes?


64 posted on 09/07/2004 9:47:09 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: FormerACLUmember
Russian officials said authorities have determined that 10 of the 32 suicide attackers who took over a high school in Beslan in North Ossetia last week were nationals from several Arab countries.

Interesting but irrelevant.

What I would like to know is, how many of them were not muslim ?

65 posted on 09/07/2004 9:51:28 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either)
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To: Travis McGee

The day that Fox surpassed CBS, NBC, and CBS in ratings is the day the OLD MEDIA's power died.

Out with the old, in with the new: talk radio, the itnernet, blogs, e-mail, and Fox News.


66 posted on 09/07/2004 10:25:20 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: mikhailovich

The one issue I have with Bush-Cheney is their defiant allegiance to the Saudi royal family and the evil tentacles that go to and fro their house.

So, to your way of thinking:
-- America is Socialist because some RATs are?
-- Canada is Socialist because some in their polical party are?
-- Italy is Socialist because some are?


67 posted on 09/07/2004 10:28:41 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: kinghorse

There have been stories for years about AlQueada cooperating with Chechen muslims. They also have 3 live (for now) terrorists to extract information from. I'm guessing that the KGB types are really good at getting people to talk. They don't exactly have a reputation for congeniality.


68 posted on 09/07/2004 10:32:26 AM PDT by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: BushisTheMan

What "Socialist" are you talking about? Go read that other post again.


69 posted on 09/07/2004 10:38:49 AM PDT by silversky (DU influence is a crime.)
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To: silversky

I'm not talking about "socialists" per say. It's a playoff of some people lumping all Saudis as terrorist supporters. Not ALL are something. Not all Saudis are terrorist supporters because some are. Not all Canadians are Socialists because some are. Not all Americans are Socialists become some are.

I hate generalizations like you made. That's my point.


70 posted on 09/07/2004 11:41:27 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: FormerACLUmember

placemark


71 posted on 09/07/2004 12:00:11 PM PDT by Maigrey (Kerry: Up-the-Mekong-without-a-paddle... - Mark Steyn)
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To: All

I vote to boycott the mainstream media because they don't even attempt to coverup their political bias anymore. Boycotts work....look what what has happened to France's pocketbook?? BOYCOTT ABC,CBS,NBC,and CNN!!


72 posted on 09/07/2004 12:49:04 PM PDT by cousair
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To: BushisTheMan

No. I want to see Saudi Arabia treated like any other nation that harbors terrorists. That's all.


73 posted on 09/07/2004 2:31:42 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: BushisTheMan

But the old media are still running around like headless chickens.


74 posted on 09/07/2004 3:18:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: OXENinFLA

Let the old RED Army fall upon their heads in a reprise of the Battle for Berlin.


75 posted on 09/07/2004 8:23:58 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: exnavy

Your right, but it gets tiresome. And the stakes are higher than many realize. So many of my coworkers(UAW) do not believe a terrorist attack can happen here again. It's only a matter of when and where.

...and how big a bomb they bring. And what type. And how many casualties. Their first generation attacks killed 10-30 Americans (USS Cole), the second generation killed 150-250 (Embassies), third generation attacks killed 3000+, so..... 30,000 will probably be their goal, and I think its why they are husbanding their resources. And they do have resources here, wouldn't you guess? I think you are right on, the stakes are huge.


76 posted on 09/07/2004 9:45:23 PM PDT by church16 ("War is our business, and business is good...")
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To: etradervic

How 'bout "lamestream".


77 posted on 09/07/2004 10:00:45 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: mikhailovich

America has terrorists here now too. Are we "harboring" them as you state? No.

I'm thinking Saudi Arabia has done much to root out the same evil that EVERY country allowing Muslims to inhabit have. More so lately with the Paul Johnson episode. Remember that A.Q. hates the monarchy in Saudi Arabia as much as A.Q. hates America and Israel.


78 posted on 09/08/2004 8:41:52 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Point taken. The truth of the matter is that Saudi Arabia may hate the AQ leadership, but they're scared to pursue them on their own. They offered the bastards asylum, several surrendered and walk free. This is chicken sh*t diplomacy and fostered by the US Govt. Let's be honest about Saudi for a change. Did you know that C. Rice scoffed at Russia's assertion that Saudi was harboring terrorists.....prior to 911? Let's check-out our intelligence a little sharper before spewing nonsense from our mouths, Condi.

The fact is, the Bush team was WRONG on Chechnya. Maybe you can say human rights was the possum they were petting. So be it. Now look at the human rights in Beslan. Reality check. Someone with Bush was listening too intently to Human Rights Watch or whoever was over there watching the Russian army topple the turdpiles. Political correctness cost them in this case, however noble the cause was.

79 posted on 09/08/2004 11:45:59 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich

Russian does have a Human Rights problem as does Saudi Arabia. Why do you think that AQ chooses these places. I'll answer for ou...because they know they can get support because of it.

The AQ are very politically astute and media savvy. No doubt about it.


80 posted on 09/08/2004 12:44:00 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

I think I can agree with that, but you've failed to address Bush's miscalculation on Chechnya. Was he right to threaten economic sanctions against Russia if they didn't stop fighting in Chechnya? Was the State Dept right for meeting with Chechen opposition party members? Your answer please.


81 posted on 09/08/2004 2:42:20 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: FormerACLUmember

But...but...I read in my leftie lib local paper, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, today that the Russian leaders were backtracking in their claim that foreign terrorists were involved, that there was no proof. And the Russians were focusing on an independent internal investigation to determine why the government handled the crisis so badly. And the bomb explosion was a mistake, the separatists didn't mean to do it....


82 posted on 09/08/2004 6:48:04 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Mr. Mojo
They're spiking it because it shows that Arab-Islamic terrorism isn't solely the consequence of Israeli and American "foreign policy," but the consequence of the "religion" of Islam itself.

That fact is creeping into reporting and commentary, day by day.

I noted Guiliani dated the beginning of terrorism to 1972 Munich Olympics, which is useful to put a long timeline on this awful historic situation.

Muslim terrorism in Philippines, Maylasia, Indonesia, India, Russia, Sudan etc. has NO CONNECTION with Israel.

It is islamic expansionism--political, by the sword. Needs stopping, which can ONLY be done by the sword.

No UN negotiated "political" settlements.

83 posted on 09/08/2004 11:25:53 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: mikhailovich
Was he right to threaten economic sanctions against Russia if they didn't stop fighting in Chechnya? Was the State Dept right for meeting with Chechen opposition party members? Your answer please.

Links please because I don't remember the threat of economic sanctions specifically. I do remember that Bush wants Putin to work on human rights in Chechyna -- but I doubt that Bush extends the same rights to terrorists in Chechyna. Big difference in my book.

If you are trying to link human rights to rights for terrorists, no need for this conversation to go further.

84 posted on 09/09/2004 9:37:27 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Links please because I don't remember the threat of economic sanctions specifically.

Working to promote democracy

JIM LEHRER: On Chechnya and Russia, the U.S. and the rest of the western world has been raising Cain with Russia from the beginning, saying 'You are killing innocent civilians.' The Russians have said essentially 'We're fighting terrorism, and, by the way, mind your own business.' What else -- what else, if anything, could be done by the United States?

GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH: Well, we could cut off IMF (International Monetary Fund) aid and export/import loans to Russia until they heard the message loud and clear, and we should do that. It's going to be a very interesting issue to see how Russia merges, Jim. This guy, Putin, who is now the temporary president, has come to power as a result of Chechnya. He kind of rode the great wave of popularity as the Russian military looked like they were gaining strength in kind of handling the Chechnya situation in a way that's not acceptable to peaceful nations.

85 posted on 09/09/2004 11:57:08 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich

Date?

This appears to be pre 9/11.


86 posted on 09/09/2004 12:13:19 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: FormerACLUmember

BTTT


87 posted on 09/09/2004 12:14:47 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: BushisTheMan

Yeah it was pre-911, but the point remains Bush and some of his cabinet members (Condy Rice) took office condemning Russian action in Chechnya. It had the early appearance of Clinton-Milosevic, and it took a 911 for the people of the United States to fully understand Islamist fundamentalism. Russia knew all about it when Bush made these statements. Now he knows.


88 posted on 09/09/2004 1:07:17 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich

Okay, I'm going to agree that you have some good points. I actually did not know about the sanctions comment by Bush so appreciate being told about it.

I do think Bush has a pre 9/11 thought process and a post 9/11 thought process so I doubt he'd probably make the same type of comment today. But that's only my opinion.

I also think the Russians might have a new thought process themselves after this school massacre. I don't think they will have the same feelings towards Islamist fundamentalism themselves now.

My guess is that Condi Rice gave Bush this advice because it didn't sound like the Bush I know. Sorry, but I'm not a Condi fan.


89 posted on 09/09/2004 3:11:44 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Nor am I a Rice fan either.

One thing (among many) that is different in Russia (you may already know this) is the vast ethnic diversity when compared with the U.S. If you visit middle or northern Russia, the population is as anglo as Iceland. But if you travel to the Caucusus regions, Russia begins to blend ethnically into a darker, more Arabic/Armenian portrait. The Republics of Georgia, Kazahkstan, Uzebekistan, Azerbijan and add Chechnya have a populace that "looks" Croatian/Serbian/Armenian(gypsy) and even Arabic. This region is where caucasian anglos (pardon my language) methodically blend into the Arab peoples of the world. The peoples you saw in Beslan resemble this blend to darker features and skin.

Though I'm not an anthropologist, I play one on TV. My point is that Islam itself, and Turkish-Tatar influences in southern Russia are more deeply woven into Russian society than you might think, thus their peoples might be more sluggish to see them as the enemy unlike the U.S.

sorry i typed this quickly. don't point out my flaws. there are many in there. you get the main picture hopefully.

90 posted on 09/09/2004 3:47:07 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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