Posted on 09/08/2004 3:36:00 PM PDT by Destro
I didn't say tech jobs are unionized. But the wages that unions demand do have a ripple effect thru the entire economy. Just as minimum wages drive up wages for higher level jobs, union wages drive up wages for jobs higher up the ladder (such as tech jobs).
Funny how they have no problem exporting jobs to socialist utopias then, eh?
so you solution is that everyone should make lower wages, is that it? except CEOs and the executive class and the elites on Wall Street and elsewhere, they are exempt from globalism's effect on wages, in fact, their wages go in the oppsite direction - UP.
Obviously we just need to get used to a third world standard of living. But hey, don't forget to keep voting for the "right" guy at election time.
there is no one to vote for on this issue - from either party. but the natural progression of things tends toward the Dems, as workers who can no longer earn the wages to maintain their standard of living, health care, etc - look to government programs to replace what they cannot afford. And the Dems will always win there. Similar to Europe.
So why are software developers with 30+ years experience and current skillsets not being hired either? It's not education, but the fact you can put someone to work in India for $10,000 a year. No American can compete with that. The only way out is to write down the value of our lifestyle by devaluing the dollar, bringing the cost of an American in line with the cost of an Indian.
The process has started already, but will have to go a lot further before the labor market comes back into balance once more.
If every American was the most literate, educationally brilliant person the world had ever seen, corporate America would still be outsourcing. Do you really think that India has a first-class educational system? They have illiteracy on a scale we could not imagine. They also have major problems with ethnic strife, sectarian violence, and organized crime. But outsourcing gives C.E.O.'s something they can't get in America: something for nothing. The simple fact is that these huge corporate executives are greedy and unpatriotic.
The outsourcers are girlie-men! They don't realize that the market for all the 70-cents-an-hour assembly work is here, and we can't buy their widgets if we don't bring home the pay! I'll be back.
Did the survey say which country this working age population is from?
Since when does the socialist utopia of China (I presume you refer to the PRC) provide more benefits than the benefits in the US?
Scary when you think about it...
we're going to have to simplify our lifestyles and learn to get along with the reduced infrastructure that goes with such an existence. I envision trailer-park towns surrounding old city cores and squatter colonies in the ruins of foreclosed suburbs. These people would scrape along by doing non-outsourceable service work when they can get it: upgrading disk drives, removing spyware, editing offshore-produced documentation to improve the English, cleaning gutters for CEOs. It would be feudalism with cellphones.
If you hate socialism and regulations now, just wait untill the votes of distressted working class Americans combined with the votes of the very easily minipulated and mostly poor immigrants join up and elect a ultra liberal congressional majority along with a liberal president in 2008.
Its sad that so many of the "investor class" are unable to think a quarter ahead. All they are doing is alienating enough people and importing many people who grew up thinking socialism is the way to go that we will end up with a full on European style welfare state.
what exactly is your position? you say unions have increased the american wage scale. they also pioneered worksplace safety rules so that we didn't have more garment factory fires and child labor.
what are you for or against? the higher wage scale? the unions? offshoring of jobs? globalism and free trade?
I don't see how you can ever get the dollar devalued enough. China and India effectively have infinite workforces available when you look at the numbers.
and what's oil going to cost after the devaluation is complete, $200 a barrel?
The CEOs will regret their decsions in a few years, and so will any American who values the notion of a Free Republic, because the wreckless decsions of these many CEOs will lead to a socialist America. As for the CEOs, unless they can jump ship to another nation, they can expect their taxes on their earnings and assests to go up dramatically to pay for the new social programs put in place by the Democratic admin and congress in 2010. Ah, what did they think, there is a free lunch?
And I'd gladly work for $35-40K, if that would buy me a decent lifestyle in America.
Outsource CEO's.
exactly right.
and that nucleus may gel in time for - you guessed it - HILLARY 2008.
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