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60 Minutes Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
CNS News ^ | September 9, 2004 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by Peach

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To: VRWC_minion

Why were none of the letters on letterhead? Every Memo for the Record had to be on letterhead at MAJCOM and we required our field activities to do the same.

There is a lot wrong with these memos including putting 04 as the date. Everyone typed 4 April 1972 during those years -- I never saw an 0 before a number. The 0 was only added when it became the age of word processing and computers. I worked in the Command Section back then and I can guarantee you that 0 was never put before the number.

Another is the subject line: You would have listed 1st Lt George W. Bush, followed by his service number -- never have witnessed a subject line like that either.

Signature blocks look wrong. In the Air Force it was always the name, Lt Colonel, ANG, USAF, USAFR -- they identified which part of the service they were from. Not to mention it would then list Commander on the the 2nd line and if you didn't use letterhead with the seal, then you had to type the office like

Name
Commander
AFLC

I don't know any office personnel who would have typed these documents and put them in the file with all the mistakes I can find. I am with you -- no secretary I ever met would have typed these.

Not a person I know ever spelled out NLT before (NLT) -- never, ever. The ONLY time acronyms were spelled out in official correspondence was when the reader might not recognize the acronym. I never spelled out AFLC or AFSC or SAC or the rest the first time in a letter. You would spell out something not immediately recognizeable like Man Hours (MH) or something like that so you could MH through the remainder of the document.

To this date, I still sign checks and everything else with a number before the month and year.


241 posted on 09/09/2004 3:23:55 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: VRWC_minion; narby

ONLY MAJCOM's general officer/equivalent secretaries were issued Executive typewriters and you had to sweat blood to get them approved then. Below General Officer we did not have any at our MAJCOM Headquarters. All other office personnel including the guys in military personnel were issued selectric typewriters.

All paper we used had the watermark of the AF -- if these documents were original, they would have the watermark seal on the blank paper. You could hold it up to the light and see the watermark.

As for who typed the document? You are right. At the bottom of every letter/memo was DAV/skc for an example so you knew who wrote it and typed it. I had forgotten about that. And then we had the carbon pull apart paper that you would list where everything was filed.


242 posted on 09/09/2004 3:28:52 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: Centurion2000
Hmm ... is it slander or libel if defamation of character is performed on TV ?

Generally slander is for spoken defamation, libel for written. But does the script of a TV program, or the transcript, count as written? If it does, then defamation on a scripted TV program, or one for which a written transcript is provided, would be both libel and slander. Thus Big $$. Falsification of government documents: Big Time in the Big House with Big Bubba and/or Big Bertha. Don't bend over to pick up the soap, unless being Big Bubba's Bitch floats your boat.

Only problem is the "public figure" exception unless you can prove they knew the documents were false, so slander or libel might not be actionable, but falsification of government documents will still get you a date with Bubba or Bertha, possibly both.

243 posted on 09/09/2004 3:32:28 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"The chances of margins, fonts, tabs, kerning, letter-sizes, letter-shapes, serifs and other subtleties lining up so perfectly for a 2004-vintage Mac and a 1972-vintage Whatever are absolutely nil."

Just proof that Al Bore invented time travel as well as the internet

244 posted on 09/09/2004 3:33:24 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: VRWC_minion

Forgot one other thing. When the IG inspected, they brought along Administrative types that poured over your documents and would have written up these Memo's -- not done according to AFR you received a black mark. We had to get rid of a signature stamp one time that didn't conform. I have seen the IG people nitpick until you wanted to pull out your hair including putting the file code in the wrong location.


245 posted on 09/09/2004 3:33:30 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: drypowder
Kerry just keeps getting muddier. Obviously he's not fit to be president.

I don't thinks that's mud. Put it this way, I think that stuff will keep him safe from Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists.

246 posted on 09/09/2004 3:34:17 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Diogenesis; All

We need a re-enactment. We also need to examine all the contemporaneous documents of the Texas ANG at the time.


247 posted on 09/09/2004 3:36:12 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: fso301

carbon paper but not the carbon paper you are thinking of -- we had boxes with different colored thin sheets for copies with the cheap one time use carbon paper attached and you had to tear them off.

At this guy's level in the ANG, you would have had to jump through hoops to get a Memo copied. Just didn't happen. At MAJCOM we had Xerox machines but the only one you didn't have to get approval was the one we had in the Command Section for our use. Memo's for the Record were not something in those days you could have gotten copied.


248 posted on 09/09/2004 3:36:37 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: pnz1
CBS should know the source of them.. Whether they'll tell is the question I suppose?

I'm sure they'll try to protect their sources co-conspirators.

249 posted on 09/09/2004 3:36:48 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Peach
I was active duty USAF from 31 Mar 64 until 31 Aug 85. Except for the year I was in Viet Nam, we always used letterhead paper. Letterhead or not the format always was:
The date was tabbed over about 60 spaces and was always in the form of:

dd Mmm yy

Reply To
Attn Of:

Subject:

To:

250 posted on 09/09/2004 3:38:18 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: Diogenesis

You are correct! Only recent years did the Air Force start using addresses for their offices. At Wright-Patterson the address would have been: HQ AFLC/CC and on the next line Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433 -- no street addresses.

When we had Mobilization Assistants into our office we had to change the signature block from USAF to USAFR
following the rank.

th was not available.

Lack of letterhead bothers me a lot and the address is not how any I have ever seen addresses. Where is the unit address like 2750th ABW/SP?


251 posted on 09/09/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: RightWingConspirator

Also when referencing a member of the military you had to write the service number changed to SSN behind his name so there could be no doubt and the full name was written out.


252 posted on 09/09/2004 3:44:32 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: Howlin; Alamo-Girl
Howlin---just many XXX an OOO's.

Your idea was timely and so very important. You have stood up for our President, and even more importantly, for the NEED for our press to present the truth of FACE the consequences. Thank GOD for the internet and especially for this fine forum.

AG-I am remembering other times when FR helped to bring forth the truth...especially the downside legacy of billy klinton! How we worked on that!

And on WACO (how that one hurt our hearts)

And on what seems like a thousand other assaults against our culture and constitutional foundations by the clinton reign of terror!

253 posted on 09/09/2004 3:49:04 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Just as Linux challenged the MS monopoly ...

'open source' blogging is challenging the MSM monopoly.


254 posted on 09/09/2004 3:49:54 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: N. Theknow
Connie Chung would never have let this happen.

That's low, cruel and despicable, but oh so appropriate. :)

255 posted on 09/09/2004 3:54:42 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: PhiKapMom

I was stationed at AFLC HQ from 1 Aug 77 to 1 May 81. DCS Plans and Programs.


256 posted on 09/09/2004 3:57:26 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: PhiKapMom
carbon paper but not the carbon paper you are thinking of -- we had boxes with different colored thin sheets for copies with the cheap one time use carbon paper attached and you had to tear them off.

At this guy's level in the ANG, you would have had to jump through hoops to get a Memo copied. Just didn't happen. At MAJCOM we had Xerox machines but the only one you didn't have to get approval was the one we had in the Command Section for our use. Memo's for the Record were not something in those days you could have gotten copied.

Thanks, that's what I suspected. My recollection is that a carbon copy was immediately recognizable; never having the crispness of the original. I wonder if the fraudbusters out there are old enough to remember what an original carbon copy looked like?

257 posted on 09/09/2004 3:58:49 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Centurion2000

"Hmm ... is it slander or libel if defamation of character is performed on TV ?"

Spoken words are slander - written is libel. Oddly, this seems to be both.


258 posted on 09/09/2004 4:14:27 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: Spok

I think it will turn out to be proven that Blather and CBS knew these docs were phony..and that they know who created them...a well-known rat who will be exposed to save Blather from going to jail. [I can always wish]


259 posted on 09/09/2004 4:32:06 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: gilliam

They are often copyrighted as well.


260 posted on 09/09/2004 4:41:33 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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