Tom Daschle is deeply saddened as well.
Posted on 09/09/2004 12:16:21 PM PDT by Hank All-American
Okay, guys and gals. As a former Air Force officer and special agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI), I have reviewed the documents released by CBS and can say with a high degree of confidence they are fake.
1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out.
2--no one issues an "order" through a "memo." Maybe a letter, but nothing as informal as a "memo."
3--the signature (initials) of Lt. Col. Killian is clearly a cut-and-paste job. The last letter ("K") is cut off at the top, where two lines start to curve toward each other in a loop. Impossible to to do by hand. This signature was cut from another document and pasted or taped on the document.
4--No letterhead. Do you really think commanders typed out a the squadron on every letter? No. Letterhead was used.
5--No way there were superscripts back then. No way. Even if it was theoretically possible (which it wasn't), the national guard isn't exactly an early-adopter of technology. This ability wasn't even available at any price for several years.
Conclusion. I think they're fake. As a lawyer, I can also tell you this kind of thing is far more common than people think.
If this is any indication of how low the media will go to slime Bush, then we can expect a very eventful October.
[ 1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out. ]
Obviously crafted by someone who didn't serve.
Could this be a good case for libel or something more serious for President Bush? I hope so. Wasn't the guy who came up with this mess convicted of some crimes? I'm sure he would know how to find a forgerer.
This is fasinating! This deeply saddens me that the democrats would sink so low as to lie...poor dan rather, he must be deeply saddened too.....
Think it was the use of "wing-dings" that really clued them in. ;>
NEXT!!!
I knew these documents weren't Kosher>i
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Tom Daschle is deeply saddened as well.
Can anyone tell me what a proportional spaced font is?
Bingo ! NO correspondence in the military is official unless it is on letterhead.
What did Kerry Know? When did he Know IT!
These silly attacks are not hurting Bush. But they will accomplish one thing, that is making people sick about hearing attacks about military records. And that's what this is all about, using Bogus attacks on Bush so people don't want to hear legitimate attacks on Kerry.
Wing-dings! LOL!
I think a lot of us retired folks, who were in in the 70s know better. There weren't any computers back then. We used (in 1976) old typewriters, and the first shop I was in had two. One was a selectric, the other was an older electromechanical affair that didn't work well. The other shops next door had various types. NONE of them were "printers" like we're used to using today, and none of them had the same type of font (except the IBM Selectrics).
God, I hope this can be proved. Rather would be ruined. Then, hopefully, someone will start a REAL discussion about media bias.
Which by the way is the case in order to prevent FORGERIES, FAKES, and LIES.
Bush won't sue, but I think if this turns out to be true (fakes), 60 Minutes is finished.
And I'm sure it SURPRISES you, too, huh.
Fake Docs Story hits Drudge.
They are too late, the records was proven forgeries on my fourm around 4am. tsk tsk why can't CBS first do a simple smell test before they report something?
Some typewriters did have a few such keys.
Funny. I've thought the same thing. I didn't voice it because it sound too contorted.
Hank, I have an OSI question(s). My grandfather was an agent after WWII and retired around the late sixties or early seventies. Do you have an e-mail address????
Kerry just doesn't realize WHO he's dealing with, here!!!!
Agree as to all EXCEPT absence of letterhead. Used to be carbon copies were real carbons and were sometimes on plain white paper...but then, they usually weren't manually signed.
This whole thing stinks.
It will be wonderful if true. What laws were broken?
Looking back through some old military documents (USAF, USAF Reserves, Army & Army Reserves), I see an interesting evolution in the fonts and date formats.
Alleged letter from W's TANG commander
List of test results from USAF basic training
Proficiency report from USAF
Student rating, Army reserves
Misc. letter, Army reserves.
The TANG letter looks like some of the documents I received in the late 70s, early 1980s. Probably done on an IBM Selectric model from that time period, which didn't have an 'th' character, as I recall.
Yep.
You're right. That one looks real.
LOL!
Yep. "W" is wider than "i". "M" is wider than "j". Proportional spacing takes into account the space a letter takes and varies the space to the next letter accordingly so that a word doesn't look "jerky" with too much white space between letters - or have letters smashed together.
Question: Was "CYA" a phrase used as commonly as "Cover your six"? As I understand it, "Cover Your Six" is distinctly air force lingo...
non proportional- all letters use the same line space.
I believe that in proportional spaced fonts each letter is centered in a square of space so that on either side there is the same distance between letters. With typewriters, it was often the case where some letters were closer to the edges of a key than others on a given machine...thus spacing appeared out of proportion depending upon which letters were side by side. This is also why in old detective movies/books you'll hear of matching a letter to the typewriter. Each key is manufactured with miniscule differences from one typewriter to another. With word processors/printers this was eliminated through programming.
There was a Freeper here last night that noticed that the documents had a proportional font and said he/she was going to forward his/her comments to Hannity.
My cudos to this person.
The MSM are in the last throws of of their terminal death spiral trying to help Kerry. Come this time next month, if Bush is still up 7 points, they will turn on Kerry, and claim to America see, we are fair and balanced.
Pathetic SOB's
How do we get this into the MSM? You'd think at least ABC & NBC would jump on this to pound CBS. We'll see.
Woah, check LGF: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526
Also check out the two different '3's in the 'AFM 35-13' portion of the document. One 3 is obviously different than the other. If it were typed, or even done on with a computer; Why would one 3 be diffent than the other?
I posted this question on another thread, but how were corrections made? Is this before auto-correct on typewriters? It's unlikely these were typed with no mistakes isn't it?
If it was "Cut OFF" at the top it could have been at least Jewish....
While I hope you know what you're talking about, why don't you know that Lt. Col is always written " LTC "?
The next time you post anything on FR, look at the "Your Reply" window, which you type in and the "If you posted your comment as-is, it would look like" preview window. The window you type in is evenly spaced. The preview window uses proportional fonts.
Try typing iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.
See how long that string looks like in the typing window and how short it is in the preview window? Pretty cool, huh?
The dead givaway that something is in even spaced fonts is the "i", the "j" and the "m". The narrow letters have these big, honkin' serifs whose only job is to take up space. The "m", OTOH, is so bunched up it is hard to read.
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