Posted on 09/09/2004 12:42:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
Text of memos about Bush suspension
By The Associated Press | September 9, 2004
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Here are the texts of four memos indicating George W. Bush was suspended from flying during the Vietnam war because he failed to meet Texas Air National Guard standards and did not take his annual flight physical as required. Copies of the memos were provided by the White House.
(Memos follow)
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
It is what is known as a "half truth"... CBS provided the WH with copies of the docs one day before the story aired. The WH then released these same docs after the story aired.
AP is lying. The Whitehouse didn't have the Killian documents.
"Is AP lying again?"
From what I have been hearing all day, it would appear that they are. The "memos" as I understand it, were allegedly from Killiam's personal file and were "obtained" by CBS which faxed copies to the WH prior to airing the hit piece on Bush. The WH merely released with CBS sent them if I have followed this correctly.
Yeah, the odds of the WH providing CBS with damaging forged memoes is ZERO.
Is this fogging to make everyone confused. Surely the WH would not have been the source for these memos.
Here comes "Selectragate"
Did Hays write this report?
"gasp!" The entire msm and kerry campaign (basically one in the same) are melting faster then the wicked witch in the wizard of oz. I love it!
Sounds like the AP has gotten wind of the forgery issue and is trying to CKA ("Cover Kerry's A**).
Clever! Kudos!
All I can say to AP is BOOOO BOOOO BOOOOOOO and you can quote me...
They are spinnig as fast as they can. In the wake of the revelation these documents are fake they think they can spin it into a negative for the White House. Somebody please explain to me why the White House would knowingly release fake documents that hurt the President? This is becoming ludicrous.
Don't know how to tell. The Boston Globe version is unsigned.
The memos were faxed to the White House the day before they were released.
Its a non-story. When is AP going to demand Kerrys records. How can a news organisation be this partisan and get away with it?
That's exactly what it sounds like. Kerry and the Leftwing press are such pinkos.
Bush complained bitterly that the Pentagon sent his documents to CBS before sending them to the White House.
AP is doing two things - they know the documents are fake.
They are trying to point the forgery to the White House instead of CBS, Bartlett, and/or a Clintonista at the Pentagon.
CBS got caught. Big Time.
You see?! I just KNEW it would be Bush's fault!!!
You're telling me, starting with the fact that CBS apparently fell for the most amateurish forgeries imaginable. I guess they really wanted to believe.
Isn't is funny that it is an AP/Boston Globe collaboration??
It's what I call: "Turning the toilet seat upside down."
In a related story, Elizabeth Edwards was heard practicing to sing before Kerry's concession speech.
As long as we continue to subscribe to newspapers that subcribe to AP. CANCELL YOUR NEWSPAPER SUBCRIPTIONS, FREEPERS!
We need to FREEP the AP on this, just like we did on the "boo" lie. Who has contact information?
Here's the deal:
1.) CBS claims to have retrieved the docs from Col. Killian's "personal" files as opposed to his official personnel files.
2.) CBS sends copies to the WH prior to the airing last to offer a chance for comment.
3.) Docs turn out to be forgeries.
4.) AP in a further effort to embarass the Prez, and aid the now seriously flagging Kerry campaign, announces that it got it the docs from the WH which may true...They conveniently omit the fact that the WH has given them copies of what they were handed by CBS.
You could not make this sh*t up if you tried!!!
-Toonces
Hey, the AP is going to quote you whether you say it or not.
Yeah the SeeBS memos appear to be forged. Seems they have been written on a computer and not a typewriter.
Hang on to your hat, Rose. I've been checking in on this all day (should be working). At first it sounded like some kookie conspiracy thing, but as more and more came out, the more convinced I am that these are forgeries. At least 2 of the Killiam docs are, according to one expert, over 90% sure to be forgeries. Dan Rather hasn't told anyone where he got them. I think someone should check his house for a smoking typwriter.
Shazam!
Why on earth would the White House release forged memoes depicting the President as receiving preferential treatment from the National Guard? That makes zero sense.
Thanks! I just blew boiling hot tea all over my keyboard!
Seriously, what would we do without the new media. The Old Media is soooooo in the tank for Kerry and they have nothing but contempt for the Average American.
"CANCELL YOUR NEWSPAPER SUBCRIPTIONS, FREEPERS!"
I already have, spy. I'll have to think of something else.
MSNBC did the same thing this morning describing the Killian memos as coming from the Whitehouse....
- Proportional fonts - not readily available in 1972
- a reduced superscript "th" - not on typewriters in 1972
- curly apostrophe - typewriter apostrophes back then were straight.
Also, several folks have type of the docs in MS Word and they overlay perfectly with the released documents. Other things include different or cropped signatures, and wrong date formats for the military.
There are probably more problems but those are the big ones.
This has been picked up by Drudge and some blogs like littlegreenfootballs and NRO.
Headline tomorrow: Dan Rather takes a scud.
Caught smearing Sitting US President with FAKED military documents.
Note:Dan Rather was unavailable for comment while looking at a nice retirement vila in Havana.
Kerry just got a backdraft that overcooked him. No ONE is gonna listen to a thing either He or Terry McJerkoff has to say now.
Hey Terry, Now that you are proven to be a total Idiot on the Military Issue how about explaining how you turn 100,000 into 18 million from a Corp. that Went bankrupt and cost share holders ALL their investments?
That's the AP folks. These people make Pravda look like legit journalism.
This is the PDF of the 'originals', on the AP web site, at http://wid.ap.org/documents/bush/040908xfer.pdf. Look at the top of each page. Think the White House faxes documents with a letterhead that says 'CBS NEWS'?
Who has declared these memos to be forgeries? Freepers, or some official source?
---Is this fogging to make everyone confused. ---
You got it! The story becomes too complicated for the average news consumer to grasp and they turn it off.
IT'S A LIE:
From the Washington Post this morning:
Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new light on one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military service, when he abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to work on a political campaign. The documents include a memo from Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual physical "as ordered."
The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration released for the first time the president's personal flight logs, which have been the focus of repeated archival searches and Freedom of Information Act requests dating to the 2000 presidential campaign. The logs show that Bush stopped flying in April 1972 after accumulating more than 570 hours of flight time between 1969 and 1972, much of it on an F-102 interceptor jet.
--snip--
A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News understood they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In addition to the order to Bush to report for a physical, the documents include various memos from Killian describing his conversations with Bush and other National Guard officers about Bush's attempts to secure a transfer to Alabama. Killian died in 1984.
Also, from Powerline:
Kevin Drum:
UPDATE: I now have copies of the memos the White House released, and they are just versions that CBS faxed to the White House the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. There's no indication that the White House had its own copies of these memos and had been sitting on them.
Apologies.
Source.
"All I can say to AP is BooooBooooBooooooo and you can quote me..."
I am sure they could "hear" your "booing" even if it was only typed on a forum board. Question is, did anyone try to stop you, hmmmm?
It's absurd on its surface. That's like saying Nixon staged the Watergate tapes and handed them over to Deep Throat. What is going on at AP?
HOLY SMOKES!! BLATHER is burnt toast if that's the case! Can't W sue??
I want the name of the 'journalist' that sent this report. Certainly Hays isn't the only liar on their staff, but these people should be willing to stand by their words.
At this stage, just about the entire world. Of course, FReepers started it all, but you can now find expert testimony referenced in many threads.
What do you mean by 'official source', anyway?
"Its a non-story."
I agree it's a non-story. It also pales in comparison to Kerry's actions, his testimony from his own lips after the War and voting record over the years. Kerry needs to TRY to windsurf into oblivion. Dems picked the Wrong Candidate.
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