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Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? (UPDATED: "At Least" 90% Positive They're Fake)
INDC Journal ^ | 9/10/04 | Bill

Posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:10 PM PDT by TastyManatees

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To: flashbunny

uh... the production rooms of networks and webmasters of news sites are still filled with computer dorks, not journalists.

Ever seen that story with a pile of documents, then one of them flies up, then a line highlights and is "pulled out" so you can read it.

You think they use the actual documents to do that? Do they make it look like "actual documents"?

Did they re-record the translators voice for the Saddam interview because they didn't like the sound of the original?

It isn't just journalists in the production room. There are creative types, producers, and production artists. Believe me it is no trouble, would only take 5 seconds, and would be done at a whim because the producer thought the original didn't look "military" enough...

Besides we cover our ass if we pitch this story as:

Are those images of the real documents? Because those documents are not period, and are forgeries...

-- l8s
-- jrawk


41 posted on 09/09/2004 1:42:15 PM PDT by jrawk (trust but verify)
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To: TastyManatees
New show on SeeBS: Campaign Slander Investigation (CSI)

Watch as the CSI crew investigates their own network's participation in slander, libel and outright forgery. Special guest star James Carville gets maced, billy clubbed and cuffed by Captain Brass.

42 posted on 09/09/2004 1:42:37 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (cong rec 27.3.86 jk speech doubleplusungood malreported cambodia rectify)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
" If these were forgeries, wouldn't President Bush know that and have the White House all over the issue?"

Nope. You forgot about rope-a-dope. It's too early. Let the Democrats get all their morons across this bridge..... then blow it up.

43 posted on 09/09/2004 1:43:57 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad)
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To: TastyManatees
You also have to take into account the device (printer) that the document is printed on. That may account for things such as the "th" (like in 14th) not lining up exactly.

Different printers may produce slightly different outputs.

44 posted on 09/09/2004 1:45:29 PM PDT by SirChas (Come children, let us shut up the box and the puppets, for our play is played out.)
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To: js1138
This is an expert's opinion, based on actual font samples and not someone's half-baked assertion that typewriters couldn't do that.

At a minimum, CBS should immediately bring forward the document expert they consulted. If this is a forgery, I expect the original source of the documents will have had some flimsy pretext for demanding anonymity, but CBS's own expert is fair game.

45 posted on 09/09/2004 1:45:57 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: TastyManatees; Buckhead
Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery

Ba-loney.

pwoerlineblog.com credits freeper Buckhead's Post 47 [ Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard ] posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT.

Freerepublic and freeper Buckhead deserve the credit.

They did their job. The blogsphere did its job, carrying the ball after it got handed off to them.
46 posted on 09/09/2004 1:46:31 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

W will ignore this amd let refutation be taken care of by folks who are not part of his campaign. He doesnt even have to tell anyone to do it. Actually I dont think we need to bother with this at all. It only has the legs we give it. Frenchie would have takenmuch less damage from the swifties if he had kept the "refutation" far from his organization.


47 posted on 09/09/2004 1:47:48 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: js1138
Geez, even the most incompetent forger would try to match actual documents from the period.

Agreed. I was defending a couple of posters who actually knew about proportional-font typewriters and were getting slammed for raising legitimate questions. I still think there are some features of the docs that look typed. But gosh, how incompetent must CBS be, to release word-processed documents that purport to date from 1973?

48 posted on 09/09/2004 1:49:15 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com: where the truth lives on, after 35 years of Kerry lies.)
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To: mwilli20
Anybody would like to guess the chances that a 1970's typewriter and a 2002 version of MS Word would yield documents that are so similar???

I'm impressed, and I've been looking at typefaces for over fourty years. Different versions of the same typeface are always a bit different. For one thing, they have to be jiggered to display pleasntly on a computer screen. Same holds for computer printers.

One thing few people know is that real (lead) fonts are tweaked for each type size. The proportions are jiggered to hold ink and look good for each size. This is not done by TrueType, and I doubt it it's done much at all in word processing.

I have catalogs of "professional" computer fonts. Some of them cost several hundred dollars for a single typeface.

49 posted on 09/09/2004 1:49:50 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Toespi
What is so stunning is that Rather and friends believe that people in this country are so stupid that no one would know it was a fraud.

Think about it. We're talking about the Left here. They believe you should be out working like a pack animal and sending everything you make so they can let you live in a highrise, take public transportation to work, eating what they think you should eat, reading only what they think you should read, etc. Do they regard the masses with that much contemp? You bet they do.

50 posted on 09/09/2004 1:50:40 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (You have entered a "No Girlie Men" zone. Thank you for not whining and sniveling.)
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To: megatherium
I hope this ends Rather's career.

It will have as much effect on CBS as planting firebombs on Chevy pickups to fake fires from collisions had on ABC.

51 posted on 09/09/2004 1:51:09 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That is a dead giveaway. There was no th key on and 1970 era typewriters. Another suspicious part is the signature block. It should have read

JERRY B. KILLIAN
LTC,111 FLS
Commander

52 posted on 09/09/2004 1:51:14 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: jrawk

Stop posting the same thing from thread to thread.
The documents in question are NOT slick graphics from newsies animations.


53 posted on 09/09/2004 1:51:40 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: js1138
Geez, even the most incompetent forger would try to match actual documents from the period.

That was my hesitation as well. The vile Clintonites aren't rank amateurs at fraud and smear by any means. I think your admonitions to slow down regarding this "investigation" were well intended and wise.

54 posted on 09/09/2004 1:51:41 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: TastyManatees

This message is for DNC chairman Terry the tool McCauliffe, you are going to have to eat the same shit you produced, hahahahaah LLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR


55 posted on 09/09/2004 1:53:22 PM PDT by erik22lax
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To: TastyManatees
Wouldn't the most obvious thing be to get other memos tped by the same person during the same time period and compare them? Surely, they should closely match this memo. It is unlikely that Killian would have been receiving a new, different typewriter on a regular basis.

Also, those IBM Selectrics were built like a tank, and they did not fail very often. My family's business had one that lasted for at least 10 years of regular use, without adjustment, even after it was refurb'ed and sold to us.

56 posted on 09/09/2004 1:54:21 PM PDT by ikka
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To: TastyManatees

Dan Rather and CBS News knew the document was fake, why else would he include "our own analyst determinded the document was not a fake?" ...covering his ass before the crap hit the fan?


57 posted on 09/09/2004 1:55:10 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Stentor

"it looks like CBS was duped"

No, it looks like they LIED in order to propagate a political point of view!


58 posted on 09/09/2004 1:55:14 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Darksheare

We once spent a whole day insisting that a plane did not hit the Pentagon here at FR...

I am just saying we keep our integrity if we pitch the story as:

Are these images of the actual documents? Cause these images are fake.

-- l8s
-- jrawk

p.s. stop reading the same post over and over again... ;)


59 posted on 09/09/2004 1:56:41 PM PDT by jrawk (trust but verify)
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To: TastyManatees

They should have used Alger Hiss' typewriter.


60 posted on 09/09/2004 1:57:53 PM PDT by harrycarey
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