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Also heard the "very suspect" remark on ABC radio news.
1 posted on 09/09/2004 7:43:17 PM PDT by zook
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Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."


2 posted on 09/09/2004 7:44:50 PM PDT by zook
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Forgive me that I've repeated this smoking gun on a number of related threads, but there's no "piling on" penalty in politics is there?:

...others have noted that the wordwrap of a manual typewriter is different than a word processor.

But to analyze this facet more specifically, MSWORD wraps the current word when the end of a word passes the right margin, whereas a person typing manually finishes the word he is typing when the right-margin bell rings, and then does a carriage return. The net effect of the manual typewritten style is that, if one draws a vertical line at the bell-margin, that line should go through (intersect) the last word of every line of text.

Clearly, from the 1 AUG 1972 memo, NO SUCH VERTICAL LINE CAN BE CONSTRUCTED THAT INTERSECTS THE LAST WORD OF EVERY WRAPPED LINE OF TEXT!

For example, in paragraph 3, on a typewriter, we have to assume the right-margin bell rang while typing the word "and" on the 1st line. Yet, if that was the case, then on paragraph 2, the margin bell would have rang while typing the word "orders", and the subsequent word "for" should have appeared on the next, not the same, line.


3 posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:09 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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I think the widow quotes are new.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:44 PM PDT by Shermy
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6 posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:48 PM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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First the son and now the widow express doubt.


7 posted on 09/09/2004 7:46:10 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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Wow. This interview must be for the Nightline special tonight about the forgeries.


8 posted on 09/09/2004 7:46:40 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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This is FABULOUS..this is on the ABC web page????? If it turns out they are forgeries (which it sure appears to be) that means that ANYTHING the MSM puts out as records are going to be suspect...
EXCELLENT


9 posted on 09/09/2004 7:47:36 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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Anybody check under Carvilles rock yet for the original of the counterfeit?


11 posted on 09/09/2004 7:48:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
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Fascinating

ABC are supposedly doing this on Nightline in 50 minutes or so. Clearly they're running with this.

I wonder if they saw the writing on the wall at RNC, and have decided they've got to get back to the center to compete with Foxnews.

16 posted on 09/09/2004 7:50:49 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com: where the truth lives on, after 35 years of Kerry lies.)
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So her husband didn't type. He didn't keep that kind of file. And no one in the family gave CBS any files.

LOL!

Some day a book is going to be written about what Freepers have uncovered here, and elsewhere.


18 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:07 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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This says it all:

"Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

19 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:17 PM PDT by mass55th (It's the superscript, stupid!!!!)
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Mega Bump...


20 posted on 09/09/2004 7:51:32 PM PDT by tubebender (If I had known I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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It's over. The jury is in. The documents were forgeries.

Captain Dan and SeeBS were either a.) the unwitting (and gullible) victims of a hoax or b.) the witting (and biased) perpetrators of a fraud.

Thus, the next source of amusement will be observing how Rather and the network choose to deal with this.

Mutual Seppuku would be especially amusing...

25 posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:23 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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His wife and son saying this is hanky panky.


32 posted on 09/09/2004 7:58:28 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Kerry/Edwards. Between the two of them, I'd be safer with a slimy spitball.)
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I've been listening to the hourly ABC radio news on my local talker. It's obvious that they are anticipating proof positive on this issue. They're treading lightly all around the story, waiting for the word that CBS is meat-in-the-street.

MSM devouring each other.

Ahhhhh............


35 posted on 09/09/2004 7:58:54 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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The article in its entirety is just...well, words fail to express how satisfying it is to see the MSM turned on its ear. I can hardly bring myself to go to bed, I just keep refreshing FR over and over and over...


40 posted on 09/09/2004 8:02:48 PM PDT by agrace
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This whole mess has JOHN SASSO written all over it.

Check out this oldie but goodie from the Wash. Post.

The controversy became two frenzies in one when it was disclosed that the campaign of Massachusetts Gov. Michael S. Dukakis had earlier secretly distributed to several news media outlets an "attack video" juxtaposing the Biden and Kinnock speeches and revealing Biden's word theft. The Dukakis campaign at first stonewalled and denied any part in the tape's distribution, but when the truth emerged Dukakis was forced to fire his campaign manager, John Sasso, and political director, Paul Tully – the two who had orchestrated the maneuver. Dukakis himself insisted he had no prior knowledge of their actions, and though wounded, his candidacy survived the incident.

Article Here

44 posted on 09/09/2004 8:05:24 PM PDT by paul in cape
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ABC writes in conclusion:

The White House is declining to comment on the veracity of the documents. Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November.
Geee. Do you think? This is amazing. The general approach by DEMs that are aware this is an issue is to downplay ALL discussion of 30 or 35 year old events. To draw Bush and Kerry as equivalent in their service, and to try to get attention to shift to only "forward looking."

But it's too late. This appears to be nothing more than a fabricated dirty trick by the DEMs, plain and simple. Doesn't matter which DEM, it is a DEM dirty trick.

46 posted on 09/09/2004 8:07:46 PM PDT by Cboldt
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If Killian was not a typist, then he didn't type those memos. The only typewriter (not typesetter) of the time that could have in theory produced those memos was the IBM Executive, and as another poster noted about the 04 May 1972 memo which had a centered letterhead, this would have been difficult to produce. I owned one of those beasties and while it would have been possible to produce the centered letterhead, it would have required tedious effort and calculation (due to the proportional font), you would never do it just to write someone a memo. Corrections were also more difficult than a regular non-proportional typewriter. If these memos were produced on an Executive then they were typed by an expert.
50 posted on 09/09/2004 8:09:41 PM PDT by David M. Brooks
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Kenneth, Kenneth, what's the source?


51 posted on 09/09/2004 8:11:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker (wanna see my happy hat?)
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