Posted on 09/10/2004 12:11:25 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
Edited on 09/11/2004 7:31:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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I flew small aircraft in my younger days. Many of the flight instructors I was around were guard or reserve pilots. As related by them a T-33 while a very forgiving machine did have some nasty quirks and many new pilots had trouble with them. The F-102A on the other hand had some very BAD habits and killed more than a few on landing and take-off. As I recall the F-102 was referred to as a triple threat - bomb em, strafe em or fall on em. IMO it took rather (HA!HA! CBS joke) large ones to even climb into a F-102!
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Because Bush's unit was transitioned to a training unit in 1970!
The unit George Bush flew for was taken off active fighter-interceptor duty in 1970 and was transitioned to act as a training unit for the ANG.
Bush told C-Span some time ago that the last jet he flew was a T-38 Talon, not the T-33.
The F-102A was already obsolete at that time, in fact, was obsolete years before 1970! George Bush's unit had F-101s coming in to replace the F-102s. Later, the unit also flew F-105s.
Why would George Bush be flying F-102s if it was going to get yanked soon?
Since George Bush's unit was now a training squadron, it makes perfect since why he was flying T-33s (or T-38s). That is the aircraft that the new pilots will train in, and those who would help train wopuld have to keep their proficiency up in that aircraft.
The key points that the main stream media continue to avoid (on purpose) is that the F-102 was obsolete and the trainers (T-33s and T-38s) would have been utilized more and more since, after all, the unit had become a taining squadron.
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Thanks, Also see my post #38.
ADCOM F.I.S. units maitained T-33s' for pilot training and also for use as agressors with chaff and ECM for acting as targets simulating enemy bombers for the Interceptor Pilots to hone their Interception Skills in a realistic environment.
In addition, ADCOM had several versions of the B-57 employed in this role as well.
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That's what I thought I remembered, but wasn't sure enough about it to post; thanks for setting the record straight!
It's so good to have folks like you around who can tell folks like me when these guys are full of horse apples. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge!!!
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I was a crew chief on F-4E's at Hahn Germany from 1976-1979. We had added a squadron to the base and changed the maintenance system, so they "surged" the base, flying everything at maximum wartime rates. We flew most aircraft 6 flights a day for two weeks. Had to bring in extra pilots, because many crews were going to their madatory crew rest limit.
Anyway, we were on end-of-runway duty doing last minute inspections before aircraft took off. They were surging the entire base, 64 aircraft, in maybe 15 minutes. So we sat around for a couple of hours watching aircraft land after our 15 minutes of rushed EOR inspections.
(finaly getting to the point) One of those days, there was a brisk cross wind from left to right as the AC were approaching. Since the overhead pattern was left hand, the cross wind was blowing the AC so close to the runway that about half of them could not make the turn to final and had to go around.
I remember this incident, because I was a civilian rated commercial pilot, and I figured out what was happening and told the guys in the van. Their response was universal derision, basically saying that "these big mean fighters aren't bothered by a little cross wind".
Well, about that same time the wing commander, a general officer, was in his staff car alone perhaps 50 meters away watching the landings. I'm sure he was trying to intimidate his pilots by being parked right next to the touchdown zone.
After a bit, he drove over to our van and rolled down the window saying to the van driver "boy, you see how that cross wind is messing up all these guys"? Had a big smile on his face like he was enjoying watching the pilots sweat.
The leader of the pack in the van deriding my earlier comment was my NCOIC, and he was the one in the drivers seat saying "yes sir" to the comment about the cross wind.
He gave me a horrible rating. Didn't like me a bit.
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