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Authenticity of Bush memos questioned Typographical, formatting questions emerge
MSNBC ^ | September 10,2004 | Michael Dobbs and Mike Allen

Posted on 09/10/2004 12:44:20 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776

Documents unearthed by CBS News that raise doubts about whether President Bush fulfilled his obligations to the Texas Air National Guard include several features suggesting that they were generated by a computer or word processor rather than a Vietnam War-era typewriter, experts said yesterday.

Experts consulted by a range of news organizations pointed typographical and formatting questions about four documents as they considered the possibility that they were forged. The widow of the National Guard officer whose signature is on the bottom of the documents also disputed their authenticity.

The documents, which were aired Wednesday night on "60 Minutes II," bear dates from 1972 and 1973 and include an order for Bush to report for his annual physical exam and a discussion of how he could get out of "coming to drill."

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Geeeze Dan Blather, even MSNBC is telling how you used forged documents. Liar!
1 posted on 09/10/2004 12:44:20 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776

And we all thought that the GOP Convention was fun.This is even better! Just wait until President Bush wins the election in a landslide...the Dems will go completely starkers.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 12:46:30 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: AmericanMade1776

hmmmmm, not so fast, MSNBC. You fell for it, too. It took Web-blogs to uncover this fraud -- with no help from Big Media.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:29 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: AmericanMade1776
Proof of a forgery!



4 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:32 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: nopardons

President George W. Bush will win re election, but someone should pay for this outright forgery attempt as fact at CBS.


5 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:46 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ((John Kerry is now in full retreat))
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To: nopardons
the Dems will go completely starkers...

Too late...

6 posted on 09/10/2004 12:47:57 AM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: GOPcapitalist

In a telephone interview from her Texas home, Killian's widow, Marjorie Connell, described the records as "a farce," saying she was with her husband until the day he died in 1984 and he did not "keep files." She said her husband considered Bush "an excellent pilot."


7 posted on 09/10/2004 12:48:37 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ((John Kerry is now in full retreat))
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To: AmericanMade1776

Yes,they should be held accountable...BIG TIME!


8 posted on 09/10/2004 12:48:50 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: clee1

True.........LOL


9 posted on 09/10/2004 12:49:11 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: AmericanMade1776

Questions? Questions? There is no question, they're forged, end of story.


10 posted on 09/10/2004 12:49:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: clee1

William Flynn, a forensic document specialist with 35 years of experience in police crime labs and private practice, said the CBS documents raise suspicions because of their use of proportional spacing techniques. Documents generated by the kind of typewriters that were widely used in 1972 space letters evenly across the page, so that an "i" uses as much space as an "m." In the CBS documents, by contrast, each letter uses a different amount of space.


11 posted on 09/10/2004 12:50:05 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ((John Kerry is now in full retreat))
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To: AmericanMade1776

Bully for her!!!!!


12 posted on 09/10/2004 12:50:38 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: nopardons

CBS is already heehawing around, trying to avoid this by claiming they are not forged....tsk, tsk, tsk....


13 posted on 09/10/2004 12:51:23 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ((John Kerry is now in full retreat))
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To: nopardons

Aren't ya loving this? I know I am ;-)


14 posted on 09/10/2004 12:51:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: clee1
senior CBS official, who asked not to be named because CBS managers did not want to go beyond their official statement, named one of the network's sources as retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, the immediate superior of the documents' alleged author, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. He said that a CBS reporter read the documents to Hodges over the phone, and that Hodges replied that "these are the things that Killian had expressed to me at the time."

Here's the next challenge - find the links from this guy to the Kerry campaign and MoveOn.org.

15 posted on 09/10/2004 12:51:52 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: AmericanMade1776

They're going to oh sooooooooooooooooooooooooo SORRY!


16 posted on 09/10/2004 12:52:08 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: GOPcapitalist

So what's the DU saying??? :-P


17 posted on 09/10/2004 12:52:21 AM PDT by PureSolace (I love freedom.)
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To: nopardons
Yes,they should be held accountable...BIG TIME!

Yes, they should be, but it's unlikely. Look no further than Sandy Burglar. Swiping classified documents from the National Archives, no less. It sickens me, this biased crap.

18 posted on 09/10/2004 12:53:10 AM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm just besides myself with glee!

Just look at what Howlin and Buckhead have managed to pull off. :-)

19 posted on 09/10/2004 12:53:24 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

"they" are just hoping this will go away, CBS....but it isn't......


20 posted on 09/10/2004 12:53:59 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ((John Kerry is now in full retreat))
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To: AmericanMade1776; nopardons
Here's the ultimate proof. That PO box didnt exist in the 1970's link.

LBT

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21 posted on 09/10/2004 12:54:22 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: nopardons; Howlin; Buckhead
Just look at what Howlin and Buckhead have managed to pull off. :-)

Love live Free Republic! ;-)

22 posted on 09/10/2004 12:56:48 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Jenya
Just give it time.

You're new here,so you don't know that Brit Hume used to use, ON AIR, what a group of us here found out and posted about what the Clintons stole.We thought that that was a BIG DEAL.Now,NOW just about EVERYONE is talking about this,because of one of Howlin's LIVE THREADS. This is far from over.

23 posted on 09/10/2004 12:57:03 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: JohnHuang2
CBS......READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL AND IT SAID THIS...

Bush takes lead over Kerry in CBS poll

So in a desperate attempt to save John Kerry's sinking ship, CBS unwittingly torpedoes the sinking vessel....

24 posted on 09/10/2004 12:58:16 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ((John Kerry is now in full retreat))
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To: AmericanMade1776
So in a desperate attempt to save John Kerry's sinking ship, CBS unwittingly torpedoes the sinking vessel....

hehehe, bears repeating :-)

25 posted on 09/10/2004 12:59:05 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: AmericanMade1776
CBS =

Counterfeiting

Bullsh!ting

Scamartists

26 posted on 09/10/2004 1:00:09 AM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: JohnHuang2

And to think,we've been doing this kind of stuff for years now.Finally, FINALLY,we've hit the BIG TIME! :-)


27 posted on 09/10/2004 1:00:23 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: dfwgator
The BIG story has to be:

Who did the forgery?

Who authenticated the documents?

Who engineered the smear?

We know who will pay for it. Kerry!!!!

The Bush bounce is still going thanks to some inept Kerry dirty tricksters.

28 posted on 09/10/2004 1:01:46 AM PDT by Niks
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To: LiberalBassTurds

Woooooooooo hooooooooooo!


29 posted on 09/10/2004 1:01:47 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
:) Thought you'd like that!

LBT

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30 posted on 09/10/2004 1:02:37 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: Niks

What did Kerry know, and when did he know it?


31 posted on 09/10/2004 1:02:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
This is definitely NOT going away. snicker,snicker,giggle
32 posted on 09/10/2004 1:03:27 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: PureSolace

They're saying it's a Rove trick

OR

They're insisting their fakes, and reading every typewriter manual from the era (I found that post really funny...like they could dispute noted experts in the field)

OR

They're actually saying that the Kerry campaign admitted getting the same docs weeks ago, but decided not to use them because they questioned their veracity, and this proves the Kerry campaign isn't involved.


33 posted on 09/10/2004 1:03:55 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: LiberalBassTurds

Oh I do,I do,I do indeed. :-)


34 posted on 09/10/2004 1:04:00 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Indeedy ;-) It's a new day. The Big Media monopoly is sooooooo over.


35 posted on 09/10/2004 1:04:03 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Steven W.

On Aug. 1, 1972, Bush's commander in Houston, Col. Bobby W. Hodges, ordered him grounded for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination." His critics claim this should have triggered a formal board of inquiry. But Hodges said in a recent interview that this was unnecessary because Bush accepted the penalty and knew "he couldn't fly again until he takes a physical."

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Some media reports have speculated that Bush took and failed his physical, or that he was grounded as a result of substance abuse. Bush's vagueness on the subject of his past drug use has only abetted such rumors. Bush's commanding officer in Texas, however, denies the charges. "His flying status was suspended because he didn't take the exam, not because he couldn't pass," says Hodges.




In Bush's evaluation for the period May 1, 1971 through April 30, 1972, then-Colonel Bobby Hodges, his commanding officer, stated, "I have personally observed his participation, and without exception, his performance has been noteworthy."


36 posted on 09/10/2004 1:04:39 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: dawn53
They're saying it's a Rove trick

Baloney. Everybody knows this was Halliburton ;-)

37 posted on 09/10/2004 1:04:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
In the morin',in the evenin',ain't we got fun? LOL

I'm just so giddy I have to sing. :-)

38 posted on 09/10/2004 1:05:12 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I'm just so giddy I have to sing.

DITTO! ;-)

39 posted on 09/10/2004 1:06:03 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: nopardons
Hehe you're making me laugh.

While the stuff presented so far is VERY compelling they could hire hacks to argue counterpoint. The fact that those PO Boxes didn't exist at the time the memo was written is a case closed fact. They're toast. :^)

LBT

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40 posted on 09/10/2004 1:06:54 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: JohnHuang2
Any indication of how many hits FR got today? New registered users, etc?

PS Hey guys! :^)

41 posted on 09/10/2004 1:07:33 AM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: JohnHuang2

And my jaws ache something dreaddful,from all the smiling. :-)


42 posted on 09/10/2004 1:07:44 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: JohnHuang2; ambrose

I still say this is the reason for the memos:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/09/09/politics1729EDT0739.DTL

The memos changed the tone of the discussion about Bush and the TANG; before it was AWOL (didn't stick).

Now they can call him a liar, impune his honesty and integrity, and question his character with wild abandon.

They are truly evil.


43 posted on 09/10/2004 1:07:48 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: JohnHuang2
And my jaws ache something dreadful,from all the smiling. :-)
44 posted on 09/10/2004 1:07:52 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

This big smile on my face may be permanent ;-)


45 posted on 09/10/2004 1:08:31 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Howlin

Totally agree. You've got their motives pegged to a 'T'.


46 posted on 09/10/2004 1:09:29 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: dasboot

G'evening :-)


47 posted on 09/10/2004 1:09:52 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: LiberalBassTurds
I've got a VERY good sense of humor. hehehehehehehe

This was an exceedingly badly done fraud,perpitrated by absolute cretins.But then,they never thought,for a second,that anyone would take a look at the documents and start tearing their shoddy work apart. This REALLY has been cold water a wake-up call. :-)

48 posted on 09/10/2004 1:10:53 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: JohnHuang2

Mine too. :-)


49 posted on 09/10/2004 1:11:22 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

Evil would be nice,compared to what they are.


50 posted on 09/10/2004 1:12:35 AM PDT by nopardons
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