Posted on 09/10/2004 8:06:17 AM PDT by gobucks
Bottom line, CBS news in its latest CYA article about the memos, quotes a 'Robert Strong' college professor as someone who KNEW Killian, who vouches for the memos.
Who is Robert Strong folks?? I suspect he is the key.
His comments are here:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml toward the end.
Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Col. Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, believes these documents are genuine.
"They are compatible with the way business was done at the time. They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being," says Strong. "I don’t see anything in the documents that is discordant with what were the times, what was the situation and what were the people involved."
"He [Killian] was a straight-arrow guy," adds Strong. "He really was. I was very fond of him, liked him personally. Very professional man, a career pilot. He took his responsibilities very, very seriously."
Claims to be ex-admin officer for TANG and obviously drank the Kerry koolaid.
Bet he shopped the docs to CBS after forging them on his college issued PC (no - Mac).
I read his comments and they really say absolutely nothing about the authenticity of the documents.
His "real" name is Wobert Wong. Wong on font, wong on superscript, wong on spacing.
http://home.wlu.edu/~strongr/
I'm not sure if this is him.
Where is a college Prof?
Maybe he was free when CBS's other fact checkers - Al Coholic, Stu Padassol, Hu Me -- were busy not covering the Swift Vets.
He's spouting the tired, dillusional liberal line that if it feels right to them, then it is right, regardless of the facts. Can;t let facts stand in the way of feelings can they?
Even when the widow and son are stating unequivocally that the Colonel would never write such a thing, or even keep private memos like these.
These people (CBS, Rather, Strong, and all associated with pushing this) are cretins, not deserving of respect, honor, or even notice...except to note that they are bent on destroying all we cherish and to prepare and act accrodingly.
I think you are onto something. It could be he's a poet at DU right now ... Denver University. It was the only Robert Strong I could find teaching at a college.
LOL!!!!
You owe me a new monitor!!!
Ok. Fair ... but the context of Strong's comments was to undergird the memos contents...
Strong as opposed to Killian's wife and son seem to have a much different remembrance of Jerry Killian. I'm gonna stick with family here.
I found a bunch of others. No connections so far.
"Working in the World: Jimmy Carter and the Making of American Foreign Research Policy, a book based on research at the Carter library and interview material collected from President Carter and his White House staff."
Ohhhh its a decent chance I think .... did you look at his vita?
Stu Padassol was always my favorite.
I just looked up a couple of article titles but couldn't find the links to any.
But, If it smells and looks like a fish .... welllllll
Ok. So, the key question is how did CBS get to Strong to start with? Why pick HIM to vouch for who Killian was? Why use this no name prof for the diversion?
> CBS news in its latest CYA article about the memos,
> quotes a 'Robert Strong' college professor as someone
> who KNEW Killian, who vouches for the memos.
CBS is setting this guy up to take the fall. If Strong
is the source, we could expect this development.
The choices for explanations seem to be:
1. deliberate Dem forgery (e.g. Barnes/Strong scenario)
2. deliberate Dem forgery (e.g. Clinton sabotage)
3. gag documents mistaken for real (bumbling scenario)
4. Independent trickster (Nader scenario)
5. Republican sting (Rove scenario)
The use of the word "hoax" in the legacy press yesterday
suggests that they are going to try mightily to put a
"victim" spin on it. If it was a sting, they will scream
"entrapment", even though they had more than ample
indications that the docs needed real validation.
Sting (#5) is not likely, due to documents being too
obviously fake. Author could not rely on them making it
to the screen on CBS. This is too clumsy for Karl Rove,
in other words. It is also too clumsy for #2, on the
same grounds - odds too high the fakes would get detected.
My present guess is #1, and if not that, then #3.
Yeah I read it, That is the reason I posted it. I felt that the resume certainly fit.
Of course when he was listed as a college professor that was really all the ID needed. There are only one kind of professor's today, liberal/socialist/progressive, the names change but the thought process remains the same.
I caught the bit about Staudt being retired prior to the 1973 memo.
Austin almost sounds like his dog.
Harris seems to have the strongest force in these memos. Anyone know who he was?
LEXINGTON, VA -- The mind-boggling trauma of Sept. 11 and the international policy questions spurred by the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are the focus of a major new course beginning Jan. 7 at Washington and Lee University.
It’s Politics 295: Terrorism — a deceptively dull title for a compelling, cutting-edge course tracking the roots of terrorism in all its political and cultural manifestations.
Who are the people behind the IRA, the Taliban and the Aum Shinrikyo? What are the motives of zealots for mass destruction? When did terrorism emerge on the international scene? Why is mass violence increasingly erupting worldwide? How do television, the Internet and other mediums fuel terrorism?
Issues including religion, nationalism and nuclear, chemical and biological terrorism will be explored in the three-month course developed by W&L Politics Professor Robert Strong.
"Part of the difficulty is defining terrorism and distinguishing it from other forms of political violence. It’s the theatricality of the violence — targeting innocent parties to influence a larger audience — that makes it terrorism," said Strong, a nationally known expert on American foreign policy and the U.S. presidency.
"I want students to gain an appreciation of the complex motivations producing terrorism, as well as the problematic character and significant trade-offs of almost every policy we can adopt to thwart it," added Strong, who heads the politics department in W&L’s Williams School of Commerce, Economics, and Politics.
Student demand is intense for the course, which already has been split into three classes with 25 students each — more than double W&L’s standard, 10-to-one student-faculty ratio. Nonetheless, several dozen undergraduates from W&L and neighboring Virginia Military Institute remain on a waiting list for the course.
Having long incorporated issues of terrorism in his classes, Strong quickly began planning the course days after President Bush declared war on terrorism. He since has devoted hundreds of hours to developing the course’s examination of the volatile issues facing policy makers grappling with terrorism and its repercussions.
"The analogy I give students — develop a policy to reduce the thousands of homicides annually in America. When you start discussing that, you find yourself at a loss as to what to do, since homicide involves the drug trade, organized crime, domestic violence, gun control issues and powerful passions like fear, revenge, hatred and greed," noted Strong. "You realize you’re not dealing with just the one subject of homicide, but an enormously complicated, interacting set of human phenomena. It is the same case with terrorism."
An interdisciplinary team of W&L faculty members, joined by national terrorism and foreign policy experts, will lead students’ explorations of the roots, weapons and global impact of terrorism. Guest lecturers and their topics include:
* Gary Crocker, a retired U.S. State Department intelligence officer and expert on terrorism in Afghanistan and the former Soviet Union, will discuss the availability and use of biological and chemical weapons;
* Walter Kansteiner, an assistant U.S. secretary of state and W&L alumnus, will guide students in the policy difficulties posed in the Sudan and African states;
* Martha Crenshaw, one the country’s leading terrorism scholars and a Wesleyan University professor, will discuss her definitive text, "Terrorism in Context;"
* David Shipler, a foreign correspondent for the The New York Times and a visiting W&L scholar, will lead discussions of Arab and Jewish conflicts and the escalating violence in the Middle East.
* Frederic L. Kirgis, a professor at W&L’s School of Law, will consider international law and its role in dealing with terrorism;
* Winston Davis, a W&L Asian studies and religion professor, will trace the formation of the Aum Shinrikyo and its gas attack on the Toyko subway system;
* Richard Marks, a W&L professor of religion, will discuss the Islamic faith and its connection with radical political ideologies.
While other colleges are rushing to incorporate terrorism topics in their curriculums, Washington and Lee’s course stands out for its breadth and directness in examining the myriad of political and historical issues that influence terrorists. The course also will address the civil liberty implications of fast-developing U.S. security policies and legal-system changes aimed at combating the growing number of sub-national groups engaging in terrorism to gain power for themselves and their causes.
"This is one course that will produce more questions than answers," Strong said. "The subject of terrorism will produce a lot of frustration for students, just as terrorism produces a great deal of frustration for policy makers and serious scholars.
"Students will come away with an appreciation of how little the world really knows about terrorism," he added.
The W&L course is a rigorous one, with students required to prepare team presentations and research reports on their examinations of Osama bin Laden, what fueled the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States and the pros and cons of subsequent U.S. actions.
Mandatory texts include "Germs;" a bio-terrorism book by Judith Miller, William Broad and Stephen Engelberg; Jessica Stern’s book on nuclear terrorism, " The Ultimate Terrorists;" Kevin Toolis’ book "Rebel Hearts" on the IRA; Mark Juergensmeyer’s "Terror in the Mind of God;" and Paul Pillar’s, "Terrorism and U.S. Foreign Policy."
Exploding academic and lay interest in terrorism doesn’t surprise Strong, though it has created one problem he did not anticipate. "One of the texts I want to use is sold out," he said. "The publisher is rushing to reprint it. I hope it is available in time."
As a senior faculty member, Strong concedes that preparing his new terrorism course has been an all-consuming job yet an exhilarating one. "Professors, in general, do too much teaching of the same subjects year-to-year," he said. "There’s an excitement in teaching new material, especially in a wholly new course."
from the course sylabus from one of his classes
3/18 Special Evening Session with General Anthony Zinni
Gets better and better
Another person working with Killian had this to say in an article from AP:
The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake.
"They looked to me like forgeries," Rufus Martin said. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years."
http://newsoffice.wlu.edu/NewsReleases/4095print.html
a report prepared by : Suzanne Pollard, Chairman
Vietnam Day Committee
Berkeley, California, USA
China
"The world press agrees that the mid-October ddemonstrations against the U.S> war in Vietnam by U.S. student and peace organizations, through a national coordinating committee, were "unprecedented in scale and vigor" and "clear-cut" in aim.......
"To both I say:No action is so legal that the Beast on the Potomac" ccannot make it illegalif you challenge it's will; and no action is so illegal that it cannot be made legal by a people in power. Tactics and laaw are important but it is more important to see clearly the nature of the enemy......
"U. S. demonstrations Unprecedented in Scale"
Letter from China
Anna Louise Strong,
# 32
PEKING
Bump. I find the link to Harkin interesting.
Ph.D., University of Virginia, 1980
M.A., Northern Illinois University, 1977
B.A., Kenyon College, 1970
If this is him, he doesn't show what he was doing between graduation from Kenyon College in 1970 and his Masters degree years later. Kenyon College is in Ohio.
I assume "running the administrative office" is a military position?.
Reminds me of the liberal response to Tawana Brawley, and countless other frauds: "Well, maybe this particular incident didn't happen....BUT many, many other incidents just like it did!"
Thanks for this ... I've got to sign off now. But when I get back I'm going to enjoy my 4 hard copies of the memos .... for I suspect CBS will have jerked them off their web site by then....
Of course somebody could always just call him and ask
(540) 463-8905 (office)
(540) 463-4170 (home)
(540) 463-8639 (fax)
Well he's certainly the right age, and a 4 year tour would fit very nicely into the time frame.
This guy looks like the strongest candidate so far, IMHO.
I did a quickie search on Yahoo for "robert strong" "professor", and came up with:
Robert Strong, Politics, Washington and Lee University
Robert Strong, Finance, University of Maine
Robert Strong, Lecturer/Marketing, San Francisco State University (only a MBA, so I doubt he can use "professor")
Robert Strong, Psychiatry, University of Utah (wonder if he knew Mark Hacking?)
Robert Strong, Spanish, Wartburg College
It just says he was a friend, it doesn't say he was in the military. I thought the reference to the administrative office was referring to Strong but now I think it is referring to Killian.
I'm hearing the experts took six weeks to examine the documents and never once, during that time, did Rather speak with Killian's widow or son to present both sides. His agenda has always been clear to us. Hopefully other eyes will be widened by his bias.
I would like to see the billing records on that
Seeing his subject of expertise, I'm considering our famous "stuff it in your pants" Burglar as the possible source of the 4 memos.
More at: http://news.wlu.edu/web/page/normal/825.html
Welcome to "Avoiding Armageddon: The Art and Science of Non-Proliferation," a new, fast-paced interdisciplinary course at Washington and Lee University.
Settle and Strong, nationally recognized academics in their fields, have joined forces this winter to launch the seminar course - considered one of few of its type in the country. Combining their respective expertise in nuclear weapons and American foreign affairs, the two senior professors are taking their students through the history, science and politics that impact the threat of nuclear, bio-chemical and radiological warfare.
Staying ahead of breaking news events - and staying on top of 16 of W&L's highest-achieving students in the University Scholars program - has been a major undertaking in preparing, designing and teaching the class.
"I want to use this course as a wedge to show students how much they need scientific knowledge to understand a whole raft of international issues," said Strong. "This is a launching pad to get students more interested in the relationship between technology and policy. People who deal with these issues as policy makers need to know both."
"We're really trying to be true to the science," added Settle, director of W&L's Alsos Digital Library for Nuclear Issues, which is part of the National Science Digital Library sponsored by the National Science Foundation. "We also want the students to see from the various countries' perspectives how difficult these issues are."
While Settle has repeatedly taught an interdisciplinary course on the nuclear age, and Strong created a course in terrorism several years ago, neither felt their individual courses fully captured the multiple layers of interconnected issues that affect international decisions on weapons of mass destruction.
Last summer, the W&L professors and now good friends began designing the science and politics seminar to engage students in the many considerations that world leaders face in their own countries' potential use of devastating weapons and their participation - or not - in crafting non-proliferation treaties.
"The science literacy," said Strong, "is the missing component in far too much of the public debate on non-proliferation issues.
"I want our students to have greater sympathy for Bush, Kerry, whoever has to handle these issues," he added. "Once you deal with these issues, it's easier to understand the anxiety of other countries and the hard choices they have to make."
SOROS LINK! http://thecollege.wlu.edu/grants/soros.asp
Grants and Fellowships
Soros FellowshipThe Paul & Daisy Soros Fellowships for New Americans provides opportunities for continuing generations of able and accomplished New Americans to achieve leadership in their chosen fields. All applicants must be either resident aliens (e.g. hold a Green Card), naturalized U.S. citizens, or children of two parents who are both naturalized citizens.
The Soros Foundation annually awards thirty scholarships of $20,000, plus half of the tuition owed to the graduate school program of the applicant’s choice, for a period of two years. A Fellow may pursue a graduate degree in any professional field (e.g., engineering, medicine, law, social work, etc.) or scholarly discipline in the Arts, Humanities, Social Sciences, and Sciences. The Fine and Performing Arts are included.
Applications are due from seniors in early November, and candidates should expect to participate in an interview as the vetting process transpires.
Liaison Officer: Professor Robert Strong (Politics) or Associate Dean Bent
Consult the program website at http:// www.pdsoros.org.
Robert Strong... ?.... a relative of this guy maybe:
Maurice Strong:
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a392c30d74239.htm
What I find particularly odd is that Strong seems to be the only one who thinks Killian would have created these memos. The guy I quoted above worked with him for 17 years, and said it wasn't like the Killian he knew. Killian's widow and son both said he wouldn't have created these memos.
So Strong is odd man out, but I don't think he created the memos either. A military man would have done a better job of making it look official.
My money's still on someone from the Clinton Dirty Tricks Squad. I think their main guy is in the GrayBars Hotel for the time being, but I'm sure they have others.
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