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Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written
Dallas Morning News ^ | 9-10-04

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:06:51 PM PDT by ambrose

Posted on Fri, Sep. 10, 2004

Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written

BY PETE SLOVER

The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" President Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo was supposedly written, his own service record shows.

An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged on March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of Bush's service, was dated Aug. 18, 1973.

That added to mounting questions about the authenticity of documents that seem to suggest Bush sought special favors and did not fulfill his service.

Staudt, who lives in New Braunfels, Texas, did not return calls seeking comment. His discharge paper was among a packet of documents obtained by The Dallas Morning News from official sources during 1999 research into Bush's Guard record.

A CBS staffer stood by the story, suggesting that Staudt could have continued to exert influence over Guard officials. But a former high-ranking Guard official disputed that, saying retirement would have left Staudt powerless over remaining officials.

The authenticity of the memo and three others included in Wednesday's "60 Minutes" report came in for heavy criticism Friday, prompting an unusual on-air defense of the original work. Experts on typography said they appeared to have been computer-drafted on equipment not available in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

And the family of the officer who supposedly wrote them, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984, said it wasn't his nature to keep detailed personal notes.

In its network news broadcast Friday, CBS said the documents were supported by both unnamed witnesses and others, including document examiners.

Earlier, CBS anchor Dan Rather told The Dallas Morning News that he had heard nothing to make him question the legitimacy of the memos. He attributed the backlash to partisan politics and competitive journalism.

"This story is true. The questions we raised about then-Lieutenant Bush's National Guard service are serious and legitimate," he said, expressing confidence the memos are authentic. "Until and unless someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill."

The interview concluded before The Dallas Morning News determined the date of Staudt's departure, so that issue was not included. But a CBS staffer with extensive knowledge of the story said later that the departure doesn't derail the story.

"From what we've learned, Staudt remained very active after he retired," the staffer said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "He was a very bullying type, and that could have continued."

In the "60 Minutes" report, Rather said of the memo's contents: "Killian says Col. Buck Staudt, the man in charge of the Texas Air National Guard, is putting on pressure to `sugar coat' an evaluation of Lt. Bush."

Staudt was the person Bush initially contacted about Guard service, and he was the group commander at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston when Bush arrived there to fly an F-102 jet. He later transferred to Austin, where he served as the chief of staff for the Air National Guard.

In the disputed memo, Killian supposedly wrote "(another officer) gave me a message today from group regarding Bush's (evaluation) and Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it."

It continues: "Austin is not happy either."

The CBS staffer said that the memo appears to recognize that Staudt has retired, since it differentiates between his displeasure and that of Austin, where he served his final Guard stint.

But another Texas Air National Guard official who served in that period said the memo appears to wrongly associate Staudt with his group command in Houston, and - based on that mistake - the memo distinguishes his views from that of the Austin Guard headquarters.

Retired Col. Earl Lively, who was director of Air National Guard operations for the state headquarters during 1972 and 1973 said Staudt "wasn't on the scene" after retirement, and that CBS' remote-bullying thesis makes no sense.

"He couldn't bully them. He wasn't in the Guard," Lively said. "He couldn't affect their promotions. Once you're gone from the Guard, you don't have any authority."

The report about the memos originally appeared to stir anew longstanding questions about Bush's Guard service, including whether he defied a direct order to take a physical exam, and whether his suspension from flying was partly for failure to meet military performance standards.

The campaign of Bush's Democratic rival, John Kerry, stood mostly mum, saying Bush should answer all questions about his service. Earlier this year, though, Kerry aides raised the exact points the memo seemed to address.

Bush has not commented publicly about the CBS report, and aides say his honorable discharge proves he fulfilled his obligations.

But the White House, which contends that all known records of Bush's service have been released, also took the unusual step of distributing the CBS memos to reporters the night of the broadcast.

"We don't know whether the (CBS) documents were fabricated or are authentic," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Friday.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; badoom; flushthejohns; forgery; goodriddance; killian; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; seebs; selectricgate; shotoverthebow; staudt; tang
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 7:06:51 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

Wow! and the hits keep coming! LOL


2 posted on 09/10/2004 7:07:58 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: Howlin

Hehehe. The hits keep coming.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 7:08:18 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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To: need_a_screen_name

beat me to that very line.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 7:08:40 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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To: ambrose

FR had this yesterday....


5 posted on 09/10/2004 7:08:56 PM PDT by Dog (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: ambrose

Wonder is ol' Dan Blather is going to address this in his fight for his life tonight...


6 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:02 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: ambrose

Is this getting wide coverage?


7 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:03 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: ambrose

bump


8 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:29 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana ("Kerry-Edwards" or "Bury Vets' Words"? or "Verry Leftwards"?)
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To: ambrose

Wow, and FreeRepublic knew this yesterday! Are we writing for the newspapers now?

Freepers Rock!


9 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:49 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: ambrose

I was wondering when this was going to get picked up beyond this site. Sweet!


10 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:52 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: ambrose

LOL.... I bumped this into Breaking. Fits right?


11 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:53 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: counterpunch

CBS: Not Sinking!

Capt. Rather On Bridge!

'Rats Deserting Ship!

12 posted on 09/10/2004 7:09:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose; Howlin; Dog
Earlier this year, though, Kerry aides raised the exact points the memo seemed to address.

Hmm...

13 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:04 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ambrose

Piling on BUMP . . .


14 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:15 PM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: ambrose
RATHERGATE

the gift that keeps on giving!
15 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:22 PM PDT by Republican Red (We're going to win one for the gipper...they're going to lose one for the flipper)
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To: ambrose
It's about damn time SOMEONE out side of FR -- and a few bloggers -- put this out.

I have been e-mailing this one to a 100 news outlets and this is the first one I saw put it out there!!!!
16 posted on 09/10/2004 7:10:59 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: Dog

Yup - now if the MSM would only run with what the Free Republic has uncovered about Ron Brown and Vince Foster...


17 posted on 09/10/2004 7:11:08 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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To: ambrose

a fatal anachronism. HEY, DAN ! Did they have time machines in the 70's, too?


18 posted on 09/10/2004 7:11:09 PM PDT by smonk
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To: ambrose

It's obvious from the comments being made by Democrats that they will not let a few facts or forgeries get in their way on this one. As Dan Rather put it, we should be demanding answers to the questions in the documents, not the documents themselves. Never mind if they are forgeries. ???????????????


19 posted on 09/10/2004 7:11:18 PM PDT by Russ
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To: Dog

Yes, I read the same thing at FR yesterday. FReepers [those pyjama-clothed partisan hacks] know things faster than Drudge and I used to think Drudge was the best.

Nice to see another news source continue to beat up on CBS though.


20 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:22 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: ambrose

Email this one to Drudge, to FOX, to the Wall St. Journal, to everyone...


21 posted on 09/10/2004 7:12:34 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: RogueIsland
I was wondering when this was going to get picked up beyond this site. Sweet!

FR is cutting edge....give us a new pair of pajamas and we are good to go.

22 posted on 09/10/2004 7:13:01 PM PDT by Dog (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: gilliam

If it's not....it's gonna!!!!!


23 posted on 09/10/2004 7:13:38 PM PDT by FlashBack (Faith will not make our path easy, but it will give us strength for the Journey.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

You can submit a link right through Drudge's website. Go for it.... lol


24 posted on 09/10/2004 7:13:42 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: ambrose
The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" President Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo was supposedly written, his own service record shows.

Nothing here to see, keep moving along.

Dan Rather has told us that we shouldn't nit pick the details as he is convinced the underlying story is correct!

Dan Rather, YOU ARE GOING DOWN!!!!

25 posted on 09/10/2004 7:13:45 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: ambrose

I hope you sent this to Drudge.


26 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:02 PM PDT by Merry
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Fox was on it earlier tonight.


27 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:34 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: ambrose

BUMP


28 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:52 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Dog

It's nice to see it printed in a big old newspaper, though, isn't it?


29 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:53 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: proudmilitarymrs

Well, we've been doing show prep for the talk radio hosts for years, so it's only logical we do reserach for the lamestream media.


30 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:56 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Dog

Early yesterday.

So far little new has broken that FR hasn't had a day before.


31 posted on 09/10/2004 7:15:08 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: ambrose

32 posted on 09/10/2004 7:15:25 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: need_a_screen_name

Bernard Goldberg is on Scarborough Country and just said that "There is more diversity within Taliban than there is inside CBS." He said that CBS is behaving defensively and acting like they're trying to hide something, "circling the wagons."


33 posted on 09/10/2004 7:15:31 PM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: ambrose
The campaign of Bush's Democratic rival, John Kerry, stood mostly mum, saying Bush should answer all questions about his service.

Great idea, Lurch. You go first.

34 posted on 09/10/2004 7:16:07 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Someone needs to register CBS as a 527.)
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To: ambrose

My only question is why is the WH (Bush) acting so strangely about this?..."the White House, which contends that all known records of Bush's service have been released, also took the unusual step of distributing the CBS memos to reporters the night of the broadcast" Shouldn't they come out swinging...if they know these are fake?


35 posted on 09/10/2004 7:16:11 PM PDT by croixjr
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To: ambrose

Geeeez, if this weren't so pathetic, it would be funny. Didn't they think this thing through?


36 posted on 09/10/2004 7:16:14 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: Russ

The logic of the left--matchless.


37 posted on 09/10/2004 7:16:21 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Howlin

New tagline...


38 posted on 09/10/2004 7:17:00 PM PDT by Dog (Proud member of the Vast Right Wing Pajama Brigade......)
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To: ambrose

The part I like alot is the Post Office Box number. How many groups/people would have a 5 digit p o box number that has 5 sequential numbers? 3-4-5-6-7. That caught my eye.

Another poster said that the entire letterhead was a fake. He said they didn't put P O boxes on letterheads. They used the actual street address in the military in all his years in uniform.

This is looking more and more like it was done by someone way too young to have had the small details Freepers are hammering. After 2 generations have treated us older folkes like we are not relevant, it sure is good to see us old farts show them up for the fraud.


39 posted on 09/10/2004 7:17:30 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Shermy
Shermy, the "list" on Rather's show was almost word for word the list in

THIS article.

40 posted on 09/10/2004 7:17:33 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Merry

I've been emailing Free Republic threads to local talk radio, Drudge, blogs, Fox, etc...

I think now that they are coming here for their research. Why have to spend all that time for story ideas and different angles on a story when FR does it for you.

Good going people.

p.s. I did email this story to Drudge though


41 posted on 09/10/2004 7:18:00 PM PDT by Republican Red (We're going to win one for the gipper...they're going to lose one for the flipper)
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To: ambrose

CBS would have more credibility if they hired Baghdad Bob.


42 posted on 09/10/2004 7:18:14 PM PDT by Hacksaw (190 lbs - Atkins goal)
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To: ambrose
If Killian himself returned from the dead and denied writing the memos, Rather would say he was confused from the stress of returning from the dead. Sheesh.
43 posted on 09/10/2004 7:18:30 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Dog
Dan RATHER:"This story is true. The questions we raised about then-Lieutenant Bush's National Guard service are serious and legitimate," he said, expressing confidence the memos are authentic. "Until and unless someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill."

This statement will go down in history, as a last dying gasp from the Old Media.

And I don't like people impugning my pajamas.....

You don't think that guy was on the threads here with us during the Election fiasco 2000, do you? Ick, gives me the creeps!

44 posted on 09/10/2004 7:19:15 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: ambrose

Details, details.

As the Dems like to say, it is the seriousness of the charge that is important, not the substance.


45 posted on 09/10/2004 7:19:28 PM PDT by joonbug
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To: ambrose

This is BREAKING NEWS -- yesterday. No wonder FR is running at a snails' pace. Before you post an article as BREAKING NEWS, you ought to at least read the BREAKING NEWS column and do severales search using various word combinations.


46 posted on 09/10/2004 7:19:42 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Unknown Freeper

W don't respond to garbage like this. The WH distributed the docs to all the media hoping someone might do the job that the blogs ended up doing. Congrats to FR, Powerline and the rest for outting lardarse Dan and the gang!


47 posted on 09/10/2004 7:19:55 PM PDT by Wardawg (Hanoi John was here.)
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To: ambrose
The DMN?
DaMN!
48 posted on 09/10/2004 7:20:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Republican Red

49 posted on 09/10/2004 7:20:11 PM PDT by Hacksaw (190 lbs - Atkins goal)
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To: croixjr

Why would Bush involve himself in this? He's busy being President.


50 posted on 09/10/2004 7:20:24 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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