The integrity of Dan Rather and CBS News.
Posted on 09/11/2004 9:28:36 AM PDT by Pikamax
...As another of the corroborating experts for its report, CBS and Rather presented an on-air interview with Marcel B. Matley, a San Francisco document examiner. Rather said Matley had corroborated the four Killian memos.
But in an interview with The Times, the analyst said he had only judged a May 4, 1972, memo — in which Killian ordered Bush to take his physical — to be authentic.
He said he did not form a judgment on the three other disputed memos because they only included Killian's initials and he did not have validated samples of the officer's initials to use for comparison.
A CBS official who spoke on condition of anonymity said that the network had two other document experts, who CBS did not identify, examine the documents, which were copies of the originals.
The experts studied the type font or style, spacing and other variables and deemed the memos legitimate, said the official.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
http://ratherbiased.com/news/
YEP! Legitimate COPIES! Copies of WHAT?
You mean that Dan Rather...lied?!
CBS gets more clintonesque every hour on this story . . . .
Considering these were copies, then my question is, how hard is it to superimpose someone's signature on them?
I want Rather to release all the documents that he has.
All of them.
How do we know he isn't fabricating them to correct the discrepancies right now?
If they have been authenticated by their little "experts", he has no reason to withhold them.
Bump!
Uh oh. That leaves three documents for Blather to try to explain away. It's tough when your own expert witness publicly contradicts you.
Don't you know..."It's not the documents that matter but the truth of the story". If I hear that line one more time... Oh, well, they will soon have to drop it as the evidence becomes overwhelming.
But let's not allow the forgery story to die, be buried by the tragedy of Ivan or another missing pregnant mother or whatever. As they did wtih Sandy Berger.
It must really suck to be him.
Amazing. This is the THIRD expert that says CBS duped them. Will CNN, MSNBC or Fox do an expose?
Copies of copies. Rather said that the documents cBS obtained had been copied and faxed a number of times. I was wondering what kind of conclusion to draw from his comment.
Perhaps his theory is, that if a 32 year old document, produced by a typewriter, is faxed and copied enough, it will transmutate itself into an exact replica of a WORD DOC.
I've been testing this theory since yesterday. Right now I have to go out and buy another 10,000 sheets of copy paper.
and you wonder why FOX with 50 million less homes beats 2 mainstream networks (COMBINED!) during the Repub convention?
If I mail into CBS copies of a memo I have proving that Dan Rather mindmelded with Sgt. Bilko in the late 1950s, do you think CBS will run with the story.
It's hard to sink lower than election-year forgery, but even here, the old adage about the cover-up being worse than the crime appears to be accurate. CBS has dealt only superficially with a fraction of the questions, and all their witnesses and "experts" appear to be crapping out on them, claiming to have been misused or misquoted. Rather really raised the stakes last night. Still unclear why the network would so quickly and blindly follow him off the cliff.
No, Dan Rather is the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy! That conspiracy is being lead by the experts that CBS hired and relied upon to verify the truth of the story.
After all CBS hired the handwritting expert who "convinced" the media that Vince Foster's suicide note was real and CBS used Jim Murray, who has ties to the Clintons to verify background information on the story. That is why this has to be a vast right wing conspiracy, all these people with close Clinton ties could never do anything of questionable accuracy, so it must all be the fault of a clever George W Bush trying to trap poor Dan Rather and his Clinton-cronie expert advisers......(/sarcasm).
I sincerely hope that Dan Rather's biased career ends because of this dispicable episode in TV "news." I think that even the Nazi Propaganda ministers would be embarssed by this kind of obvious attempt to politically smear someone.
This should be a defining moment for main stream media. They should ask why Fox New had more viewers of the Republican convention than the main stream TV channels. They should ask what the public things of the main stream media after the various New York Times revelations and now this. I for one will continue to watch Fox News for my TV news and go to Free Republic and Drudge Report for my national/international news.
How can you vouvh for anything from copies? You can't test the paper or ink. And even if the fonts match, and these don't, the memos could still be on modern paper and printed with modern ink. Gee, do you suppose that's why CBS was happy with only the copies?
You can add the Boston Globe. The really stepped in it today.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213164/posts
Gunga Dan knows where all the bodies are buried at Black Rock.
Busier than a bear that just stuck his paw in a nest of Africanized Bees.
"Yep. This photocopied document is authentic, Mr. Rather! I would stake my professional integrity on it!"
So where are the originals?
Ask Rather where he got the memos... I think that would be interesting.
Rather simply lies outright.
He's not even bothering to conceal it any more.
He doesn't care if you know it.
Yep. And if you fax and copy a laundry ticket enough, it turns into a crisp $100 bill.
And the great thing about the one Matley vouched for is that we know that it is not genuine. W had until the end of his birth month (JULY) to get his physical. This is such crap.
This fixation with these reports has caused the "anti-Kerry" SwiftBoat Vet accusations to shift to the back burner for over a week now. As such the "attack on Kerry" has become a "defense of Bush." In all out war one should always try to attack, attack, attack.
Those despised by what Dan Rather has done, need to some how get John Kerry or the DNC's fingerprints on this or else it will be a diversion in trying to win the votes of the undecided presidential voters. While I would like to see Dan Rather publicly humiliated and I am sure that Drudge will work very hard at providing the vehicle for that, I want GW to win even more, but without resorting to these kind of lies. I feel that GW and even the SwiftBoat Vets have focused on facts and been basically very truthful compared to what I see the Kerry supporters doing.
Here you are wrong. We are on the attack. The new line of offense is that Kerry, the DNC and Rather are forgers and frauds.
They know Bush is deviously smart, but they call him stupid all the time. That means they are secretly part of the VRWC. Is anyone still on the Democrat side?
The Rats are running from the ship.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Legitimate copies of a forgery!
Dan Rather with another one of the CBS document experts.
I am cynical enough to believe that there will be NO accountability for this. Rather and the networks skate by making statements like this without being held to task. The only way to kill them is in the ratin gs game ... which Fox News did so well during the convention.
So far, he's down to two experts: Strong and Matley.
I hope it becomes that and that you are correct.
However, the only place I have seen an explicit claim on "a conspiratorial link between the documents, the DNC, the Kerry Campaign and then to Dan Rather" discussed in a Rush EIB post.
If this is the "new line of offense" it needs to be more broadly diseminated through out the media. I haven't read this on Drudge or seen it in any local newspapers. When this has a couple dozen posts to media articles a day on FreeRepublic, then it certainly will be a new line of offense. Until then I don't think it is much more than a diversion and well documented example of a biased liberal main stream media.
If it is the new line of offense, I would hope to see posts outlining the links and facts and starting to "dare reporters" to confirm the facts and publish them in the mainstream media.
"Amazing. This is the THIRD expert that says CBS duped them. Will CNN, MSNBC or Fox do an expose?"
My email to the other media outlets. (yes I really did)
"How do you guys feel being treated like Dan Rather's bitch by him and CBS?
Rather said anyone who implied the documents might be fakes are just a bunch of right wing partisan hacks with no credibility?
You going to just roll over for him again, are you "real" journalists, or Rather Rather's girliemen?"
Why do I have a feeling that someone is running to every junk shop in town trying to find a circa 1972 typewriter so they can actually get some "REAL" memo's.
>Perhaps his theory is, that if a 32 year old document, >produced by a typewriter, is faxed and copied enough, it will >transmutate itself into an exact replica of a WORD DOC.
LMAO!! I think you are right.
Dorothy......"Who is that man behind the microphone?"
Rather (shrieking)...."I'm melting! I'm melting! Oh, my world, oh my world!"
Dorothy....."Toto, there's no place like Free Republic. Let's roll.
Leni
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