More challenges about whether Bush documents are authentic

Dallas Morning News ^ | September 11, 2004 | Pete Slover

[Fiddlstix]

These people never give up.

[Starrgaizr]

The standard for CBS is that one must find "definitive proof" (which CBS will never concede exists) that their anti-Bush smear documents are a fraud. And definitive proof (which CBS will never say exists) that SwiftVet anti-Kerry claims are true.

One can only hope that the wider public begins to notice these things.

[libstripper]

If he was a bully, his retirement would have occasioned great rejoicing among the formerly bullied, who would then take great joy in showiong him how much power he no longer had.

[AFPhys]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212927/posts
Yet Another CBS Document Experiment (CBS file vs. Word document) [perfect match]

There are so many stories out that demo the FRAUDcast ...

Here are some others, in addition to the above...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212991/posts
TYPOGRAPHIC PROBLEMS WITH THE BUSH MEMOS


Typewriter Expert can't duplicate Guard memos using IBM Composer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213108/posts

In addition, here are some other more recent threads of note to most interested in this stuff:

Seems obvious to me that someone took a real signature, copied it and added it to the MS Word forgeries... probably too tough for this "expert" to figure out this tactic... LOL... The REAL question now is who did it, and why.

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From "Rather Forges Ahead"... regarding his "expert" authenticator...

"Matley comes up from Google as a "graphologist" and has authored books on how your handwriting shows your personallity."

CREDENTIALS:

Certification with commendation, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, January 28, 1981

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Did a google on Paul de.......

It's about pen and pencil therapy!!!!!!!! The guys a loon

60 posted on 09/11/2004 4:05:08 AM EDT by Poincare
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212980/posts?page=60#60

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It would take an incredible amount of fussing around with the Composer to reproduce these memos. In addition, there are major font availability questions that do not appear to be answerable, and in addition, the ANG unit was using a fixed, not proportional, typewriter for other memos. Plus, the style of those memos is not even close to the style of these forgeries.

Check:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212833/posts
Another Shoe Drops...May 24th Memo from Killian Office Not Similar to CBS Memo

No chance in hell, BP. Check out this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212786/posts

You are tilting at windmills with the IBM Selectric Composer theory.

Go to this link:
http://www.ibmcomposer.org/docs/Selectric%20Composer%20Operations%20Manual.pdf
which is a user's manual showing some sample typed text using this typewriter.

Rather could get any expert he wants to attempt to do this, but it may even then be impossible. Even then he would have to explain the style differences and why it was done on the wrong size paper and many other anamolies.

Meanwhile, it is trivial to compose these on MS Word.

These are clear forgeries, Danny - time for you and CBS FRAUDcasting network to hang it up
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[billorites]

[Redcoat LI]

If he was a bully, his retirement would have occasioned great rejoicing among the formerly bullied, who would then take great joy in showiong him how much power he no longer had.

Exactly.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

3. The White House used the same office equipment that the Texas Air National Guard office used.

? How so?

If you think about it, the copy of a copy of a copy nature of the fraudlent "memo" is one of the strongest indictments of it. First because that is a natural way to obscure evidence of fraud, and secondly because if the writer really was afraid of his retired former superior, the writer would have held the original close and made few if any copies.

But of course the chain of custody is a rotten apple, too - the widow and surviving son of the "author" of this "memo" wouldn't have known to even look for it, and don't know how anyone else would have found it. And if indeed copies of copies of copies have been floating around, exactly why does one of them show up only now, after Bush has been in three previous high-profile political campaigns?

Of course the fact that the "memo" is trivial to produce with Microsoft Word and would have been tedious to produce on any 1972 typewriter is the strongest evidence aside from the fact that hardly any typewriter would give you curved quotation marks - and that Times New Roman wasn't available on typewriters.

[muir_redwoods]

"I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill."

No, that doesn't sound desperate and defensive at all, now does it?

[DB]

Are you kidding? Rather laid down the gauntlet by saying "This story is true" and that "he stands by it" in the face of such blatant forgeries. Enough reporters see red meat just waiting for anyone who can get there first to bury CBS.

The undersea earthquake has already taken place. We are now just waiting for the tsunami to make its way to shore...

[Southack]

"From what we've learned, Staudt remained very active after he retired," the staffer said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "He was a very bullying type, and that could have continued."

They are so BUSTED! There are *thousands* of google hits on Col Staudt, but the above comment is the only one to claim that he's a "bully."

The Dems are just making this stuff up as they go!

1 Full Legislative Day Left Until The AWB Expires

[tdadams]

Dan can dismiss it with the same epithets that were hurled at Drudge when he started cracking stories and injecting honest discussion of important issues into the MSM.

But epithets don't dismiss the very real fact that noteworthy challenges have been put to these documents and unless Rather can authenticate them, he and his show have been dealt a serious credibility blow.

[PMCarey]

The standard for CBS is that one must find "definitive proof" (which CBS will never concede exists) that their anti-Bush smear documents are a fraud. And definitive proof (which CBS will never say exists) that SwiftVet anti-Kerry claims are true.

But they don't need "definitive proof" to make charges against the President.

[tdadams]

The Dems are just making this stuff up as they go!

You're quite right about that. The definitely are.

[AMDG&BVMH]

"all sorts of "could haves" and "was possibles" to have actually happened in combination in order for the original allegation to stand up."

and so many of those 'could haves' involve misquoting or using other people . . . just so many tools for the elites, aren't we all --

[Catphish]

According PeopleData.com:

https://www.peopledata.com/query1.php?first=Walter&last=Staudt&state=TX&ref=yhsumres_bgc&se=YH

Walter B. Staudt is 82 and living in Texas. Why the hell hasn't someone interviewed him already? This could be the lynch pin to the whole story.

[tioga]

I want him fired, not just laughed at.

[JudgemAll]

The emperor has no clothes.

['61 Libertarian]

FReepers,

Please keep up the posts. Also please support the websites that do the research to prove that these documents are frauds. We will win this. The MSM can't bury this. CBS will lose. Keep it up. Have faith. We will prevail!

[libstripper]

The multiple generation copy would do a great job of retaining a readable facsimile of a pasted and pohotocopied signature while changing it just enough to make it look like it wasn't a direct copy of one of the Lt. colonel's other signatures from genuine documents. Thus, the perpetrator of this forgery probably pasted the copies of the Lt. colonel's signatures, taken from copies of genuine original documents, to the master forgeries. Then the perp ran enoung generations to alter the signatures' appearances enough so it would be difficult to prove they were taken from other documents. From there it was easy to send it on to Rather, especially because he was propbably in on the scam in th first place..

[JudgemAll]

A CBS staffer stood by the story, suggesting Staudt could have continued to exert influence over Guard officials. But a former high-ranking Guard official disputed that, saying retirement would have left Staudt powerless.

The emperor is begging for more clothes... and stupid non-alibis It's CBS which is on the line, not the Guards' assertions anyways, duh!