[Ursus arctos horribilis]

No thread posted that is not vetted and sourced, if posts are proven false, we ourselves zot them instantly.

Freepers and RW bloggers know the value of truth and veracity, dems and MSM have long since abandoned such ideals.

[AFPhys]

Ah... that is one thing I was going to say, too...

For See BS and the other FRAUDcasters to believe that we don't have checks and balances here simply points out that they have never been part of the turmoil that goes on here --- the very tough arguments and the pseudotrolls and the major fights and even name calling. It may not be recognizable to them as accomplishing the vetting of news, but we typically do get it right in the end, and more quickly than they do.
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[lentulusgracchus]

Freepers and RW bloggers know the value of truth and veracity, dems and MSM have long since abandoned such ideals.

Anyone possessing great power and seized of an idea, an ideology, like they are can make the same gross strategic error, which is to lose sight of the fact that the means are the ends, or a part of them, in a free society.

Second thought: Liberals really represent Hamiltonianism, which in 1788 was "conservative", in the sense that Hamiltonians wanted to lead us back to a more authoritative government -- a "government of inherent authority", kingdom without the king, a goal they have held in view down to the present day. That idea of authoritative government was of a piece with the ideology that led the Holy Office of the Inquisition to cross-examine Galileo Galilei, knowing intuitively that Galileo's views were correct, with a view to forcing him to recant -- because of the impact of new knowledge on Church power.

Power junkies have always been with us, and they have, for the last 60 years, stood with the liberal cause and the Democratic Party.

Let's hope to God that conservatives and Republicans always remember to keep humming that old Alan Parsons Project tune, "I Wouldn't Want to Be Like You".