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TEXAS GUARD DIRECTOR: '60 MINUTES DOC 'FORGED AS HELL'!
Newsmax ^ | 9/12/04

Posted on 09/12/2004 8:40:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone

The Director of the Texas Air National Guard at the time President Bush served there said Sunday that Guard documents obtained by "60 Minutes" purporting to show dissatisfaction over his performance are "forged as hell."

"They're forged as hell," former Guard director Earl W. Lively told the Washington Times. "There's no way that [Bush's commanding officer] Jerry Killian would have written what they've come up with."

Lively was referring to documents aired by CBS news star Dan Rather on Wednesday, purporting to show that Bush's commander Lt. Col. Killian felt pressure from his own superior officer, Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt to "sugarcoat" Bush's record.

But Lively confirmed to the Times that Staudt had been honorably discharged in March 1972, nearly 18 months before the date of the forged Killian memos.


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1 posted on 09/12/2004 8:40:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

What a pleasure to see Rather twisting, oh so slowly, in the wind.


2 posted on 09/12/2004 8:42:02 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: areafiftyone
"Dan's a girl...Dan has the enthusiasm of a girl. There's a girl's soul lurking in him."

--CBS News campaign producer Susan Zirinsky in the March 23, 1996 TV Guide.

3 posted on 09/12/2004 8:42:07 AM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: battlegearboat

It gives me pleasure as well


5 posted on 09/12/2004 8:43:04 AM PDT by Arpege92 (We're here! We're Conservative! And we're in your face! - theDentist)
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To: Made in USA

HA! Can I steal that?


6 posted on 09/12/2004 8:44:58 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: areafiftyone

Now this is nice to go along with everyone else who has come forward to cast serious doubt on those 'memos' as well as Amy Barnes outright calling her father a 'liar' who 'wants to sell books and help Kerry'. WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE ON THE NEWS? SEEMS AS IF THE NETWORKS AND PAPERS WERE ALL OVER PRINTING BARNES STORY AND THESE MEMOS AS FACT yet they are nowhere near showing the other side of this and the fact there is so much evidence against these slanders against the President. Notice the difference between coverage of Kerry and Bush and see how the media continues to push the lies and not provide those who would speak and contradict what they are saying to attempt to discredit the President. The SwiftVets were getting attacked by the media and it's obvious the media doesn't want to provide a defense of George W. Bush and it needs to stop.


7 posted on 09/12/2004 8:46:54 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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To: soozla

""Dan's a girl...Dan has the enthusiasm of a girl. There's a girl's soul lurking in him."
--CBS News campaign producer Susan Zirinsky in the March 23, 1996 TV Guide."

LOL


8 posted on 09/12/2004 8:49:46 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like HO CHI MINH as stated by Kerry.)
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To: areafiftyone
Not only are these documents "forged as hell," but Dan Rather is "deader'n hell," professionally speaking. My column next week will be on that subject. I just hope that Rather doesn't resign or get fired before I can get that in print.

Congressman Billybob

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10 posted on 09/12/2004 8:52:24 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: All

If there is a Lord in heaven, please please please let this be the downfall of Dan Rather!! I've disliked him for years!


11 posted on 09/12/2004 8:53:42 AM PDT by misharu
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To: bushfamfan

There are a variety of pundits, teachers, and web sites that purport to be the guardians of professional journalism and keepers of the truth. Ethics gurus for the press. Poynter/Romensko come to mind. By and large they have yet to opine on Danny boy. Their silence is deafening.


12 posted on 09/12/2004 8:55:29 AM PDT by Drango (What's the Font, Kenneth?)
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To: areafiftyone

Of course....the liberals-commies-liars....couldn't do any better than that......the little chicken $HITS....


13 posted on 09/12/2004 8:56:13 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: areafiftyone
There is no longer any question that the CBS documents are fake. That has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only remaining question is ...

WHAT DID RATHER KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?

14 posted on 09/12/2004 8:58:32 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: battlegearboat

Net result of Rathergate on behalf of Lurch, zero at best; more likely a minus (for both Kerry and Blather). Love it.


15 posted on 09/12/2004 8:59:32 AM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: soozla
"Dan's a girl...Dan has the enthusiasm of a girl. There's a girl's soul lurking in him."

Yikes!!! This stuff is spreading like wildfire. First it's Arnold's "Girrlie-men"... now it's "a girl's lurking soul." Double Yikes... where do I go to get inoculated??? !!!

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16 posted on 09/12/2004 9:03:48 AM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: shield; All

What all of you seem to be missing is that Danny boy just reads what he is told to read so changing him, having him fired or his resigning would only lead to the network putting a "talking head" in his place that would read what the network wants him to read so it doesn't matter if it is Danny boy or some other reader. The content won't change, only who is doing the reading is all that will change.


17 posted on 09/12/2004 9:03:51 AM PDT by El Gran Salseron (It translates as the Great, Big Salsa Dancer, nothing more. :-))
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
I watched the first 15-minutes of CBS Evening News of Friday--all that was needed--all I could stand. It looked to me that Rather was mounting a weak defense of an indefensible mistake and was already backing off the Memos as being the primary justification for this continuing (but old) story.

Since everyone in America can reproduce these memos precisely with their own computer, since CBS will be able to find no typed-document expert to come on-air to defend them, and since every other news organization is laughing at them, I'm almost certain that CBS will crack next week.

I think that Rather himself was setting that up on Friday. It's a bad situation but there is no one at CBS that can come on the air to defend this in any way and the story is not going away with Ivan. The really big issue will be: who foisted this on CBS? The strong assumption that Kerry and/or McAuliffe were behind this. The fact the McAuliffe pointed this at Karl Rove indicates that he already sees this as quite damaging to the DNC.

I just think that CBS needed the weekend to consider how they get out in front on this issue, to consider the criminal implications of this, and to decide how to give up thier sources.

18 posted on 09/12/2004 9:05:00 AM PDT by DJtex (;)
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To: DJtex

Maybe they'll apologize.


19 posted on 09/12/2004 9:10:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (maybe they won't)
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To: Congressman Billybob
In summary, here's the current game CBS is playing:

1. All criticism of these documents is based on multiple generation copies that have been faxed and copied several times, which means the criticism is not valid.

2. We will not allow the first generation copies (or are they 2nd or 3rd generation copies?) we were given to be analyzed by any independent document expert.

3. But if any certifiable evidence is uncovered by anyone, we will investigate it.

In a way, it's a Catch 22.

20 posted on 09/12/2004 9:11:53 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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