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Devastating if True (to Dan) E-mail #3 at Hugh Hewitt Site (Technology not there until 1989)
Hugh Hewitt site (scroll down to e-mail 3) ^ | Sept. 12, 2004 1:00 PM PT | Hugh Hewitt/Paul Snively

Posted on 09/12/2004 1:45:38 PM PDT by litany_of_lies

E-mail Number Three (of which I have only thetiniest bit of understanding, but which I suspect is even more bad news for Dan and the CBS crowd):

"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA1

Hi, Hugh.

My name is Paul Snively. I'm a software engineer and former Apple Computer employee. Specifically, I was employed by Apple Computer from 1989-1991, the years in which Apple invented TrueType font technology, shipped the first implementation of TrueType in Macintosh System Software 7.0, and licensed the TrueType technology to Microsoft. My personal involvement with TrueType, however, was limited to participating in a code review of the TrueType renderer for System 7.0.

Corky Cartwright, whom I've incidentally known of for a minimum of three years due to his involvement with the Scheme programming language and specifically the , is, of course, exactly correct in his observations regarding proportional font spacing and the likelihood of its applicability even via the IBM Composer circa 1973. The animated GIF of the Microsoft Word document overlaying the CBS-provided PDF is already quite convincing. However, it gets worse for CBS.

Microsoft uses TrueType font technology under license from Apple Computer. Apple Computer holds three patents related to TrueType: , , and , as described at . The salient fact is that _at least one of these patents covers technology that can affect the font's metrics_, as described at , which I quote in part here:

"Some small aspects of the TrueType specification being covered by several patents owned by Apple Computer, it is generally not possible to render TrueType glyphs exactly as they should without infringing on Apple's IP rights (without a license).

This explains that we've taken some special measures to deal with this problem:

First of all, a default build of the FreeType 2 sources will not use any of the patented techniques to render TrueType glyphs. You'll thus be safe to use it freely in all kinds of projects.

Unfortunately, this freedom comes at the price of sometimes less-than-ideal glyph quality, depending on the font design, and most surely different glyph metrics for a given font."

Thus, the Microsoft Word document/CBS PDF overlay exhibiting completely accurate character overlay strongly suggests that, at the very least,

the origin of the PDF document was a piece of word-processing software using an Apple-licensed TrueType implementation, a font technology, glyph-hinting process, patent, and license that didn't exist until 1989.

Please feel free to quote me on the air and/or on your web site. Please also note that this e-mail is digitally signed using GNU Privacy Guard, and my public key can be found on and other OpenPGP-compatible public keyservers around the Internet, with key ID 31C14015, fingerprint BD49 DB9E B110 9BA6 7B7D 6D19 6E8B 75C3 31C1 4015.

Best regards, Paul Snively


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: apple; cbs; cbsnews; fonts; glyphs; hewitt; hughhewitt; killian; rather; truetype
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Well, whadaya think? If true, it absolutely ends the argument about the docs once and for freaking all.

Hugh's other 2 e-mails are also damning to Rather and CBS.

1 posted on 09/12/2004 1:45:44 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Hmm... Interesting. Very interesting.

Dan, I think it's over for you.

2 posted on 09/12/2004 1:56:14 PM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch! (and the MSM is FR's b*tch!))
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To: litany_of_lies

Deep doodoo for the Rat Rather.


3 posted on 09/12/2004 1:56:59 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: litany_of_lies
Don't worry, Dan Rather, 60-Minutes, CBS News and finally the CBS Network all stand by their story because the underlying facts are supported by the preponderence of evidence.

(Loose translation----we don't care if the documents are forged, we like the story and are going to keep runing with it until we have no credibility in any forum and we have destroyed the name of our network)

4 posted on 09/12/2004 2:00:53 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: litany_of_lies
The DNCbs is being steamrolled by the truth.
5 posted on 09/12/2004 2:04:27 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Sorry Kerry, you're 3 decimal places adrift: 3,000,000 not 3,000 "displaced"/murdered SE Asians)
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To: Robert357

And .... didn't Dan say that we should be looking beyond the question of validity of the documents? We should be looking at the content!! Yeesh!!!!!


6 posted on 09/12/2004 2:04:43 PM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: Robert357

Dan Rather, Americas' village idiot.


7 posted on 09/12/2004 2:07:02 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: litany_of_lies
If true, it absolutely ends the argument about the docs once and for freaking all.

Not with Dan. He is continuing his stonewall with very limited hangout. He probably sees it as a "nothing to lose" proposition: Admit he foisted a fraud upon the American people or deny, deny, deny on the chance, however slim, that the issue may blow over.

8 posted on 09/12/2004 2:07:55 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: Robert357

"...going to keep runing with it until we have no credibility in any forum and we have destroyed the name of our network..."

It's time to ask CBS this: "What is Rather holding over the heads of some higher ups that they are willing to destroy CBS rather than risking their own careers. It is obvious now that Rather is being protected to the detriment of the shareholders of CBS." There is the criminality of investor fraud now underway at the Black Eye Network.


9 posted on 09/12/2004 2:11:44 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: RightField

LOL! Yea, forget the problems of the authenticity of these documents, let's have him answer the IMPORTANT questions raised in them!
(is he on drugs?)


10 posted on 09/12/2004 2:12:43 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: RightField
It just goes proves that in addition to inventing the internet, Al Gore (the wood) also invented a focused beam gravity wave particulate time recombiner.

So he transformed the Underwood at Killians office temporarily on 4th May 1972 into an IBM PC with laser printer output.

I bet he didn't think he would cause all these problems for the dims.

11 posted on 09/12/2004 2:13:52 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: RightField
Yes. Rather said the 'substance' of the memos is more important. Ellen 'ranting' Ratner yesterday and Juan William today both said the content is important, even if the documents are fakes.

They expect the public to buy that. After all, 40%+ are buying Kerry and all his 'plans' and 'new directions'.

Hey, the LibMedia sold Bill Clinton and got him elected twice. Maybe they can sell the pig-in-a-poke Kerry.
12 posted on 09/12/2004 2:16:10 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: Bullish
Rumor has it that Hillary Clinton's new book will be It took a village to raise that idiot.
13 posted on 09/12/2004 2:17:29 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: Socratic

Actually, it is a wait-and-see.

If the Rather controversy brings viewers (which CBS has been losing in droves), and that improves the Viacom bottom line, they will let Rather continue. When the Rather controversy shows signs of damaging the Viacom bottom line, Rather will be retired.

To quote Judge Judy, "Follow the money."


14 posted on 09/12/2004 2:20:15 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: luvbach1

Dan and CBS will stonewall, because it is their least-bad option.


15 posted on 09/12/2004 2:21:06 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: TomGuy
"Rather said the 'substance' of the memos is more important. Ellen 'ranting' Ratner yesterday and Juan William today both said the content is important, even if the documents are fakes."

I wonder if it will finally come to this:

Judge's instructions to the jury:

"Ladies and gentlemen, please remember that even if the defendant has been proven to have been lying, it is just as important to consider the content of his lies as it is to consider the weight of the truth."

17 posted on 09/12/2004 2:33:09 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: TomGuy
It took a village to raise that idiot.

LOL

Typeface BUMPmark.

18 posted on 09/12/2004 2:37:05 PM PDT by LTCJ (CBS, all your Boyd Cycles are belong to us.)
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To: TomGuy

Quite right - thus far I see no impact on the share price, will be interesting to see what the next week produces.

Remember folks, CBS News is a business, the P&L carries the most weight.


19 posted on 09/12/2004 2:39:02 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: TomGuy

"Actually, it is a wait-and-see."

I don't believe in wait -and-see. I believe in forcing the issue to the front so decisions to do what is right are made.


20 posted on 09/12/2004 2:39:19 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: litany_of_lies

When does Dan get kicked to the curb? Dan needs to go DOWN.


21 posted on 09/12/2004 2:40:47 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Robert357

Dan is a partisan, corrupt pr*ck. A great nation can't tolerate mendacity at this level. He needs to be destroyed by this.


22 posted on 09/12/2004 2:42:24 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: litany_of_lies
We cannot believe this guy. I have it on good authority that he once purchased a used car which had a republican bumber sticker on it.

Dan Rather..

23 posted on 09/12/2004 2:43:16 PM PDT by VRWC_minion ( I'll send email telling you where to send check.)
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To: Socratic

I meant that it is a 'wait and see' from Viacom's perspective. They want to see how their bottom line is being impacted before the do anything for or against.

As for Rather's credibility, I agree that the pressure (from the 'new media' --that be us, hehehe) should stay on him.


24 posted on 09/12/2004 2:44:09 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: TomGuy
Follow the money."

Actually, it could be a very good business move. To date, no network is fully serving the DU/Michael Moore population. They have a chance to corner that market.

25 posted on 09/12/2004 2:44:56 PM PDT by VRWC_minion ( I'll send email telling you where to send check.)
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To: litany_of_lies
Click the Graphic to View All FR 'Bump Lists'.

26 posted on 09/12/2004 2:45:34 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: litany_of_lies
Kirlian photography Establishes Authenticity of Killian Memos.

Following the successful testimony of "Unsolved Mysteries" rent-a-witness Marcel Matley , CBS News has now found that the auras of the Killian Memos are indeed in "a preponderance of harmony with the universe." "A guy over at AP first saw these auras as umbras and penumbras, issuing from the US Constitution. So, we decided to train our Kirlian cameras on the Killian Memos. We found them to be not only in a preponderance of harmony with the universe, but a very good match with Dan Rather's aura as well."

27 posted on 09/12/2004 2:46:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: RightField; Socratic; Bullish
Dan... Yeesh!!!!!

Dan Rather, Americas' village idiot.

"What is Rather holding over the heads of some higher ups that they are willing to destroy CBS rather than risking their own careers."

Yup, I agree with you folks completely Dan Rather has no shame.

What anoys and surprises me is that first it was 60 Minutes standing by the story, then it was CBS News standing by the story, and now it is the CBS Network that is standing by the story.

I can understand Rather being a jerk, I just find it hard to believe that the entire "network" wants to have its reputation sullied by this. But as suggested maybe he knows where some big skeletons in the closet are hidden at CBS.

28 posted on 09/12/2004 2:55:10 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: TomGuy

"...pressure (from the 'new media' --that be us, hehehe) should stay on him."

Got it.


29 posted on 09/12/2004 2:57:56 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: FredZarguna

"AP"

I knew it! I knew there would come a time when the AP would finally give us the straight unvarnished truth of the world. Thanks for this link.


30 posted on 09/12/2004 3:01:57 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: TomGuy
Rather said the 'substance' of the memos is more important. Ellen 'ranting' Ratner yesterday and Juan William today both said the content is important, even if the documents are fakes.

This is one of the many things that I find preposterous about this whole thing. I mean... if the documents were faked, then the content of the documents is also fake, right?

What am I missing here?

(if my italics worked, thanks for the html bootcamp to whoever posted it. I always wondered how everybody did that).

31 posted on 09/12/2004 3:06:02 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Starrgaizr
Dan and CBS will stonewall, because it is their least-bad option.

Not if the FBI gets involved. I think by the end of the week the technical arguments will be over. No one but idiots will support CBS. Certainly not professional forensic experts.

So then we will have a case of criminal forgery of a military document to influence a federal election. I suspect this is a tad illegal.

If democrats or news comentators continue pressing Bush on this he will ask the FBI to resolve the issue. Perhaps not soon, and probably not personally, but the RNC will eventually say enough, this is criminal.

It is to the pubbies advantage to spread the pain out over the longest possible time period.

32 posted on 09/12/2004 3:06:22 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: wyattearp
if the documents were faked, then the content of the documents is also fake, right?

Even more important, if the documents are fake, all of Rather's sources can be assumed to be liars.

33 posted on 09/12/2004 3:07:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: litany_of_lies
The True Type rendering, as precisly defined and repeatable as it is, is like a signature.

With the overlaid images available of the MS Word version of the memos, someone could probably numerically estimate the likelihood of some rendering technique other that True Type coming up with such a precise match.

So even though the nominal Times Roman font was developed decades ago, for anything other than True Type to render such a close match -- every curl, space, kern and all the other micro features -- is statisically nearly impossible.

Which means nothing if you are rather biased and really, really, really want it to be true!

Anyway, how about exactly one military document example from the 70's generated on anything but a military-issue typewriter.

34 posted on 09/12/2004 3:11:33 PM PDT by SiGeek
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To: js1138
Even more important, if the documents are fake, all of Rather's sources can be assumed to be liars.

But I thought that all of Rather's sources were already assumed to be... right... nevermind.

35 posted on 09/12/2004 3:13:21 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Socratic
I'm just hoping JRob doesn't reveal my true identity to the lawyers at Weekly World News. It occurred to me after posting the link that they've got grounds for a pretty serious defamation suit.

Let me amend the previous link. AP's official website can be found here. I apologize to WWN for comparing them with this sorry bunch.

36 posted on 09/12/2004 3:16:06 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: litany_of_lies
There is just one more slight problem. They are still missing something that is obvious -- time travel.

On the left: Janine Cooper is an artist and a friend of mine. I hired her to paint portraits of the chrononauts I described in Time Travelers From Our Future. Janine got her inspiration from her own subconscious, not from photos or movies. Traksa told me that he telepathically directed her in each of the portraits, especially this one -- Traksa himself. The actual photographs of Traksa and the three other time travelers groups presented in my book Time Travelers From Our Future are available. Collect all four time traveler art magnets for $3.00 each (including postage & handling) or four for $10.00. Jannine Cooper's original artwork also is available. For a full color book of Janine Cooper's oil paintings, please send $10.00 check or money order to: Janine Cooper, P.O. Box 801931, Santa Clarita, CA 91380

37 posted on 09/12/2004 3:18:15 PM PDT by doug from upland (Dan Rather is a journalist like Michael Moore is a pole vaulter.)
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To: litany_of_lies

BREAKING...

Document forging cousins of Dan Rather admit prank
played on anchorman at family reunion. Their claim -
"We never thought he'd fall for it - then it kinda got
legs"... wish to extend apologies to CBS...


38 posted on 09/12/2004 3:29:30 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: FredZarguna

"Let me amend the previous link. AP's official website can be found here."

LOL (Although I liked the original link better).


39 posted on 09/12/2004 3:42:35 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: badgerlandjim

My brother and I categorically deny even knowing Mr. Rather and thoroughly resent your scurillous accusations!


40 posted on 09/12/2004 3:53:22 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: Socratic

You two have been busted! LOL


41 posted on 09/12/2004 3:59:31 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: Bullish

Why aren't the republicans screaming about this and if the morning talk show ignored it was didn't the republicans that were guests bring it up.


42 posted on 09/12/2004 4:08:26 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: TomGuy

Ellen looks like a rat,sorry but she does


43 posted on 09/12/2004 4:09:39 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: litany_of_lies

It is all a very clever tie-in for an upcoming episode of Stargate SG-1 , where Dan Rather will make a guest appearance.


44 posted on 09/12/2004 4:10:47 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Socratic
"What is Rather holding over the heads of some higher ups that they are willing to destroy CBS rather than risking their own careers. It is obvious now that Rather is being protected to the detriment of the shareholders of CBS."

This has been bothering me as well. I expected that even if no one at CBS news would stand against Rather, somewhere farther up the corporate chain there would be somebody with self-preservation instincts who would take steps to toss Rather overboard before he could do any more damage.

The only thing I can figure is that the corporate lawyers have told them that the damage Rather has already done is so bad that there is nothing to gain by trying to get out from under and their only chance is to try to whether the storm and hope that they can avoid indictment.

I think that they will succeed unless somebody in the justice system has balls enough to take this to a Grand Jury.

45 posted on 09/12/2004 4:21:24 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: All

Did anybody who has an Apple try to do an ovelay like we have
seen in MS word?


46 posted on 09/12/2004 4:22:28 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: litany_of_lies

Let's face it. There is no more room in the coffin for any more nails. The Navy's complaining that it's skewing their Magnetic Anomaly Detectors already.


47 posted on 09/12/2004 4:24:26 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: badgerlandjim

Now that's funny.


48 posted on 09/12/2004 4:27:32 PM PDT by keats5
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To: litany_of_lies

Ironic how Kerry-supporting, Bush-bashing documents could be refuted because of patents and technology developed by Apple Computers... whose CEO supports John Kerry and the Democratic Party.


49 posted on 09/12/2004 4:27:50 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: patriciamary
Hannity and the other Conservative radio shows have been hammering this story, as they should. Along with the blogosphere it's getting some pretty fast legs.

All the Republicans have to do is sit back and enjoy the laughingstock CBS and Danny boy are making of themselves.
50 posted on 09/12/2004 4:37:34 PM PDT by Bullish
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