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Indisputable Proof the CBS/Rather Memos are Forgeries!
FlounderCraft Ltd. ^ | JOSEPH M. NEWCOMER, PH.D.

Posted on 09/12/2004 11:37:49 PM PDT by AKSurprise

"I am one of the pioneers of electronic typesetting. I was doing work with computer typesetting technology in 1972 (it actually started in late 1969), and I personally created one of the earliest typesetting programs for what later became laser printers, personally created computer fonts, and helped create programs that created computer fonts."

"I was a certified Adobe PostScript developer"

" I have written about Microsoft Windows font technology in a book I co-authored, and taught courses in it. I therefore assert that I am a qualified expert in computer typography."

"The probability that any technology in existence in 1972 would be capable of producing a document that is nearly pixel-compatible with Microsoft’s Times New Roman font and the formatting of Microsoft Word, and that such technology was in casual use at the Texas Air National Guard, is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero."

"Based on the fact that I was able, in less than five minutes, to replicate one of the experiments: to type in the text of the 01-August-1972 memo into Microsoft Word and get a document so close to the “authentic” document and see virtually no errors, I can assert without any doubt (as have many others) that this document is a modern forgery. Any other position is indefensible. I was a bit annoyed that the experiment dealing with the 18-August-1973 memo was not compatible, until I changed the font to an 11.5-point font. Then it was a perfect match, including the superscript “th”."

"I do not believe a typesetting program or typesetting technology that worked in fractional point sizes could have existed in 1972 or 1973."

(Excerpt) Read more at flounder.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1972; cbs; cbsnews; danrather; dirtytricks; docugate; font; fonts; forgeries; forgery; killian; memo; memogate; memos; mudslinging; rather; timesnewroman; timesroman
Sorry if this is long, I tried to highlight the important parts of this document, however if you want further details check the site with the link I provided. The author does side by side extremely detailed comparisons of Microsoft Word print outs and the CBS/Rather memos. They are identical.
1 posted on 09/12/2004 11:37:50 PM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: AKSurprise

Already posted, but more exposure is better. One of the best articles I've read on this mess, and it's by no means long. I think it's about medium length with pictures.


2 posted on 09/12/2004 11:38:43 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals want "anyone but Bush." Tell them you're voting for Ashcroft. Watch them cringe.)
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To: AKSurprise

thanks for posting this - you (and J. Newcomer, PhD) just won an argument for me


3 posted on 09/12/2004 11:49:46 PM PDT by King Prout (civilization is a veneereal disease)
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To: AKSurprise

You're all wet here. Time Magazine has produced a former typewriter repairman who says they're real, lol.


4 posted on 09/12/2004 11:51:15 PM PDT by Tom_Busch (Vote Bush/Cheney in 2004)
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To: AKSurprise; ambrose; Grampa Dave

Thanks.

It's just as likely that a chimp could type out a Shakespeare sonnet, as Killian could have "happened" to type memos in the 2004 MS Word default settings in 1972.


5 posted on 09/12/2004 11:52:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: AKSurprise

dragadollahthruahightechwondahlan'an'thisiswhatchagonnaget:trailahtrash!at'sright!CompletelydiscreditedCOMPLETELYDISCREDITED. dirtytrickin'GeorgeBushanattrainedintestineCarl"hitman"Rove...UNAMERICANcrim'nals!

6 posted on 09/12/2004 11:55:39 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX"> Kerry to Soros: "Bling it on!")
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To: AKSurprise

The 11.5 point font problem is probably due to the fact that copiers often reduce the size of copies slightly. I'm sure the orginal is in 12 point.


7 posted on 09/12/2004 11:57:49 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Tom_Busch

Yes, but CBS has redundant systems for verifying all that it broadcasts. The Internet does not. So there.


8 posted on 09/13/2004 12:04:31 AM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: AKSurprise

An excellent analysis by a REAL expert on text font imaging.


9 posted on 09/13/2004 12:07:24 AM PDT by NilesJo
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To: John Jamieson
The 11.5 point font problem is probably due to the fact that copiers often reduce the size of copies slightly. I'm sure the orginal is in 12 point.

Or the counterfeiter was attempting a simple-minded scaling alteration to escape the obvious alignment with MS-Word 12-point TNR font.

10 posted on 09/13/2004 12:11:20 AM PDT by NilesJo
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To: AKSurprise

Thanks! Now I know why my story about being a freeper confounded my parents when I was a kid back in the 50's.


11 posted on 09/13/2004 12:18:40 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: AKSurprise
Icing on the Cake.
I used Photoshop filters to distort the Word document, and the letters became indistinguishable from the CBS fake.

The filter that was key was the "sharpen edges" filter. alternating that filter with "Gaussian blur", throwing in some noise, and reducing and restoring the pixel resolution, all combined to emphasize the tails of the letters, and reproduce several interesting characteristics of the CBS memo. For example, some of the capital "I"s and "H"s have a funny 'y' shape at the top, which was reproduced.

I had assumed that the letters were degraded by faxing, but I so impressed myself with photoshop, I'm now wondering if CBS also used photoshop.

I don't have a website to post the results on, but if you do, I send you my gifs. . .
12 posted on 09/13/2004 12:18:41 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve
Unfortunately I do not have a website I could post your experiements on, however try sending them to:

newcomer@flounder.com
or
simberg@transterrestrial.com

Both websites could probably post them or direct you or the photos to those who can.
13 posted on 09/13/2004 12:33:02 AM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: John Jamieson
The 11.5 point font problem is probably due to the fact that copiers often reduce the size of copies slightly. I'm sure the orginal is in 12 point.

I'm glad you pointed that out. I was begining to wonder why someone would go through all the trouble to create these phony documents and then use a bizzare font size.

14 posted on 09/13/2004 1:26:54 AM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Neo-Con Bushbot.)
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To: Born to Conserve
When I open both the CBS and USA Today memos in the Full version of Acrobat 6, I get a notice indicating that the document was created using the Adobe Photoshop family of products.

The CBS memos were created with Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for windows on 9-8-04. The document properties indicate that the page sizes were 13.89 x 18.19 (BushGuardmay4.pdf) 13.89 x 18.17 (BushGuardaugust18.pdf) 13.89 x 16.54 (BushGuardaugust1.pdf)13.89 x 18.1 (BushGuardmay19.pdf).

The USA Today file was created on 9-9-04 using Acrobat 6.0 Image Conversion Plug-in and the document properties indicate the page size was 8.31 x 10.36.

That probably doesn't mean much.

But there are some questions raised by these 2 sets of memos.

The CBS version has the address blocked out on the 4 May memo but the USA Today does not.

The CBS version of the 19 May memo has parts underlined but the USA Today version does not.

So who blacked out the address and added the underlines? Did CBS do that or are there different "versions" of the memos in circulation. If, as it seems, there are different versions of the memos then that would indicate that the documents are not real.

In any event I believe that CBS owes an explanation as to whether the documents they broadcast have been "altered" in anyway from how they received them. It would also seem to indicate that if CBS did not alter them then they were altered by the person or persons who gave them to CBS. This would not have been someone with the "original" because they would have provided a clean copy to CBS. CBS has to be dealing with at least a 3rd generation copy. (Although I believe they are claiming that they have a 1st generation copy)

The USA Today documents appear to be an earlier generation of the documents since they do not have the markings that appear on the CBS documents and there is a lot less "noise" in them. An analysis of the noise patterns should help determine if these two copies came from the same source document.
15 posted on 09/13/2004 1:34:02 AM PDT by GOP Lawyer
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To: AKSurprise
"The probability that any technology in existence in 1972 would be capable of producing a document that is nearly pixel-compatible with Microsoft’s Times New Roman font and the formatting of Microsoft Word, and that such technology was in casual use at the Texas Air National Guard, is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero."

Damn amateur bloggers... they write this garbage in their pajamas. They have nothing even close to the standards that exist at reputable news organizations like CBS. They're nothing but partisan liars who will say anything to help their man get re-elected. </rather>

16 posted on 09/13/2004 1:34:57 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: GOP Lawyer; Once-Ler; Born to Conserve; NilesJo; John Jamieson; King Prout; AKSurprise
Have you seen this?

Be sure to have your speakers on for the end.
17 posted on 09/13/2004 1:39:39 AM PDT by demkicker (I'm Ra th er sick of Dan)
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To: AKSurprise

THIS also proves the Kerry camp will be visiting antique
stores and buying up 1972 vintage typewriters.

NEXT TIME, they will make nearly perfect forgeries!!!


18 posted on 09/13/2004 1:52:21 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: demkicker
Here is a LARGE (331k) animated gif of three frames:
http://img18.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img18&image=blinkfake3.gif
1. The CBS memo (clean border, crappy font)
2. The Word original (clean border, clean font)
3. The Word original, filtered with Photoshop (crappy border, crappy font)

I used Photoshop's blur and edge sharpen filters repeatedly, and the noise filter once. I also reduced and enlarged the resolution once, and adjusted the brightness and contrast a few times in the process.

Note the 'y' shapes of the capital 'H's and 'I's.
Note the two bumps on the bottom of the 'B' in "Bush's OETR".

I thought that most of the degradation of the CBS memo was from faxing, but maybe they just filtered it like I did.
19 posted on 09/13/2004 1:55:48 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: AKSurprise

Dan Rather used the forged documents to help the Kerry campaign, but though nobody would investigate their authenticity. He should resign immediately.


20 posted on 09/13/2004 2:01:11 AM PDT by Reader of news
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To: Dubya's fan

Fat chance of that happening, he's going to hold on to that anchor desk until it's pried from his "Cold Dead hands" LOL!!! The guy should have retired 13 years ago.


21 posted on 09/13/2004 2:04:31 AM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: AKSurprise
is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero."

NOTE TO CBS: there is still a small chance. Hang in there.

22 posted on 09/13/2004 2:06:55 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: AKSurprise

Dude, whatever. He's just a Newcomer.


23 posted on 09/13/2004 3:32:39 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: AKSurprise; MeekOneGOP; devolve; PhilDragoo; potlatch; Smartass; JohnHuang2; Mia T
Modern FORGERY (Courteousy of Dan Rather and CBS) - ping.

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"The probability that any technology in existence in 1972 would be capable of producing a document that is nearly pixel-compatible with Microsoft’s Times New Roman font and the formatting of Microsoft Word, and that such technology was in casual use at the Texas Air National Guard, is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero."


24 posted on 09/13/2004 3:36:08 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (51 days until November 2nd)
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To: AKSurprise

CBS (Communist Bull Sh*t) should lose its license to broadcast over this. This is fraud which amounts to election tampering. I'm going to complain to the FCC and to CBS's sponsors as well.


25 posted on 09/13/2004 3:39:16 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: AKSurprise

Great explanation of the forgeries presented by C BS and Blather.

When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans?


26 posted on 09/13/2004 6:47:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: Happy2BMe; AKSurprise
Yay! More proof to expose Dan Blather's BS as See BS!

I hit your link, AKSurprise, and got a site with THIS note on it:


My ISP has complained that this page is so popular that it has caused them serious problems, and took the page down. I will happily move the contents to any site that volunteers to host this page, and can give me an FTP link by which I can upload the page and its images.

You can contact me at newcomer@flounder.com if you can host this page.


Considering the topic, I'm NOT surprised! May Dan Blather burn in hades!


27 posted on 09/13/2004 9:26:50 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

I just checked the link, it seems to be working again.


28 posted on 09/13/2004 9:38:39 AM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: Born to Conserve

sounds interesting, but I cant see your .gif file.

it just looks like a blinking horizontal bar to me


29 posted on 09/13/2004 10:18:22 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Born to Conserve
sounds interesting, but I cant see your .gif file.

it just looks like a blinking horizontal bar to me

I will try to insert it here, see if that looks any better

30 posted on 09/13/2004 10:20:15 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: AKSurprise
Really? Wow, that's wild. I hit it just now and got the same as before. :^(

I guess I'll add this to my "Strange mysteries of the Internet" collection, I guess. :^)


31 posted on 09/13/2004 10:21:21 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: newgeezer

For your liberal cubemate.


32 posted on 09/13/2004 10:21:54 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: FL_engineer

Did you try scrolling down?
You should not post huge pictures directly in the thread, or people with modems will throw fits.


33 posted on 09/13/2004 10:27:06 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: xm177e2
Damn amateur bloggers

Accoring to Safire in today's Times it's: opinionated bloggers - but straight journalists!

34 posted on 09/13/2004 10:31:06 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Born to Conserve

ok I see what it is now. It just looked like a broken picture
before. Do you know why that animation seems to show 3 images? One is obviously a newly typed version of the
document.

what are the other two?


35 posted on 09/13/2004 4:19:01 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer

never mind, I read backwards and see you already described the anim.


36 posted on 09/13/2004 4:20:05 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: AKSurprise

bump


37 posted on 09/13/2004 4:21:28 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Dubya's fan

>>Dan Rather used the forged documents to help the Kerry campaign, but though nobody would investigate their authenticity. He should resign immediately.


Like I said many times in the past... VIACOM is the root of all this evil, and needs to be brought down.


38 posted on 09/13/2004 4:22:55 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: AKSurprise

Mayor Daley's boys didn't beat him bad enough back in 68.


39 posted on 09/13/2004 4:24:02 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: AKSurprise

BREAKING...

CBS NEWS DIVISION RUMORED TO BE IN NEGOTIATIONS
TO PURCHASE NYC LANDMARK...


40 posted on 09/13/2004 4:28:46 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Try this:

http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm

41 posted on 09/13/2004 4:31:30 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
CBS lied and Kerry Fried

See BS, hear BS, speak BS

Visit the CBS Take Action Site!

List of sponsors, emails, and more...

Make your voice heard here, where it hurt$.

42 posted on 09/13/2004 4:34:30 PM PDT by granite (IT IS UP TO US NOW.)
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To: FL_engineer

look at (read) post 19.


43 posted on 09/13/2004 6:53:27 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: savedbygrace
Yeah! That's the ticket! Thanks.

44 posted on 09/13/2004 7:59:42 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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