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CBS Producer Who Obtained Questionable Guard Documents Identified
Talon News ^ | 9/13/2004 | Jeff Gannon, White House Correspondent

Posted on 09/13/2004 6:12:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMajority

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- Mary Mapes, a Dallas-based producer for CBS, has been identified by Talon News sources as the person who obtained the documents that suggest President George W. Bush did not fulfill his National Guard obligations 30 years ago. The documents, which have been judged to be forgeries by many news services and forensics experts, are at the center of a scandal that threatens the credibility of the network.

Late Friday, CBS spokesperson Kelli Edwards confirmed to Talon News that it was Mapes that obtained the documents but refused to comment on the questions surrounding their authenticity. Mapes did not respond to Talon News requests for comment.

During Friday's network news broadcast, anchor Dan Rather defended the four pages he claims were written by Bush's superior officer at the Texas Air Guard, Lt. Colonel Jerry Killian. Rather talked with handwriting expert Marcel Matley who said that on the basis of his analysis of the signatures, he is pronouncing the documents to be authentic. Not all of the pages carry Killian's signature.

Two others were interviewed for the segment. Robert Strong, an administrative officer for the Texas Air Guard during the Vietnam era, who vouched for the documents.

Author James Moore, a Bush antagonist, said, "They are absolutely consistent with the records as I know it."

Rather dismissed his critics, saying, "Today, on the Internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story."

But glaring omissions marred Rather piece. On Friday, Killian's son Gary told nationally syndicated talk-show host Sean Hannity that Mary Mapes had contacted him before CBS ran the story. He said that he warned her that the documents might be forgeries.

Following the broadcast, Talon News asked Edwards why Killian's son and wife weren't mentioned during the broadcast.

She said, "I'm not going to debate every aspect of the story. We stand by the piece."

Killian's widow, Marjorie Connell, told ABC Radio News, "The wording in these documents is very suspect to me. ... I just can't believe these are his words."

Connell said that her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow Guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Connell said that her late husband was a fan of the young Bush.

She stated, "I know for a fact that this young man ... was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Rufus Martin, the personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time told CNN, "They looked to me like forgeries. ... I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years."

Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor, told ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. He said that CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "Well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges believes the documents are frauds.

Doubts were being openly debated on rival networks. ABC News reported that they contacted more than a half dozen document experts who said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication, told ABC, "These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973."

He continued, "The cumulative evidence that's available ... indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter."

CNN contacted independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines who said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines is a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. She pointed to a superscript -- a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" -- as evidence indicating forgery.

After reviewing copies of the documents at her office in Paradise Valley, Arizona, Line said, "I'm virtually certain these were computer generated."

One expert counts at least 50 points that suggest the documents are forgeries.

The White House is remaining neutral on the documents' authenticity.

Press Secretary Scott McClellan said Friday, "We don't know whether the documents were fabricated or are authentic. The media has talked to independent experts who have raised questions about the documents."

He pointed out that CBS has not disclosed the source of the documents.

Newsweek is suggesting that Mapes received the documents from Bill Burkett, who it describes as a disgruntled former Guard officer. The magazine reports that Mapes flew to Texas to interview him.

If the documents are proven to be forgeries, the scandal would go to the highest level of CBS news. Talon News sources say that Jim Murphy, Executive Producer of the CBS Evening News, approves virtually every word that goes on the air. "60 Minutes II" Executive Producer Jeffrey Fager would also be on the endangered list, since his show originated the document story.

But more likely it would be Mapes who would take the fall along with Janet Leissner, the Washington Bureau Chief for CBS News. Leissner orchestrated the interview with White House communications director Dan Bartlett during which he was confronted with the suspect documents. Dan Rather was originally scheduled to do the interview, but White House correspondent John Roberts was substituted at the last minute for an unknown reason.

Mapes is no stranger to controversy as she also obtained the photographs of inmate abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. The source of the photographs as well as the documents now in question has never been revealed.

In 1999 Mapes was threatened with imprisonment if she failed to turn over the transcript of an interview that Dan Rather conducted with the third defendant being tried for murder in the dragging death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. CBS ultimately complied with the court's demand for the information.

Copyright © 2004 Talon News -- All rights reserved.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; cbsnews; forgery; fraud; killian; marymapes; rather
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1 posted on 09/13/2004 6:12:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMajority
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To: ConservativeMajority
If the documents are proven to be forgeries, the scandal would go to the highest level of CBS news.

The have been proven forgeries.

2 posted on 09/13/2004 6:15:46 AM PDT by demlosers (51 days left until the Kerry campaign is put out of its misery.)
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To: ConservativeMajority
Rather talked with handwriting expert Marcel Matley who said that on the basis of his analysis of the signatures, he is pronouncing the documents to be authentic.

I believe Mately is the one who analysed the Vince Foster suicide note and pronounced it authentic.

3 posted on 09/13/2004 6:16:45 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: ConservativeMajority

Snooze, lose.

The Mary Mapes name came out over the weekend.

Gannon wouldn't release the article until Monday. Other sources revealed it over the weekend.

This, in the age of electronic information, is old news.


4 posted on 09/13/2004 6:17:51 AM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: reformed_democrat
I believe Mately is the one who analysed the Vince Foster suicide note and pronounced it authentic.

Yes he did. Matley was one of five experts on an episode of "Unsolved Mysteries" in 1996. He was the only one to say the note was authentic, the others said it was a FORGERY.

Marcel Matley ..... the Famie Malak of documentation.

5 posted on 09/13/2004 6:20:33 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: TomGuy

Actually, to give credit where it is due, Hannity had it ON THE AIR, Sometime last week.


6 posted on 09/13/2004 6:20:57 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: reformed_democrat

That's correct. Two other handwriting experts disputed the claim of the note being Foster's.

Matley also refuted Kurt Cobain's suicide note as false. Went against two other experts on this one also.

Matley "blows with the wind".


7 posted on 09/13/2004 6:21:05 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: reformed_democrat

Fahmy Malak -- correction.


8 posted on 09/13/2004 6:22:20 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: ConservativeMajority
"Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor, told ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. He said that CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, 'Well if he wrote them that's what he felt.'"

Well, that's kinda huge. So what CBS did was not necessarily verify the documents through Hodges, but instead verified Killian's veracity. Hodge's said "if he wrote them", and CBS reported it as "he wrote them."

9 posted on 09/13/2004 6:22:49 AM PDT by Freemyland
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To: hobbes1

If you listened to Hannity on Friday, he gave credit to Gannon for providing the tip.


10 posted on 09/13/2004 6:23:18 AM PDT by ConservativeMajority
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To: ConservativeMajority
Ahhh . . . here we go:
Then the program turned to Marcel Matley, identified as a "handwriting examiner" with no further credentials given, who offered his opinion that the "suicide" note is genuine. Matley believes that the "deteriorated copy" of the note.... that is, it's been copied over too many times.... and the "stress" Foster was presumably under account for the differences in handwriting. He then went on to show how Foster used different styles of letters in the genuine samples, such as both cursive and block letter "s", for example, and how the same multiple styles appear in the note; and from this he concluded that the same person wrote both the note and the samples known to be genuine.
From The Contrarian's View, Vol. X, #8, March 29, 1996 .
11 posted on 09/13/2004 6:24:47 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: ConservativeMajority

65 reasons documents are false


12 posted on 09/13/2004 6:25:16 AM PDT by vanburen
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Matley "blows with the wind".

Too true.

If he was one of ours, he'd have been hung out to dry long ago.

13 posted on 09/13/2004 6:26:19 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: ConservativeMajority

"He pointed out that CBS has not disclosed the source of the documents. "

Let's see -

James Carville ???

Terry McAuliffe???

Teresa Heinz Kerry ??? (Nahh, she probably hasn't the brains to operate a computer, let alone know any word-processing programs.)

Edwards?? (Nahh, he's an attorney - lying is his profession. He wouldn't screw something like this up.)

Kerry?? (Nahh. He hasn't got the imagination.)

I think it was probably Carville, McAuliffe. one of theirt creatures .... OR, an agent of CBS itself.


14 posted on 09/13/2004 6:27:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: viaveritasvita

Read later - send to private email distribution.


15 posted on 09/13/2004 6:33:06 AM PDT by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: beyond the sea
I'd forgotten about him -- Fahmy Malak, Bill Clinton's personal state medical examiner.

It's becoming apparent that every time an "expert" testifies in favor of a democrat, that expert is covering up something.

16 posted on 09/13/2004 6:33:48 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: ConservativeMajority

"..Mapes was threatened with imprisonment if she failed to turn over the transcript..."


The Society of Professional Journalists gave her the 2000 First Amendment Award for her stand against a district judge's order to turn over tapes of the interview of CBS news magazine "60 Minutes II" with murder defendant Shawn Allen.


17 posted on 09/13/2004 6:41:22 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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To: ConservativeMajority

Washington Prowler
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By The Prowler
Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM


More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.

According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."

A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."

ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.



http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096


18 posted on 09/13/2004 6:42:22 AM PDT by MistyCA
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To: OXENinFLA
OK .. lets try this over here

"60 Minutes II" Executive Producer Jeffrey Fager would also be on the endangered list, since his show originated the document story.

Jeffrey Fager Bio - (CBS) Jeffrey Fager became executive producer of 60 Minutes in June 2004. Before that, he had served as executive producer of 60 Minutes II since July 1998.

And guess what other story Fager was involved with

Go head .. take a guess

19 posted on 09/13/2004 6:45:32 AM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: MistyCA

The last line proove the DNC IS the looney left.


20 posted on 09/13/2004 6:46:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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