[theFIRMbss]

>All of their arguments are false unless they are willing to argue the facts and show that the worst is not transpiring before our eyes. But as anyone with an open eye, forget and open mind at this point, can see the facts speak for themselves. The reality doesn’t get anymore blunt than this, well..... maybe with the exception of having all out war ... DarkWaters

Reality gives everyone plenty of facts to make sense out of. There are always facts enough going around to support any view. With three thousand dead in New York, and three hundred kids dead is Russia, those two facts alone can support the argument we have all out war. And when you look at how badly politicians manage hot warfare, I don't think it's clear "democracy" is the best government for war.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You forgot the 40,000 kids killed by Russia in Chechnya?

The loudest facts are the ones everyone hides from the light of day.

[ninenot]

Lincoln certainly didn't bother too much with Constitutional restrictions in prosecuting the Civil War--and in illegally jailing certain critics of same.

Wilson ignored the hoi polloi when he marched the doughboys off to the European slaughterhouse in WWI.

And FDR didn't mind a few large lies which were helpful in bringing the USA into WWII. Although they didn't work, it is STILL speculated that the Pearl Harbor thing was 'benignly neglected' by FDR's White House while it was still preventable.