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Federal agents surround ranch in Douglas, Arizona(VIDEO!)
KVOA-TV-Tucson/AP ^ | September 16, 2004 at 5:00PM MST | KVOA-TV-Tucson/AP

Posted on 09/16/2004 10:16:04 PM PDT by Conservative Firster

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To: texasflower
" Regardless of history, when they refused to stop they broke the law

Please note that the BORDER PATROL attempted to pull over Nethercott, the victim was at the ranch and is named Riddl(ed now). Based on the BP statements, "According to the warrant, Nethercott refused to pull over for Border Patrol agents on Aug. 31. After a slow-speed chase, the warrant said that Nethercott entered "a compound in Douglas occupied by members of Ranch Rescue." Riddle was identified as one of the people there." Now follow the ball and related to Nethercott. Remember, the other was Riddl(ed)after the BP got the FBI to serve the arrest warrant. Before the confrontation: 1.) Please give me a citation where it says a citizen, Nethercott, has to stop when told to do so by a Federal Agent, the Border Patrol. (The illegals don't and if they do, they aren't arrested.) 2.) Please cite the section of law that says the BP had a right to perform an attempted Felony Car Stop, in order to ? (not stated)

Clue, we were not dealing with an arrest warrant at the time the BP attempted to pull over Nethercott.

201 posted on 09/18/2004 7:12:12 PM PDT by Henchman (Vote Communist - elect Kerry!)
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To: Henchman

I refuse to play this game with you.


202 posted on 09/18/2004 7:17:01 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: _Jim
Reaching for a loaded firearm... NOT STATED. (At least you said "Maybe") If that were the case, why wasn't it stated. Seems the FBI spokesperson indicated that there was an action by both Nethercott & Riddl(ed). The action was not stated. "Why" is the point, and the reality=? There was no justification for the shooting stated in the FBI PR.

Please note that the article also says that Riddl(ed) was taken to the hospital. Nethercott was arrested. It is not stated that Riddl(ed) was arrested, WHY?

Riddl(ed) may have been reaching to "scratch his ..." but the article doesn't say. It doesn't mention any gun with respect to Riddl(ed). The group may have been heavily armed, but was Riddl(ed)? If there is a PR, then it should have stated something to the effect of (select a few):
a. He reached for a firearm.
b. He reached for a loaded firearm (as opposed to supposing it was loaded)
c. Riddl(ed) was armed.
d. Riddl(ed) was arrested for ...

Well what are the FACTS? Not stated. Yes, there is a presumption in law that Agents are presumed to be doing their duty; but that is all they have going for them in this article. There is an absence of fact.

Instead of writing in red why not just read. Remember, they are not called Famous But Incompetant for nothing.

203 posted on 09/18/2004 7:37:08 PM PDT by Henchman (Vote Communist - elect Kerry!)
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To: texasflower

No game & no basis for your position. Case closed


204 posted on 09/18/2004 7:38:07 PM PDT by Henchman (Vote Communist - elect Kerry!)
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To: texasflower

Link to anything negative I've ever said about the Border Patrol Agents or shut up, you liar.


205 posted on 09/18/2004 8:47:22 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: texasflower

You're doing one heck of a job. It appears some texas flowers have thorns! Good for you.


206 posted on 09/18/2004 8:48:40 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson; texasflower

And some Texas flowers just stink up the place.


207 posted on 09/18/2004 8:54:29 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom; texasflower

Some do...she's a breath of fresh air however.


208 posted on 09/18/2004 8:59:53 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Henchman

As you wish.


209 posted on 09/18/2004 9:24:50 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: 4Freedom
Link to anything negative I've ever said about the Border Patrol Agents

Although I am very flattered by all of this attention from you, there is one thing that you do not seem to understand.

You, and your positions are not interesting enough to me to warrant researching your previous posts.

This is a fun game. How long are we going to play?

210 posted on 09/18/2004 9:31:14 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: CWOJackson

Thank you kind sir. :)


211 posted on 09/18/2004 9:32:00 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: 4Freedom
Thank you for the info! It led to a gold mine.

I know that home ownership by ILLEGAL aliens is not germane on this current thread.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/972485/posts?q=1&&page=1

But this old thread contains a column by Michelle Malkin with very useful info. Get this

"The Denver metro area alone accounted for 20,000 to 40,000 of the FHA-approved loans for suspected illegal aliens. 'Even if a small percentage of the loans were foreclosed, HUD could be bankrupted,' the homeland security official said. . .

"A spokeswoman for the U.S. General Accounting Office told me this week that the agency's office of special investigations plans to report on the results of the probe later this fall. But 'considering the size of Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Houston, and other large cities throughout the United States known to be inundated with illegal aliens,' says my source, 'I don't think the federal government is willing to expose this problem for financial reasons as well as for fear of political repercussions.'" [End excerpt]

You see, Federal Housing Administration-approved loans through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development do not require lenders to obtain proof of citizenship or legal permanent residence. These FHA/HUD programs, primarily targeting minorities and first-time homebuyers, are federally insured and require minimal down payments.

Throw in USDA's rural housing programs, too.

On second thought, Ms Malkin's column is germane to this thread.

HUD could be bankrupted?! The federal government is NOT willing to expose this problem for financial reasons as well as for fear of political repercussions?!

Folks, the Border Patrol is superfluous. Those who support its mission to protect the borders are enemies of the state's economic wellbeing. Assume the French troops' position. Stick a fork in us. . . .

It's not just "cheap" labor and votes.

212 posted on 09/18/2004 9:45:45 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: texasflower
"All you want to do is bad mouth them. I'm sick and tired of it."

Link, please.

I'm "sick and tired" of your lies.

213 posted on 09/18/2004 9:48:57 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Conservative Firster
Ranch Rescue and several other unauthorized groups have...

Ranch Rescue operates on private property with full permission and support from the property owners. I believe that would make these groups, oh i dont know, AUTHORIZED!

/grumble..grumble...idiot journalist...grumbles

214 posted on 09/18/2004 9:51:08 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Depends on what "heavily armed" means.

They have been doing reports on Soldier Of Fortune. They use fully legal, semiauto, AR-15's.

215 posted on 09/18/2004 9:55:54 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
If all the illegal aliens deport themselves tomorrow, HUD will be bankrupted.

If all the illegal aliens are allowed to stay, our whole country will be bankrupted.

We're almost $50 trillion dollars in debt as a Nation, now.

216 posted on 09/18/2004 9:57:41 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom

Hi darling. I was missing you.

Let's try this again. I'm not interested, but this is really a great game.

What time will you be going to bed? That way I don't get my feelings hurt when I don't hear from you for like 20 minutes.

Kiss, Kiss.


217 posted on 09/18/2004 10:09:55 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: texasflower

Link please or shut up, liar.


218 posted on 09/18/2004 10:39:43 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom

Why don't you stop talking to me then darling? I wouldn't enjoy being mocked like this.

Why are you letting me do it to you?

Why don't you just stay over there on the Nazi thread about these two fine young men?

But, if you just can't stop thinking of me, then I'll talk to you a little later.

Kisses.


219 posted on 09/18/2004 10:43:58 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: _Jim

Good point. Ruby Ridge happened under GHW Bush.


220 posted on 09/18/2004 11:32:53 PM PDT by I got the rope (HEY KERRY...I'M AN ON-BRINGER)
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