Posted on 09/18/2004 3:26:13 PM PDT by CometBaby
AUSTIN, Texas - A retired Texas National Guard official mentioned as a possible source for disputed documents about President Bush (news - web sites)'s service in the Guard said he passed along information to a former senator working with John Kerry (news - web sites)'s campaign. Also Saturday, a White House official said Bush has reviewed disputed documents that purport to show he refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972 and did not recall having seen them previously.
The long-running story on Bush's Texas Air National Guard service took an unusual twist when CBS broadcast a report on what it said were the newly discovered records. The authenticity of the documents has come into doubt.
In his first public comment on the CBS documents controversy, the president told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H., "There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered."
The retired Guard official, Bill Burkett, said in an Aug. 21 e-mail to a list of Texas Democrats that after getting through "seven layers of bureaucratic kids" in the Democrat's campaign, he talked with former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland about information that would counter criticism of Kerry's Vietnam War service. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the e-mail Saturday.
"I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. (Cleland) said counterattack. So I gave them the information to do it with," Burkett wrote.
Burkett, who lives just outside of Abilene, wrote that no one at the Kerry campaign called him back.
The e-mail was distributed to a Yahoo list of Texas Democrats. The site, which had about 570 members Saturday, is not affiliated with the state party.
Republican National Committee (news - web sites) spokesman Jim Dyke suggested collaboration between Burkett and the Kerry campaign. "The trail of connections is becoming increasingly clear," he said.
In the telephone interview published Saturday, Bush replied "I don't know" to a question whether the White House had evidence that either the Kerry campaign or the Democratic Party were involved in releasing the disputed papers.
"The Kerry campaign had absolutely nothing to do with these documents, no ifs, ands or buts," spokesman David Wade said. "Jim Dyke inhabits the fantasy world of spin where George Bush (news - web sites) pretends we haven't lost millions of jobs and everything in Iraq (news - web sites) is coming up roses. He'd be better served getting answers from the president, not hurling baseless attacks."
Burkett, who identifies himself as a Democrat, did not return several phone messages left by The Associated Press over the past week. There was no answer at his telephone number Saturday.
Burkett's lawyer, David Van Os, a Democratic candidate for the Texas Supreme Court, issued a statement this week saying Burkett "no longer trusts any possible outcome of speaking to the press on any issue regarding George W. Bush."
Burkett, who retired from the National Guard in 1999, has been cited in media reports as a source for the CBS News "60 Minutes" story about documents allegedly written by one of Bush's former commanders that indicated the future president ignored an order to take a physical.
The authenticity of the documents has been called into question by some experts and relatives of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who supposedly wrote them when he supervised Bush in 1972 and 1973. One of the memos indicated that Killian had been pressured to sugarcoat Bush's performance.
CBS has stood by its reporting, but said the network would redouble its efforts to determine the authenticity of the documents.
Leading operatives for the Texas Democratic Party did not receive Burkett's August e-mail, said Kelly Fero, one of the state party's strategists.
"The Democrats who run the party and are sort of the main strategists in Texas never saw it," Fero said. "We have lots of groups of Democrats who communicate among themselves constantly by e-mail."
Burkett, 55, told the AP in a lengthy telephone interview in February that he now is a supporter of Democrats, although at the time he said he didn't necessarily back Kerry.
He said he overheard a conversation in 1997 between then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, and then-Adjutant Gen. Daniel James of the Texas Air National Guard in which the two men spoke of getting rid of any military records that would "embarrass the governor."
Burkett said he saw documents from Bush's file discarded in a trash can a few days later at Camp Mabry in Austin. Burkett described them as performance and pay documents. Allbaugh and James denied the allegations.
Burkett retired from the National Guard after more than 28 years of service because of medical reasons. He was involved in a lawsuit against the Guard over his medical benefits, which he lost on appeal.
I'm betting DNCBS and you fire the woman producer, claiming her incompetence led to the fiasco while ignoring your own complicity!
...and jail time.
I'd advise Rather, Burkett, and Cleland to meditate on the meaning of Arkancide.... and stay off airplanes.
I hope the authorities cast a wide enough net to catch all the rats!
OHHHHH Plezzzz, PJ warriors, move along, nothing to see....
Didn't Max Cleland go to Texas to deliver that paper or mail to Bush while he was at the Ranch? Maybe he paid a visit to the democratic party there while visiting. CAn't we find out where he went after he left the ranch?
Someone from the DNC needs to tell Burkett, "We have switched to the 'Karl Rove did it'" plan.
Nice AP. Now can you ask the DNC?? They're not officially the same organization. We know how the Rats like to parse answers.
So...trying to figure out everyone's motivation here....
Is Burkett hanging the Dems out in an attempt to save himself? The potential reasoning being something like I (Burkett)never forged anything, but I found these documents and forwarded them to potentially interested parties and assumed they'd authenticate them?
It's good to see the RNC adding it's comments to the public discourse.
Any time you hear that many refutations from a Democrat in one sentence, you know they're in trouble.
Yup. Terry McAuliffe made almost exactly the same statement. But, "had nothing to do with" is essentially a vague denial. One has to ask if and when they first became aware of the documents. "Had nothing to do with" might mean only that they didn't craft the forgeries in the first place, but nobody is accusing them of that.
AdMIRal BoorDa co-mitted Su-E-side for less.
The BS in CBS is really coming through. Too bad for Kerry. Now he is extra screwed (more so then before) with all this coming out.
Maybe it's the martini I'm drinking, but I've read this article couple of times and still have trouble following it. Either it's very badly written or else it's written in a way to purposely confuse the reader.
I keep thinking about C BS words "unimpeachable source"
and I have a hard time thinking even C BS would say Burkett was unimpeachable...
however I could see them thinking Cleland was....
You got it! That "unimpeachable source" thing has always troubled me. This guy Burkett papers would have been tossed in the dumpster with the rest of the tin-foil hat thoeries. Somebody got him through the CBS screeners and vouched for him with Dan and his peons!
This is the smoking gun. Put the pressure on this Burkett guy, he won't bear up well when the guys (and gals) with the badges show up and start asking questions. If somebody were to let him know that this is the time to make a deal for the real perps OR take a hard fall all by himself, he'd fold like a house of cards.
There's an irrefutable link to the DemoRats now -- push hard and see who drops a dime or rolls over on the mastermind of this forgeries scandal!
The female producer's father said in an interview that his daughter went into journalism with an agenda and that she is a radical feminist (his words). So if she gets fired that's good news for America who needs feminism like a fish needs a bicycle.
I think this all goes back to the time in texas at the ranch. You can't tell me the DNC wasn't in on it cause how did they get an ad done so quick. Too many dots to connect..and they had Barnes on the same night...not a coincident..
If you read carefully (and it's not readily apparent the way the article is written) Burkett never spoke to the press about this -- they couldn't reach him. The AP is taking this information from postings Burkett made on a Yahoo! Groups public board. I read all of them last night meaning the AP is behind the curve. No surprise there.
did you hear that Rather was on a plane heading to TExas. I read it on another thread.
I figure that by "unimpeachable source" Blather probably meant Kerry or possibly even Clinton who he told O'Reilly he thought was an honest man even though he lies. I'm hoping they all fall on this one.
I didn't hear that. Do you know where you read that?
ya on here i read it...hang on and let me check...
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THEIR PATRIOTISM!
Marine Corps...failed physical.
National Guard...went nutzoid.
Army....tripped on friendly grenade.
Geez.
You'd think they'd flown supersonic fighters or something!
Did you know I was in Vietnam?
ok i'm new and don't know how to ad a story but it's on this website under RNC: The trail of connections is becoming clear. and it is post #19. Does that help
Could it be that Rather was in Dallas today because of this story breaking?
53 posted on 09/18/2004 2:44:13 PM PDT by TheGeezer
see above
The Democrat Party is finished for now. They may be back in 15-20 years, but for the moment, they're done.
This isn't going away.
bttt
Thanks I found it and it links to another thread that somewhat explains Rather flying to Texas today.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1219909/posts
Thank you, I just realized I've hit reply to my own name...this website makes me feel inferior..everyone is so darn funny and intelligent on her...lol...
This is not a good story for Kerry. While I would have liked to have an editor's pencil before it's release, keep in mind this is an AP story that will appear in many papers, throughout the nation, on Sunday morning.
Doesn't this trigger something under the Campaign Finance Laws?
---"The Kerry campaign had absolutely nothing to do with these documents, no ifs, ands or buts," spokesman David Wade said. "Jim Dyke inhabits the fantasy world of spin where George Bush (news - web sites) pretends we haven't lost millions of jobs and everything in Iraq (news - web sites) is coming up roses. He'd be better served getting answers from the president, not hurling baseless attacks."---
Oh dear! Denial, ad hominem attack, and changing of the subject, all in one paragraph! I'd definitely keep looking here!
How does your average 'Joe Blow' contact the Kerry Campaign? Do you call 411 and ask for it? How the hell would this guy know how to do that?
And didn't Rassmann go to Texas with Cleland? And didn't they travel together?
Burkett contacted Cleland by cell phone.
Possibility 1: Van Os, Burkett's lawyer is a friend of Cleland.
Possibility 2: Burkett was talking to the DNC and they put him on to Cleland.
Possibility 3: The DNC and the Kerry campaign had already coordinated on this and used Cleland as a bag man, since he was in Texas anyway.
The fact that the DNC sprang Operation Fortunate Son simultaneously with the Rather bombshell is suspicious is it not?
And all the while their accomplice Max Cleland was staging media shows and delivering "papers" to President Bush. Max Cleland has shown WHY he was not re-elected. It was because of his poor character.
It's more than suspicious - it's down right coincidental. And, I don't believe in coincidences where DemoRats are involved!
bttt
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