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Where Kerry Went Wrong: Kerry and Shrum got it backward
Newsweak ^ | 9/27 issue | Jonathan Alter

Posted on 09/18/2004 10:17:05 PM PDT by Cableguy

Kerry and Shrum got it backward. If they'd sliced up Bush this summer, they could have used the debates to seem presidential.

After Labor Day, the political calendar goes into a time warp. Everything speeds up. With voters finally starting to pay attention, a week is about the equivalent of a normal month in political time. In late October the intensity can be so great that creative campaigns sometimes accomplish in a single day what it might once have taken three months to imprint on the minds of the voters. We don't know yet if we'll see such inventiveness this year, which means that for all of the weeping and moaning and rending of garments by despondent Democrats, we simply don't know if John Kerry is finished. We do know that his strategy so far, designed by Bob Shrum, lies in ruins, and for reasons that go far beyond the campaign's failure to respond quickly enough to the Swift Boat ads.

Shrum's grand plan wasn't complicated. He figured that with most voters believing the country is on the "wrong track," all that Kerry had to do was establish his credibility as a potential commander in chief and he would win—hence the "bio" convention. No need to respond directly to Bush ads sliming him for wanting to cut the same weapons systems that Bush's father cut. No need to explain how the Iraq war had been botched. No need to discredit Bush at all, because he was already thoroughly discredited.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alter; kerry; kerrystrategy; napalminthemorning; shrum; worrieddems

1 posted on 09/18/2004 10:17:05 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

Jonathan, Jonathan. When you use the word sliming you really put yourself into it.


2 posted on 09/18/2004 10:19:41 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Cableguy

Kerry went wrong much earlier than this campaign!

I still don't understand why he isn't in Levenworth turning big rocks into small ones.


3 posted on 09/18/2004 10:20:45 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: js1138

jonathan alter is another little piss ant


4 posted on 09/18/2004 10:22:00 PM PDT by kingattax (The Lead Dog always has the best view)
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To: Cableguy

Newsweek has no news here, only editorial opinion, and that opinion is rotten anyway.

What's news, contrary to this article, is that the Kerry Campaign is coming out with new attacks on President Bush on fake "business scandals," Environmental "lies," and they are even taping a TV show with Dr. Phil to call President Bush a liar about "healthcare" per U.S. News & World Report, among others...

That Dr. Phil TV show airs in October, by the way.

The AWB Has Expired - Gun Owners Have Won Again For All Americans!

5 posted on 09/18/2004 10:23:14 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: js1138

Really, what a jerk.


6 posted on 09/18/2004 10:27:12 PM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: Cableguy

I'm sorry...you mean they hadn't tried already over the summer?


7 posted on 09/18/2004 10:28:49 PM PDT by RichInOC (Kerry-Edwards 2004-Yes, We Really Do Think You Have That Short A Memory.)
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To: Cableguy

Jonathan Alter is another liberal Democrat propagandist, who shilled for Clinton and is now engaged in resurrection therapy for the Kerry campaign.


8 posted on 09/18/2004 10:30:38 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Cableguy
Kerry made two fatal errors:

1. Publishing "Tour of Duty"
2. Not running a single ad during the month of August, which left MoveOn running Bush-slam-ads across the midwest, but not a single POSTIVE message ad ran to give voters the other side of the coin. Stupid, amateur-hour politics.

9 posted on 09/18/2004 10:31:03 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Cableguy
...all that Kerry had to do was establish his credibility as a potential commander in chief and he would win

To have credibility you have to stand for something. What does Kerry stand for besides raising taxes on the rich? Credibility involves more than just saying "I defended this country in Vietnam, and I'll defend this country as President" and posing as a "war hero" when he spent more time protesting the war than fighting it.

10 posted on 09/18/2004 10:35:15 PM PDT by eggman (CBS has the forgeries. FreeRepublic has the facts.)
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To: clee1

"I still don't understand why he isn't in Levenworth turning big rocks into small ones."

Thank you! I don't either. The RINOS don't care, most don't care if our country is history and our children and grand-children are doomed.

But, what can we do?


11 posted on 09/18/2004 10:36:33 PM PDT by olinr
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To: kingattax

That's an insult to piss ants everywhere :-)


12 posted on 09/18/2004 10:36:58 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: montag813

I disagree.

1. Without Tour of Duty (and Jim Rasmassen), Kerry would not have been the nominee.
2. DNC ran a bunch of positive ads on Kerry's behalf in August (highlighting his convention speech). In fact, DNC/527 groups outspent Bush in August.


13 posted on 09/18/2004 10:37:51 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy
...and was reinforced by the sealed and often smug world of Democratic politics, where it was taken for granted that Bush was bad, bad, bad, and any reasonable person already knew why.

It seems like this entire essay comes from that same smug world.

-PJ

14 posted on 09/18/2004 10:40:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Cableguy

Alter: "...If they'd sliced up Bush this summer, they could have used the debates to seem presidential."

Alter is out of touch with reality. The DNC (Democrat Nazi Committee), Moveon.org and the News Media have been continually trying to slice and dice GW Bush for the last four years.

Alter cannot realize that Kaptain Ketchup does not have anything presidential in his demeanor. Kerry can only come across as totally phony.


15 posted on 09/18/2004 10:41:54 PM PDT by punster
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To: olinr

We can keep our powder dry and await the probable.

One day, and possibly soon, the Patriots among us will have to pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor to the preservation of freedom and our Republic.

In the meanwhile, all we can do is to teach our children the value of morality, courage, and critical/logical thinking. The socialist elite that threatens our existence rely on the ignorance and/or inattention of the populace, coupled with slick propaganda in the form of "popular culture", in order to achieve their goals.


16 posted on 09/18/2004 10:46:19 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Cableguy
No need to discredit Bush at all, because he was already thoroughly discredited slimed all winter and spring.
17 posted on 09/18/2004 10:52:22 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Took the words right out of my mouth :-).

Nailing Bush means painting a big "F" for failure on his forehead for what's going on right now, then pivoting to explain in the simple terms that have eluded Kerry what he would do differently in the months ahead: Give reconstruction contracts to allies in exchange for helping us stabilize Iraq. Set a date certain for getting out of Iraq. Promise we'll never have another Iraq. Fight terrorism where it threatens us most, which is not in Iraq.

The reconstruction contracts idea is interesting, but how much military help could the French actually give us? Do they have enough military for this to matter? I'd rather stick with people who wholeheartedly support us, instead of those who will knife us in the back at the earliest opportunity.

Set a date for when we leave Iraq? Forget it. Unless you want to give the country to the insurgents, it's not going to happen.

Promise there will never be another Iraq? Don't make me laugh. You'd have to be clairvoyant to know the answer to that one. North Korea, Iran and Syria have done seriously bad things that might need to be opposed at some point. Tying your hands in this way is political suicide. Diplomacy doesn't work without a credible threat of force. Not recommended.

We're fighting terrorism in Iraq, which seems to have done a fair job at keeping it out of the US. Fair trade, especially since Iraq's going to be a lot better off in the end.

D

18 posted on 09/18/2004 10:54:54 PM PDT by daviddennis (;)
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To: Cableguy

this twerp is deluded enough to be working at seeBS

perhaps he's thinking he'll replace Dannyboy...?


19 posted on 09/18/2004 10:59:25 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Jean Fraud Kerry-the Botox BoatWarrior,"oh no, aground again and huge riceberg approaching")
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To: daviddennis
The reconstruction contracts idea is interesting...

The whole Bush premise was that you don't give reconstruction contracts to the people who were aiding and abetting Iraq in the first place. The Oil For Food scandal proves that Bush was right when he said that France was heavily involved with the Hussein regime. Why would anyone want to reward France by helping to rebuild what they helped to build in the first place?

-PJ

20 posted on 09/18/2004 10:59:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Cableguy

Jonathan Alter is a liberal. As for his advice to Kerry, it doesn't work because Alter, like Kerry, never tells us what Kerry would do different than Bush in the White House. And I have to laugh at the notion cutting and running in the face of the Al Qaeda affiliated Al Zarqawi terrorists IN Iraq would make America safer. Heck, even Ketchup Boy himself said Iraq IS part of the War On Terror. Alter doesn't acknowledge the Democratic presidential candidate is absolutely awful. What we can be thankful for is the libs continuing to be under the delusion the country agrees with them in their hatred of America. Alter and Co. are in for a rude awakening on November 3rd.


21 posted on 09/18/2004 10:59:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cableguy
"No need to respond directly to Bush ads sliming him for wanting to cut the same weapons systems that Bush's father cut.

Kerry wanted to cut those weapons during the heat of the Cold War.

22 posted on 09/18/2004 11:27:33 PM PDT by Freemyland
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To: MJY1288

roger that, troop


23 posted on 09/18/2004 11:31:19 PM PDT by kingattax (The Lead Dog always has the best view)
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To: RichInOC

KErry campaign figured the MSM was doing the heavy lifting on the negative campaigning. That way Kerry could be the guy on the white horse.

It wasnt enough. The GOP convention rebuted the phony MSM anti-Iraq war spin and told people, 'this is the war on terror, we didnt start it, but we will finish it - if you let Bush lead.'

Kerry had no retort to this - BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN IGNORING THE WAR ON TERROR. He doesnt have a position except "sensitivity".

So Kerry is reduced to bashing Iraq and spreading defeatism and gloom to 'win' that debate. But he CANT if he doesnt have credibility on the war on terror, since clearly Iraq is a part of the war on terror.

http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com


24 posted on 09/19/2004 12:37:25 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: clee1
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I still don't understand why he isn't in Levenworth turning big rocks into small ones.

As far as I'm concerned, he should be in Siberia in the Gulag. He loves the commies so much . . .

Kerry hasn't stopped selling out this country. Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline. Email it to your friends.
.

25 posted on 09/19/2004 12:51:31 AM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: Cableguy
He said Shrum.
26 posted on 09/19/2004 1:06:48 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Cableguy
The hive is arriving at a conclusion. This is the 4th or 5th article from the MSM that I've seen tonight that attempts a post-mortem on the Kerry campaign and postulates the following:

1. Kerry is going to lose.

2. The reason for the impending loss is that "the Democrats haven't been mean enough".

They then proceed to offer free advice to the Kerry campaign about how they can turn it around.

Wonder if they'd be that free with advice if the tables were turned...???

27 posted on 09/19/2004 1:22:27 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Cableguy
No need to discredit Bush at all, because he was already thoroughly discredited.

Alter.

Hey - the reason Kerry is losing is because he's such . . a . . . DORK! His wife can't even stand to be called Terry Kerry, her husband's last name.

The more people see of Kerry, the less they like him. He needs media filtering. But an excess of filtering just gave CBS, and the leftwing 'mainstream', generally, a black eye. And the swelling won't go down in just five or six weeks.

28 posted on 09/19/2004 1:25:09 AM PDT by sevry
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To: Cableguy

Kerry has to:
hide his phoney VietNam history
hide his anti-VietNam war treason
hide his leftist and rather meager Senate history
pretend to be a centrist
hide his 'I am the new JFK' bs
fight off the Swiftvets
keep his wife from hogging the limelight
keep Clinton from hogging the limelight
pretend he can relate to common folk
explain how his 'more sensitive' war on terror would work,
and attack Bush, without being overly blatant about it,
.
his VP choice, Johnwhatever, Esq.ambulance.chaser,
(from a state Kerry will lose) isn't helping any with
people who aren't hard core democrats
.
Is he still asking Teddy for help?,
Republican pranksters should attend Kerry's ralleys wearing lifejackets


29 posted on 09/19/2004 1:34:28 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: clee1

I agree, if that had been your average John Doe and he pulled some of the chit that Kerry did while in uniform he would have been tried for treason and spent many a year at a federal prison some place. Really sucks, Kerry's a traitor now, as he was then and should pay for the things he's done against America and the fine men and women serving in our Armed Forces.


30 posted on 09/19/2004 1:35:10 AM PDT by Wink
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To: Cableguy

Sheesh. It never occurs to Alter that perhaps the problem isn't Kerry's campaign; it's Kerry himself.


31 posted on 09/19/2004 2:09:56 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Cableguy

Alter's road map for Kerry will take him straight off the nearest cliff. Liberals just don't get it, thank God. Talk about looking through the wrong end of the telescope.


32 posted on 09/19/2004 2:43:11 AM PDT by hershey
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To: greasepaint

Hahahahahah!


33 posted on 09/19/2004 2:49:56 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Cableguy
Jonathan
You just don't get it.
The Grand Plan is to dump this turkey Kerry to make way for Hil'/Bil' in '08.
The Clinton operators who moved into the K
erry camp are there to try to protect down-ballot races and avoid a disaster like '92.

34 posted on 09/19/2004 3:01:26 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: olinr

yeah, it's all the republicans' fault

don't let the door hit you on the way out


35 posted on 09/19/2004 11:37:01 PM PDT by dwills
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To: Cableguy
Gee, all this time I've thought Jonathan Alter was a journalist. Here he seems to acting as an ad hoc campaign strategist.

No such thing as a leftist media, no siree.

36 posted on 09/20/2004 6:45:40 AM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: Cableguy
Nailing Bush means painting a big "F" for failure on his forehead for what's going on right now, then pivoting to explain in the simple terms that have eluded Kerry what he would do differently in the months ahead: Give reconstruction contracts to allies in exchange for helping us stabilize Iraq. Set a date certain for getting out of Iraq. Promise we'll never have another Iraq. Fight terrorism where it threatens us most, which is not in Iraq.

Kerry has been pushing this idea of "Bush didn't get our allies involved, and that's why it's failing", which goes to show just how inept he is. The Oil for Food Scandal beginning to break, and it is glaringly obvious WHY our allies didn't want us to go into Iraq. When folks find out about it, they'll start to think the President was an GENIUS for not including those countries, even though he did TRY in order to try to assuage the media and rabid Dems. It is obvious, from the reporting about the scandal, that our allies were not only NOT interested in working with us,they were actively working AGAINST us until just recently!

37 posted on 09/20/2004 6:53:53 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: punster
News Media have been continually trying to slice and dice GW Bush for the last four years.

Exhibit A: SeeBS has doggedly been working on the President Bush TANG story for five years! Sheesh! That isn't journalism, that's fanaticism.
38 posted on 09/20/2004 7:01:35 AM PDT by JayNorth
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To: okie01
Wonder if they'd be that free with advice if the tables were turned...???

Yeah, they would, but their "unbiased" help is always something like this: "Republicans, if you want to win, stop the false, misleading, negative ads, stop the racism, disenfranchisement of voters, ruining our schools, starving children, stealing granny's Social Security, poisoning the air and water, and isolating us from our staunch allies like the French."
39 posted on 09/20/2004 7:07:42 AM PDT by JayNorth
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To: okie01
1. Kerry is going to lose.

2. The reason for the impending loss is that "the Democrats haven't been mean enough".

They'll do anything to pin this on the delivery and not the message. Which is fine with me - as long as they do that, they'll keep losing.

40 posted on 09/20/2004 7:09:28 AM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: Cableguy
Bob Shrum is either ignorant about the "real" JFKerry or he deceived himself into believing he could con this nation with a master fake.

All Shrum needed to do was take one look at the Brinkley book and realize he was perpetrating a fake "war" hero.

Now there was one huge RED flag in JFKerry's presentation of being a "war" hero and that was that citation presented with the Secretary of Navy Lehman's signature in 1986.

JFKerry was a sitting senator in 1986, and has yet to explain how it is he got his hands on that signature/autopen.
41 posted on 09/20/2004 7:09:53 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Cableguy
He figured that with most voters believing the country is on the "wrong track," all that Kerry had to do was establish his credibility as a potential commander in chief and he would win—hence the "bio" convention.

Of course, it's always struck me that questions on wrong track/right track have a lot of the same ambiguity as whether the war is being fought right or whether something changed your opinion of a candidate: It's perfectly possible to think the country is on the wrong track in many ways, while fervently believing Bush is at least trying to reverse it and Kerry would send it skittering further like the Gadarene swine!

42 posted on 09/20/2004 7:28:04 AM PDT by maryz
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