Posted on 09/20/2004 1:05:34 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
I know this is a frustrating situation, friend. We're all concerned about these women and we all want the best.
But I can't quite agree with the premise of your question. First, these women worked for a pro-Saddam organization, so you cannot really say they "sided" with us -- just the opposite.
Second, there's no way the U.S. can stop an Italian citizen (or any other citizen of a western country) who wants to travel to Iraq -- so the U.S. can't be held responsible for their safety. If someone wants to take risks (either in their home country or some other country) the U.S. government can't really stop them.
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You are incorrect or we would not have Iraqis willing to put their lives no the line and join the army, police or government. This is not a military struggle now that phase was quickly won but it is now a political struggle which is why tact and intelligence is paramount.
This is the flaw in the reasoning of the MOABITES "Well, they are all our enemies anyway so just destroy them all."
Absurd and misinformed. This is another of the RATmedia lies which you are pushing. They do NOT "all hate us" as the RATmedia tries to get people to believe as a means of attacking Bush.
There are no such 30 yr old theories as you claim either.
The most important aspect is DEFINING correctly just WHO the enemy is and you obviously cannot do that. Nor do you comprehend the nature of this war if you believe it in any way resembles Japan or Germany.
We defeated the initial enemy within a few weeks. These are a different sort which is waging war upon the Iraqis with killers trained and infiltrated from OTHER COUNTRIES. They are the enemies of us AND the Iraqis.
Your solution (like the rest of the MOABITES) when a Syrian or Jordanian kills a bunch of Iraqis is for the US to kill a bunch MORE Iraqis. Not very smart.
Mosques are not safe. We blew up a couple in Falluja in the Spring. Not even the Grand Mosque in Najaf was safe from fire when the killers took refuge. Sistani hastened to get Sadr's punks out of there when it became obvious that we were NOT going to leave it be.
The mayor of the province was ready to send the troops into the mosque itself when Sistani entered the picture.
You appeared to support ZULU's criticism thus became fair game for me since I do not accept misinformed Monday morning quarterbacking which undermines our troops, our President and the re-election campaign. No personal offense is intended.
Women (I am one) have no place over there, butch feminist or not. What kind of nation sends its women to such places? It's hard enough trying to stop the sex slave trade over there, but allied nations voluntarily send their own women into the arms of Molech? The Italians (and us)should stop to examine whether or not they want chivalry or whether they embrace ball busting feminism. Shame on them! Shame on them all! Women need to be protected, unless you are Lindy England and even the sheep aren't interested.
They are going to demand their females be released in exchange, therefore, these women will die.
Did I miss all the posts from chivalrous, thinking men questioning why women are sent there in the first place? What has happened in the last 10 years? Have conservatives now adopted the feminist ideology? Hey! We women need to be protected. Listen to Grandpa and heed his words.
You can't compare Germany and Japan to the Arab world. Different people. Different culture. Germans and Japanese were civilized before the war. Remember that Germans were advanced to a point where they helped colonize and form this country we live in. The Arab world has never been civilized. They don't know how to be. They have nothing to lose. Have defeated peoples, as a whole, in our own country been assimilated into polite society? If Americans think it was hard to "tame" the Indians, they have a rude awakening if they think the middle east can be westernized.
We should stop buying their oil, deport anti-nuclear environmental activists (I am envisioning windmills and leftist Kabbalist hippies in the Sahara), and develop alternative energy. Follow the money trail and pray that Jesus returns, because according the bible this is the only means of true peace.
"We defeated the initial enemy within a few weeks. These are a different sort which is waging war upon the Iraqis with killers trained and infiltrated from OTHER COUNTRIES. They are the enemies of us AND the Iraqis."
A very astute point, but many who were friendly when they wanted Sadaam gone now want us gone. We are dealing also with a different kind of warfare, one not unlike Vietnam. Terrorists thrive on our not being able to see them, so that when we accidentally kill innocent people, they reap the rewards with greater recruitment.
An age-old rule of "rebels" is that they ally with whomever they think will help them wipe out their domestic enemies, not unlike some American Indian tribes during colonization.
The US has used their own age-old rules of warfare in the utilization of warring factions to acheive their own ends. But these alliances are temporary. We allied with the Taliban, even trained them when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. We liked Sadaam too at one point. We still call cold-blooded Chechen terrorists "rebels." I fear that in the future Britain and the US will regret their hand-holding with the al-Sauds. We must be careful of who we make friends with in the future, but I doubt we will.
What, you mean where they invite you into their home, offer to wash your feet, give you the requisite three demitasses of strong sweet coffee, and then saw off your head with a rusty knife?
I like the way you think. Women are manipulated into combat by the, as you so aptly put it, ball-busting feminists who changed the rules when the Clinton was in office. Makes me sick when small women are put into combat zones, even in support positions. I'm thinking Jessica whom all the misogynists loved to bash even though all she did was get crippled, probably for life, and really didn't say much publicly at all, it was all said around her.
Anyway, I agree we should rethink our positions vis-a-vis relations with enemy nations. I only say this: oOnly in the media and in academia can you really think of a nation as being one concrete whole. In reality there are individuals and politics, public and private, that support all different positions. I say that because I'm convinced that some, perhaps most, of the Saudi rulers sincerely want to join us against the wahabbists.
Muslims have been practicing public rape of non Muslim women/boys since their sordid origins.
I dont know what the government of Italy was thinking when they granted those visas.
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