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Free Republic CBS Forgery Project Report w Recommendations for Desired CBS Actions
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Posted on 09/20/2004 2:15:12 PM PDT by dickmc

CBS 60MINUTES DOCUMENT FORGERY FACTS

FOR EASY IDENTIFICATION IN THIS PROJECT, WE REFER TO THE CBS DOCUMENTS PURPORTEDLY WRITTEN BY KILLIAN IN THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST OF SEPTEMBER 8 AS THE CBS MEMOS.

A. ERRORS IN THE FONT, TYPE, TYPOGRAPHY, EQUIPMENT, ETC IN THE CBS MEMOS

Characteristics of the CBS Memos establish that they could not have been written in the decade of the 1970s. To understand the conclusion that these documents are forgeries, it is important to understand some fundamental typography features that represent the CBS Memos "fingerprints":

Ordinary typewriters give a fixed space to each letter. Thus, a group of ten characters like "iiiiiiiiii" versus "WWWWWWWWWW" both take up the same width on a typewritten page. This made for unattractive text lines but had a great advantage for typewriters. Each letter was always in the same place so that corrections could be made with whiteout and typed over. As those of us who produced documents in the 70's vividly remember, typewriters have no delete or insert key and fixing a typo was a big aggravation! However, typewriter text was not very attractive, particularly for document use.

As you can see from this paragraph, the spacing between letters here is different. It has a type of spacing known as proportional. Typewriters used by everyone in the 1970s, particularly the military, had an easily recognizable fixed uniform spacing. While there was an IBM Executive typewriter that had a kind of limited proportional spacing where letters were sorted into four widths, they were expensively uncommon and their text does not match the CBS Memos anyway. With the advent of computer TrueType for Microsoft Word in 1992, documents could finally produce attractive text lines for monitor display and for desktop laser printing. TrueType actually uses a lookup table to find the previous letter and to set the point where the next letter begins. For example, with "TRTRTRTR" versus "fifififi". This gives a computer produced document a distinct spacing "fingerprint" that is as distinctive as a signature. All of the CBS Memos have the "fingerprint" of computer generation.

But the analogy does not stop with the letter spacing. The second "fingerprint" fact is that computer word processors have the capability to produce true superscripts like the "th" in the line of the CBS Memo 04 May that reads "2. Report to the 111th F.I.S. administrative officer…". Note how the "th" extends above the top of the 111 on that line. The width of the "th" superscript and how high it extends above the "111" in the CBS Memo 04 May is the "fingerprint" of a computer word processor and modern desktop printer. The only other typewriter device that even comes close to this is a Selectric Composer that cost more than a car in 1972. The TANG (Texas Air National Guard) did not have such a device. Even if they had one, Lt Col Killian--who barely knew how to type--would never have been able to operate it. This is further discussed in the bullets below.

The third fact that you need to know about in order to deal with a document's "fingerprint" is something called a type face. There are some 4,000 different fonts. A type face is a coordinated design for each element of a set of type, for example "A….Za....z1234567890-=*/…". A type design has to do with the looks of the font such as thickness, roundness, feet if any, style, etc. For example, each type font is distinctive in many ways like whether or not the top of a "4" is closed. A type font has a distinctive signature and even Times New Roman has characters that look different from Times Roman. This is the third aspect of a document's "signature".

The fourth fact of a document's "fingerprint" is unique. Unlike your fingerprint, a document's "fingerprint" can be reproduced. If you reprint a letter, it is identical with the old document. For Microsoft Word, typing and printing a document at its default settings, for all intent and purposes always produces an identical document. If you print a document twice, overlay the copies, and hold them up to the window, the two copies will be exactly identical.

Having said all this and if you don't want to read more technology, the only thing you need to know is: ………….
BASED ON THESE "FINGERPRINTS", IT IS CONCLUDED THAT THE CBS DOCUMENTS ARE FORGERIES. USING ALL THE ABOVE "FINGERPRINTS" THE CBS MEMOS WERE GENERATED ON A COMPUTER PROCESSOR! Obviously, there were no computer word processors and laser printers around in 1972 and 1973 when Lt Col Killian supposedly wrote the CBS Memos.

As you can appreciate, there are experts in Microsoft Word computer printing technology, just like everything else:
Dr Joseph Newcomer, who virtually invented most of this computer type and printing, has examined the CBS Memos and says the following:
"There has been a lot of activity on the Internet recently concerning the forged CBS documents. I do not even dignify this statement with the traditional weasel-word 'alleged', because it takes approximately 30 seconds for anyone who is knowledgeable in the history of electronic document production to recognize this whole collection is certainly a forgery, and approximately five minutes to prove to anyone technically competent that the documents are a forgery. I was able to replicate two of the documents within a few minutes. At the time I am writing this, CBS is stonewalling. They were hoaxed, pure and simple."
"I am not sure what sort of 'expert' they called in to authenticate the document, but anything I say about his qualifications to judge digital typography is likely to be considered libelous. CBS failed to exercise anything even approximately like due diligence. I am not sure what sort of 'expert' they called in to authenticate the document, but anything I say about his qualifications to judge digital typography is likely to be considered libelous (no matter how true they are) and I would not say them in print in a public forum."
"The probability that any technology in existence in 1972 would be capable of producing a document that is nearly pixel-compatible with Microsoft's Times New Roman font and the formatting of Microsoft Word, and that such technology was in casual use at the Texas Air National Guard, is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero."

By the way, if you are looking at the CBS Memos on a 17-inch computer monitor, you are seeing some 750,000 pixels. That's a lot of comparison points and why a comparison using Microsoft Word reproduction of the CBS Memos is so telling. For more information on this analysis go to Dr Newcomer's analysis and comparison at http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm Further sources are detailed below if you want even more information.

To replicate the CBS Memos, simply retype a them in Microsoft Word using its default Times New Roman font and margins, print out the result, overlay the CBS Memo, and hold it them up to a window. An example of the forgery confirmation is shown below for the CBS Memo of 04 May 1972. The CBS Memo is shown in black. The overlay in red, which matches exactly, is by Microsoft Word97 from a computer and desktop printer.


Overlay of MSWord Typed Document in Red on CBS Memo 04 May 1972

More details of the CBS Memos' forgery "fingerprints" are shown in the bullets below:

1. Typewriter proportional spacing was not available in 1972 with the Times Roman font, the timeframe and font style of the CBS Memos. The IBM Executive had a pseudo proportional spacing but not the typeface used in the CBS Memos. There is no confirmation that even this expensive typewriter was available at TANG, see below for a discussion of the Selectric Composer which was an extremely expensive and very complex printing shop device that couldn't produce the CBS Memos at the font detail level.

2. The true superscripts in the forged CBS Memos were not available in 1972-3 except in specialized printing shops. True superscripts like the "th" in the forged CBS Memos are individual characters in smaller case that extend well above the printed line. (The underlined "th" cited by CBS in it's defense in the TANG Chronological Listing of Service document, does NOT extend above the characters. It is technically a single key element known as a monospaced ligature. It is observedly not a true superscript like in the CBS Memos.) Moreover, the true superscript "th" in the CBS Memos versus the single key element ligature even further indicates that the CBS Memos are a forgery. See http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm and many other web references.

3. Apostrophes in the CBS Memos are curved. Typewriters used straight hash marks for both quotation marks and apostrophes.

4. The number "4" produced by typewriters in the genuine TANG documents are open at the top. Moreover, all of the letters are uniformly spaced. The 4's in the CBS Memos have a closed top and all of the letters in the CBS Memos are proportionally spaced. D. Bouffard, a forensic document examiner who has analyzed typewritten samples for 30 years, collects and maintains a computerized database of typewriter fonts. He ran the CBS Memos' number and text shapes through his entire database of over 4,000 typewriter fonts and could not find any match. However, the font in the CBS Memos is indicative of Times New Roman, a font that is only available to document writers using computer word processing programs. For further information see http://www.indcjournal.com/

5. The vertical spacing between typed lines in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computer driven word processors and printers.

6. The words stop on each line in the CBS Memos in a way identical with the default settings for Microsoft Word and there are no hyphenated words. This is exactly the way Microsoft Word ends lines unless the user intervenes. This is not the way a person using a typewriter would have done it. Typewriters had fixed margins that "rang" and froze the carriage. At that point the typist would hit MarRel to keep going, often to a hyphenated word, and then manually returned the carriage. Numerous examples of typewritten hyphenation appear in the real TANG memos done on typewriters but not in the CBS Memos.

7. While CBS says Times Roman has been available since 1931, that statement is disingenuous and reveals no understanding of type faces and their history. Times Roman was only available in printing shops. The Selectric typewriters did not have a Times Roman type face and did not do proportional spacing. It was not until 1991 that Apple developed the TrueType font, known as Times New Roman, which is used in the CBS Memos. The actual application of Microsoft TrueType Times New Roman for Windows occurred in 1992. The overlay of the CBS Memos is an EXACT match for Microsoft Word Processor printed text at the "fingerprint" level and confirms the 60Minutes CBS Memos are forgeries. See http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm for further information.

8. In the CBS Memos it would have been nearly impossible to center a proportionately typed letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer (not impossible, but for Killian, who did not type, highly improbable). Further, doing such centering identically in memos two months apart, CBS May 04 and CBS August 01, absent a word processor is extremely unlikely.

9. The only device that could have come close to producing superscripted "th" in the CBS Memo timeline and with proportional type would have been a Selectric Composer. This is not an ordinary typewriter; rather it was used for special publication composing. It cost some $4,000 then ($23,000 today) and was incredibly difficult to operate. The machine basically consisted of an IBM Selectric typewriter along with a 3-1/2 ft. high upright case containing a magnetic tape reader with spools of long magnetic tape cartridges. It also needed a special IBM service person and contract above and beyond repairing typewriters. The operating manual is here at http://www.ibmcomposer.org/docs.htm.
Moreover, D. Bouffard, the forensic document examiner described above, says: : "...the more information we get and the more my colleagues look at this, we're more convinced that there are significant differences between the type of the Selectric Composer that was available and the questionable document.... ... there are so many things that are not right: 'crossings,' 'downstrokes'..." For further information see http://www.indcjournal.com/ for the font discussion and http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm and many other web references.
The Selectric Composer, even if it had the right font- ?which it does not? could never have been operated by Lt Col Killian. Http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_shape_of_days/2004/09/the_ibm_selectr.html discusses the tortuous operation of the Selectric Composer. It is not clear that the Air Force even had these machines at that time and the TANG clearly did not. To suggest that Col Killian, who could barely type, would have been able to operate one of these complex printing shop machines is not credible.

10. The CBS Memo fonts and spacing don't match the genuine TANG Lt Bush official evaluation that was signed 26 May 1972.

11. Looking at all of the number groups in the CBS Memos reveals two with miniature "th" superscripts. Four have spaces between the numbers and suffix, and five without a space, all of which include a digit of 1 (probably a lower case L in the cases of "lst"). Putting spaces between the numerals and the suffix is NOT how typists were or are trained. The only reason for spaces generally occurring after numbers in the CBS Memos is to suppress MS Word's auto-superscript function when the Spacebar or Enter key is pressed. The most straightforward explanation for the typing shown in the CBS Memos is that the preparer intended to suppress the auto-superscript function by using lower case L's in imitation of old typists or by inserting spaces after normally superscripted numbers. The forger simply missed two instances and MS Word automatically turned the "th" into superscripts. That being the case: why are there two instances of non-subscripted numbers "111th" in the headings? Probably, the forger simply made another mistake which would have occurred because of an idiosyncrasy of MS Word. It will only superscript something like 111th if you immediately hit the Spacebar or Enter key after having typed the "h". In this case the forger probably an error and typed "111 Fighter" and then realized that the "th" was missing. The forger went back and typed the "th" and then clicked on the end "r" in Fighter. In that case MS Word did not detect a Spacebar or Enter press at the "111th" and did not, therefore, superscript the added "th". The forger suppressed certain of the superscripting by using a lower case L in "lst" or a space as in "147 th". Also, to preserve the heading "111st" style, the forger may have simply copied and pasted between CBS Memos 04 May and 01 August since both typed headings are identical and perfectly centered.

12. Certain of the CBS Memo signatures look faked even to the untrained observer such as the abrupt cut at the very end of the last letter rather than a fade when the signing pressure would have been released. Other document examiners not affiliated with CBS are increasingly concurring that the CBS Memo signatures do not match known specimens of Lt Col Killian's signature as outlined in the Experts section.

B. ISSUES THAT CAN ONLY BE SATISFIED BY A BETTER OR ORIGINAL COPY

13. Potential paper size issue since the Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.

14. How far are the CBS Memos away from an original copy? The CBS Memos have significant background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots as if run through a copier for many cycles. Since the redacted black address in CBS Memo 04 May is actually readable in the pdf, this suggests that most of the generations of copies were done elsewhere.

C. ERRORS RELATING TO CUSTOM AND USAGE OF TEXT IN THE CBS MEMOS

To outsiders differences of how an officer wrote his name and rank or referred to his military unit may seem arcane and unimportant. However, within the military such details are highly regulated by rules and tradition as is the format of memos and orders. Thus, these kinds of typing details are of great significance in assessing the veracity of documents. The CBS Memos contain a number of key stylistic examples that significantly depart from the normal procedures in the Texas ANG.

15. USAF letterhead has been required since 1948. Instead the CBS Memos used a typed letterhead. In general, typed letterhead is restricted to computer-generated orders such as those printed by teletype, chain printer or daisy-wheel printer, the latter looking like a typed letter. Manually typed correspondence is supposed to use official USAF letterhead. Even special orders, which might have used a typed letterhead were required to use ALL CAPS in the letterhead.

16. CBS Memo letterheads give the address as "Houston, Texas". The standard formulation for addresses at USAF installations required the address to read "ELLINGTON AIR FORCE BASE, TEXAS" in all caps. Also, the Air Force did not typically use office street addresses on letterheads. Moreover, the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron was renamed "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (Training)" abbreviated 111th FIS(T), prior to 1 May 1972. This re-designation of 111th FIS to 111th FIS(T) is confirmed in every validated record covering the period from 1 May 1971 through 1 May 1973. Letterhead of any kind dated after 1 May 1972 would have been required to use the NEW 111th FIS(T) designation. All of the purported CBS Memos have Lt Col Killian using the wrong designation for his own group.

17. According to Lt Col Campelli (USAF ret), the CBS Memos 4 May and 1 August both have used letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would have been issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than by the squadron. Moreover, the letterhead in the CBS Memos is typed whereas the unit used PRINTED TANG letterhead. Even more critically, Campelli states that when written orders were issued, they were on standard USAF orders forms. They were NOT in the format of the CBS Memos. For further information see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212092/posts

18. The CBS Memos use periods in the unit name abbreviations. This is incorrect since USAF unit abbreviations use only capital letters with no periods. For example, 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron would be abbreviated as 111th FIS, not as the 111th F.I.S. used in CBS Memo 04 May. Moreover, in the CBS Memo 18 August uses "Grp" rather than the proper "Gp".

19. There is a significant error on the CBS Memo forger's part that would be immediately recognized by any military person. The day of the month in the CBS Memo 04 May date should be "4" and NOT "04"; in the CBS Memo 1 August, it should have been "1" and NOT "01". This is a telltale artifact of a word processor setting that had not been changed.

20. The CBS Memos are not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders are not given via a memo. Also, the CBS Memos contain language not generally used by military personnel and are not signed or initialed by an author, typist, or clerk.

21. CBS Memos on 04 May and 01 August have no distribution list that is universally needed for orders and also have no receipt confirmation box or signature.

22. CBS Memo 04 May and 01 August used incorrect terminology in stating "physical examination" instead of "medical". Furthermore, a medical is due the last day of the Birth Month which would be July 31 for Lt Bush; not the May 14th date ordered in the CBS Memo 04 May. Moreover the May 14 date is a Sunday.

23. An order from a superior, directing a junior to perform a specific task would not be in the memorandum format used in CBS Memos. Instead, it would use the USAF standard internal memo format with left hand justification as follows: FROM: Lt Col Killian, Jerry B. (line) SUBJECT [or SUB]: ANNUAL MEDICAL (FLIGHT) (line) TO: 1Lt Bush, George W. Documents titled as MEMORANDUM are used only for file purposes, and not for communications.

24. Subject line in memos was usually, but not always, CAPITALIZED in the military.

25. CBS Memos have an incorrect signature block. Killian's signature block should read: JERRY B. KILLIAN, Lt Col, TexANG Commander. This is the required USAF formulation for a signature block. Also in the CBS Memos, Lt Col Killian's signature should have been aligned to the left side of the page. Indented signature blocks are not a USAF standard. The CBS Memos just have rank beneath a name on the right hand side.

26. Rank abbreviations in the CBS Memos are applied inconsistently and incorrectly. For example, the use of periods in USAF rank abbreviations is incorrect. The modern formulation for rank abbreviations for the lieutenant grades in the USAF is 2LT and 1LT. In any event, they would not have included periods. Lt Col Killian's abbreviations are pretty much universally incorrect in the CBS Memos.

27. The superscript "th" in the forged documents was raised half-way above the typed line (consistent with MS Word, but inconsistent with military typewriters which kept everything in-line to avoid writing outside the pre-printed boxes of standard forms).

28. The formulation used in the memos, i.e., "MEMORANDUM FOR 1st Lt. Bush..." is incorrect. A memo would be written on plain (non-letterhead) paper, with the top line reading "MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD". However, Lt Col Killian is known to have relied on hand written notes on scraps of paper and not typewritten memos to files.

29. The CBS Memos use the phrase "...in accordance with (IAW)..." The abbreviation IAW is a universal abbreviation in the USAF, and would not also have been spelled out. IAW is used for no other reason than to eliminate the words "in accordance with" from official communications. There are several such universal abbreviations, such as NLT for "no later than".

30. The CBS Memos, all of which have proportional type spacing, do not match the typeface and letter spacing of the official evaluation of Lt Bush signed 26 May 1972. Furthermore, the easy to recognize CBS Memos' proportionally spaced typing does not match any of the some hundred other pdf's of Lt Bush records that are available on the internet, none of which have proportional spaced type.

31. CBS Memos do not, but should have had, two hole punches evident at the top of the page. …or even three or five on the side of the page.

D. ERRORS IN THE CBS MEMOS RELATING TO CONTEXT (PEOPLE RETIRED, DAY OF WEEK, ANG POLICY, ETC.)

32. The address listed in CBS Memo 04 May for Lt Bush is wrong. The address the CBS Memo uses is 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. However, Lt Bush had already moved TWICE from this address at the time the CBS Memo was written. The correct address that the CBS Memo 04 May should have used is: 2910 Westheimer Rd. Apt 4. Lt Col Killian certainly would have known and used the correct address in the purported memo.

33. CBS 04 May Memo: Lt Bush would have had automatic physical scheduled for his Birth Month which was July! He would have received a routine letter notifying him of the pending requirement, month or date by which the flight medical exam was to be completed, and advising him to call the flight surgeon's office to schedule the appointment. There would not have been an 'order' issued and certainly not by May 14th in advance of July, his Birth Month. Moreover, if any orders ever are issued in writing, they are NOT issued via a Memorandum.

34. The CBS Memo 19 May to the file that is supposedly written by Harris or Killian states: "Says he wants to transfer to Alabama to any unit he can get in to. Says he is working on another campaign for his dad". The CBS Memo is pejoratively inconsistent with the Lt Bush 26 May 1972 Performance Appraisal which states under OTHER COMMENTS: "Lt Bush is very active in civic affairs in the community and manifests a deep interest in the operation of our government. He has recently accepted a position as a campaign manager for a candidate for United States Senate. He is a good representative of the military and the Air National Guard in the business world. His abilities and anticipated future assignments make him a valuable asset. He is a member of the National Guard Association of the United States and Texas."

35. CBS Memo 1 August 1972 says "I recommended transfer of this officer to the 9921 st Air Reserve Squadron in May and forwarded his AF Form 1288 to 147 th Ftr Intcp Gp headquarters. The transfer was not allowed." However, the 147th Ftr Gp (Tng) actually endorsed Lt Bush's AF Form 1288 application for reserve assignment on 24 May 1972 with "Recommend approval. Request this organization be notified on date of appointment." Texas ANG headquarters approved the endorsement on 5 June 1972, and AF Form 1288 was returned to the 147th Ftr Gp and filed in June 1972.

Lt Col Killian would NOT have written as is contained in CBS Memo 04 Aug 1972 that "The transfer was not allowed" since by 1 August if the Texas ANG headquarters already approved it. Sometime later in August, 1972 (the date stamp on the rejection letter cannot be determined.), the Headquarters of AF Personal refused this transfer on procedural grounds pointing out that Lt Bush needed to transfer to a National Guard Air Force Reserve Sqd, not an Air Reserve Sqd. In September, 1972, Lt Bush reapplied for transfer through Lt Col Killian and successfully transferred to the 187th AL Sqd, where he worked in the classified material office away from the flight line in September, October, and November. On August 1, the date of the CBS Memo, there is no indication that Lt Col Killian had received this (future) rejection letter.


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To: dickmc

I did not notice that this included another important text issue:

The questioned documents not only employ proportional type spacing, but employ "kerning" (more accurately, "pseudo kerning"), which causes certain letter combinations to overlap to reduce white space between letters in a word. The combinations "fo" and "fr" are found in the documents, with the top of the "f" overhanging the next letter. This capability did not then exist in any typewriter, including the special IBM typewriter that produced rudimentary proportional spacing.


21 posted on 09/20/2004 5:04:28 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: dickmc

Outstanding. Now I feel ready for the Pajamilitia entrance exam.


22 posted on 09/20/2004 5:07:13 PM PDT by TheyConvictedOglethorpe
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To: dickmc

ping. Thanks!


23 posted on 09/20/2004 5:11:02 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Beelzebubba

Actually the TrueType employs a type of pseudo kerning using a lookup table for the space to the next letter based on the previous letter. Apparently true kerning which looks the same is when a piece of type has two letters on it. It was too technical to use when the proportional spacing was good enough to polish off the Killian letters.

For the true expert explanation see http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm
However this site is sited in the FR Forgery Facts since that author is so eminently quotable.


24 posted on 09/20/2004 5:22:58 PM PDT by dickmc
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To: goldeneagle316
I count 34, 15, and 20 spaces for the 3 header lines). You then divide the number of spaces by 2, dropping the remainder.
Notice that a centered line with an odd number of characters could not be possibly be aligned perfectly with a "centered" line with an even number of characters. There being no way to account for the truncation error in the strictly integer number of spaces.

It also must be said that prior to the advent of word processing professionals left the typing strictly to secretarial help because typing clear (mistake-free) copy was a specialized skill. And, probably, an underpaid one.


25 posted on 09/20/2004 6:53:42 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: dickmc

We are on the same (unforged) page. I learned it from that site.

The reason to add the kerning issue is because it defeats the "IBM typewriters did proportional" argument. It is an independent and persuasive issue.


26 posted on 09/20/2004 6:55:24 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: dickmc
Issue a clear and unambiguous public apology to the American Public and to President Bush:
For condign punishment CBS would read this whole article on-air.

27 posted on 09/20/2004 7:07:30 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Smartaleck
ahhhh didn't they admit today they were forgeries?

No, they admited they cannot prove they are authentic.

28 posted on 09/20/2004 7:11:37 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (Bill Clinton is proof you don't have to be poor to be white trash.)
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To: dickmc

Conservative masterclass BUMP.


29 posted on 09/20/2004 7:14:08 PM PDT by asgardshill (By direct order, I LOVE ALAN KEYES!)
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To: Beelzebubba
Apparently from a lot of reading incl FR post links to www articles --the latter of which made my head hurt and my eyes sting-- it is firmly established that the Selectrics did not do proportional typing and did not have a Times Roman or a Times New Roman ball (the latter font did not apparently exist until Apple's work).

The only machine which did a half-assed kind of proportional typing (not like a word processor) was the IBM Executive which did not have the Times Roman or Times New Roman type. It was an ill aligned b***h of a machine that was aligned by bending the arms holding the type face and one was never aligned perfectly, even when it left the factory!

Even CBS now admits that the only real candidate was the Selectric Composer which is really not a typewriter, it only looked like one. It was -rather- a printing shop machine. It was an: expensive ($4,000 in 1070's), nasty. complex, ill tempered, error prone machine, with a user manual that might as well have been written by the idiots that write VCR manuals. One posting tells how his dad owned a print shop and got so disgusted with the Composer that he ordered the poster (his son) to carry it out to the street and put it in the garbage!

Regards, Dick

30 posted on 09/20/2004 7:33:41 PM PDT by dickmc
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To: dickmc

Add to all this technical stuff the fact that no MALE of the human species would ever remotely bother to so perfectly count and center a heading on a document. That was all I needed, but the rest of it is gravy. (Add to that Killian didn't even type, much less count spaces to center perfectly.)


31 posted on 09/20/2004 7:53:25 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: dickmc
While it's true that, as you say, the Composer output differs in significant details from the CBS memos, the skeptical reader will retort, "that may be a judgment call, and since you're not telling me exactly how they differ and whether those details might be disputable, I'll bet you're hiding something, yadda yadda..."

Although you include links to the excellent "flounder" site, etc., I think it would be extremely valuable for you to get permission from the "flounder" author to include in your document his "look-see" comparison images of the Composer output vs. the CBS memos. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words -- and is much more convincing.

One more detail: You say that the reader can duplicate the CBS memos using the "default" settings on MS-Word. Perhaps that works on some versions of Word, but on mine at least, in order to duplicate the one memo I experimented with myself I had to select a font size of 12 (default was 10), and left/right margin sizes of 1.0 inches (default was 1.5). But after doing so, it was a pixel-perfect match, using just the default Word tab settings for matching the memo's indented text, etc. Also note that one-inch margins were standard for old-fashioned typed documents -- not sure if some versions of Word use it by default (I was using MS-Word 2000). Perhaps you should include some line like, "using Times New Roman at a font size of 12, and one-inch margins if those are not already the default in your copy of MS-Word".

Other than that, you've made an excellent presentation.

32 posted on 09/21/2004 12:48:23 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: dickmc
Furthermore, the easy to recognize CBS Memos' proportionally spaced typing does not match

I had to read this more than once before it made sense. Suggest: "Furthermore, the easily recognized proportional spacing of the CBS Memos does not match..."

33 posted on 09/21/2004 10:16:11 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: All
I did a lot of white collar crimes investigation before I retired. I have to admit, a lot of juries sent defendants to prison on a fraction of the evidence this writer presented.
I wish I'd had access to this level of expertise when I was a working Detective. But it will take a DA or US Attorney with a large pair to file this case for prosecution.
34 posted on 09/21/2004 10:38:09 PM PDT by investigateworld ({PROUD new member, jammie posse})
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To: dickmc

nice work. bump


35 posted on 09/22/2004 12:48:31 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Physicist

Thanks. I appreciate all the comments. At some point when we accumulate several, we will likely do an update.


36 posted on 09/22/2004 9:45:21 AM PDT by dickmc
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To: dickmc

When will CBS report on any of these subjects?
My own | 9-24-04 | L


Posted on 09/25/2004 3:30:55 AM PDT by THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD


http://itsallbeendone.blogspot.com/

NOT ONLY WERE THE DOCUMENTS FORGED, BUT THE STORY ITSELF WAS FALSE. DOES CBS REALLY WANT TO REPORT THE TRUTH, FAIR AND BALANCED, Here's just a few to get started back to FAIR AND BALANCED:

http://www.gopteamleader.com/myissues/view_issue.asp?id=2291

WHERE are ALL OF John Kerry's military service records? WHERE ARE JOHN KERRY'S MEDICAL RECORDS FOR HIS FAKE PURPLE HEARTS? WHAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM? HOW MUCH MONEY WENT FROM THE OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM TO BIN LADEN AND OTHER TERRORISTS? How and when did John Kerry get his final discharge? Did John Kerry commit crimes when he was talking to the enemy, while still in the reserve? What EXACT atrocities did John Kerry commit? Were they war crimes? Did Ted Kennedy help with this cover-up? Is there anything in the Swift Boat Vet's claims that are TRUE or False, if so, which ones are true, which are not? DID JOHN KERRY TOSS HIS RIBBONS, HIS MEDALS, SOMEONE ELSE'S? Was John Kerry at a meeting where discussions took place to assassinate US Congressmen? Was that a Crime? THE FAIR AND BALANCED TRUTH ABOUT GEORGE BUSH'S "HONORABLE" SERVICE IN THE GUARD. Did John Kerry EMBOLDEN THE ENEMY, and give aid and comfort to the enemy with his rhetoric during Viet Nam, and is he REPEATING THE SAME THING NOW? WILL CBS NEWS ADMIT DAN RATHER, AND THEIR NEWS DIVISION AS A WHOLE, HAS BEEN BIASED TO HELP JOHN KERRY AND OTHER LIBERALS WIN ELECTIONS?

It also appears they're not much concerned about the cover up, indicating that the interview with Marian Knox, in which she clearly calls the documents forged, was an effort to "report" the truth, yet Dan Rather and CBS didn't care, Dan Rather and CBS still wanted the story told the way they wanted to tell it.

It appears Dan Rather and CBS just don't get it. THERE HAS BEEN A CRIME COMMITTED. SOMEONE SHOULD GO TO JAIL. DAN RATHER WAS PERSONALLY PART OF THE COVER-UP, instead they call it "reporting" to confirm the documents identity.

WHAT A JOKE.

ONLY 30% OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE VOTING FOR KERRY, SAY THEY ARE VOTING "FOR KERRY" RATHER THAN ANYONE BUT BUSH. 90% OF THOSE VOTING FOR BUSH ARE ACTUALLY VOTING "FOR BUSH".

SO, WITH OVER 100 MILLION EXPECTED VOTES, AND ASSUMING A 50/50 SPLIT AT THE MOMENT, ONLY 15 MILLION (30% x 50 million) ARE VOTING "FOR KERRY" AND 45 MILLION ARE VOTING "FOR BUSH".

KERRY IS NOT ONLY NO WAR HERO, BUT ONE OF THE LEAST LIKED POTENTIAL PRESIDENTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.... WHAT A TOTAL JOKE


37 posted on 09/26/2004 12:17:56 AM PDT by THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD
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To: dickmc

I have a question, forgery indicates copying of something, the only thing about the documents that seemed to have been copied is the signature of Killian.

Would not the documents be fakes instead of forgeries???


38 posted on 09/26/2004 12:22:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: dickmc; THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD
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Excellent report. Great job!

CBS and MSM obviously doesn't care about the truth. They will never ask JFK for his records nor report the absence of them.

Look at the John F. Kerry Timeline. There is already plenty of dirt on this guy, but I'd like to fill in the holes.
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39 posted on 09/26/2004 12:33:40 AM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: dickmc
Damn....glad you are on our side. This should be mandatory reading for every journalism student.

Red

40 posted on 09/26/2004 12:40:21 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (With Rather doing all this backpedaling...he should be wearing pedal pushers.)
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