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Slaughter of Beslan children done as murderers shouted “God is Great”, says theologian
asianews.it ^ | 17 September, 2004 | AsiaNews

Posted on 09/20/2004 10:06:03 PM PDT by Destro

17 September, 2004

RUSSIA

Slaughter of Beslan children done as murderers shouted “God is Great”, says theologian

According to deacon Kuraev, Islam must not let itself be used by terrorists.

Moscow (AsiaNews) – Beslan was a “religious” crime, a “ritual murder” carried out by people shouting Allah Akbar (God is great), this according to Orthodox theologian Andrei Kuraev, professor at the Moscow Orthodox Theological Academy.

In “How to perceive Islam after Beslan?”, an article published on September 15 in the Moscow daily Izvestia, deacon Kuraev writes: “What happened in Beslan is not just a crime. It was a religious crime. It was ritual murder, the murder of children with prayers in the background. The terrorists killed in the name of their faith. They killed people shouting Allah Akbar and sacrificed innocent children on the altar of their religious ideas.”

Kuraev goes further: “They were not just gangsters who killed. They were people of one faith who killed Christians in the name of their creed.” One episode, he believes, makes this point clear. Sacha, a 13-year-old boy, was among the children taken hostage in the school. He wore a cross around his neck. When one of the terrorist saw it, the man turned his gun towards the boy and shouted: “Pray!” Sacha reacted by shouting “Christ is risen!” and escaped through a window.

In his message of condolences to President Putin, Patriarch Aleksij II said that “terrorism showed its satanic face” in Beslan. For Kuraev terrorism is “satanic”, not Islam as a whole. For this reason, he considers the Beslan terrorists satanic. “When I speak of Satanism in relation to the terrorists,” the theologian writes, “I am not defining Islam as a satanic religion. The Beslan terrorists killed many Muslims as well because they saw them as evil Muslims”.

Deacon Kuraev is certain that the fate of the world in the 21st century is in the hands of Muslim theologians. Someone like Mullah Omar (an Afghan spiritual leader linked to Osama bin Laden) supported the 9/11 attacks in New York. By contrast, other Muslim religious leaders strongly disapproved of them. Similarly, he adds, “whilst Saudi Wahabi ulema (legal scholars) have recommended sending women as shahida (martyrs) to Russia, Russian Muslim leaders have repeatedly stated that terrorism in the name of Islam violates Islam’s own principles.”

Kuraev suggests the Russian government create the appropriate conditions for the national media to serve as a forum for those who can offer a peaceful interpretation of Islam and curtail the sermonising by firebrand Muslim radicals.

“Even if the Islamic world refuses to admit it, it is responsible for Muslim terrorism,” Kuraev claims. “Its major fault lies in the fact that it allows itself to be used.” However, the Russian theologian believes the West, too, has to bear some of the responsibility. Deacon Kuraev is in fact convinced that there is anti-Muslim and anti-Christian terrorist plan concocted in the West that seeks to set up a “new global order”. For this reason, he berates those who are “are trying to confuse us and pit us one against the other.” For him, Russia has already become the bulwark “that protects Europe against an aggressive Islamic world”.

In the nineties, Russia opted for a hedonistic culture in lieu of the Christian faith. For deacon Kuraev, the war on terrorism can drive her back into the fold of religion. (AF)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allahakbar; beslan; chechnya; globaljihad; islam; russia
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1 posted on 09/20/2004 10:06:04 PM PDT by Destro
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To: MarMema

bump


2 posted on 09/20/2004 10:06:18 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: F15Eagle; dennisw; FITZ; Yehuda; RussianConservative
We're going to find out, sooner or later,

If Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.

3 posted on 09/20/2004 10:09:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Destro
However, the Russian theologian believes the West, too, has to bear some of the responsibility. Deacon Kuraev is in fact convinced that there is anti-Muslim and anti-Christian terrorist plan concocted in the West that seeks to set up a “new global order”.

Could he be talking about Soros?

4 posted on 09/20/2004 10:10:39 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

Yes, and others.


5 posted on 09/20/2004 10:11:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

These savages filmed themselves raping teenage girls during this siege. Is this in the Koran?


6 posted on 09/20/2004 10:12:29 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Destro
"Deacon Kuraev is in fact convinced that there is anti-Muslim and anti-Christian terrorist plan concocted in the West that seeks to set up a “new global order”."

I'm wondering precisely how the West has benefitted from Islamic terrorism? This inflamatory rhetoric from the perpetually paranoid Russians reminds me of the old saying: "Never trust a Russian".

7 posted on 09/20/2004 10:16:56 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Indie

Muslim cults must be eradicated from this planet.


8 posted on 09/20/2004 10:19:39 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: spyone

The murderers are saying the same thing on the tape as Eugene Armstrong's head is sawed off and as he continues to scream until the last couple of cuts........These people(?) are beyond barbaric........America needs to wake up and realize that they'd like to do that to every one of us. I truly hope that President Bush goes medieval on these wasteoids on the day after the election.


9 posted on 09/20/2004 10:20:17 PM PDT by ALASKA (For every victim of terrorism, we should take out ten family members of the responsible terrorist.)
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To: TheCrusader; struwwelpeter
perpetually paranoid Russians

Boy that is one truth for many of them, you can be sure.

10 posted on 09/20/2004 10:20:42 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: TheCrusader
I'm wondering precisely how the West has benefited from Islamic terrorism? It freed Afghanistan from the Soviets and they were used in Bosnia and Kosovo against the Serbs, no? At least that is how it looks like from a Russian and or Slav perspective. Unpleasant history is easily forgotten.
11 posted on 09/20/2004 10:22:21 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: ALASKA

They truly are evil incarnate. May God bless the soul of that poor man!! And May his family find peace.


12 posted on 09/20/2004 10:23:23 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: ALASKA
Allahu Akbar! = Heil Hitler!

Mein Koran = Mein Kampf

13 posted on 09/20/2004 10:23:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Destro; FormerLib; ezfindit; kosta50; Honorary Serb; katnip; Kolokotronis; RusIvan; ...
Sacha, a 13-year-old boy, was among the children taken hostage in the school. He wore a cross around his neck. When one of the terrorist saw it, the man turned his gun towards the boy and shouted: “Pray!” Sacha reacted by shouting “Christ is risen!” and escaped through a window.

And I thought I was done crying for these children.

INDEED HE IS RISEN, SACHA!

14 posted on 09/20/2004 10:27:59 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
Khristos voskres, voistinu voskres!
15 posted on 09/20/2004 10:35:20 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: jb6; DTA; vooch; joan; ma bell

ping to read about Sacha, a most incredible child who won hugely in the face of terror. With no food or water for 50+ hours, and with a man holding a gun on him demanding he pray, he has the courage to tell the man "Christ is Risen!" before he leaps through a window.


16 posted on 09/20/2004 10:51:42 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: MarMema

I heard on Nightline of all places that the terrorists had beheaded some of the children and also got off their lids. these muslims are barbarians.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 11:09:26 PM PDT by Merry
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To: Merry
I heard on Nightline of all places that the terrorists had beheaded some of the children

I had not heard that. It makes sense that the media here would not want us to know about it, I suppose.

18 posted on 09/20/2004 11:11:17 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

What do you think? About the above post? The video, perhaps.


19 posted on 09/20/2004 11:15:09 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: Mount Athos; Southside_Chicago_Republican; mikhailovich

late ping...


20 posted on 09/20/2004 11:21:04 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: Merry

This cult of the moon rock should be eradicated from the face of the earth. If not now, then wait--it's gonna get worse.

Never give up your arms. If you don't have any, get some. And plenty of ammo.


21 posted on 09/20/2004 11:33:26 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: MarMema

I think the deacon is being charitable. There was a time when I knew little about Islam. I believed they could do their thing and I would do mine, never bothering each other.

Then I read excerpts from the Koran and saw Muslim belief in practice. I'm sure there are many very nice Muslims in the world but if the religion teaches conquest, conversion or death then no one can ever be certain of safety or peaceful coexistence with Islam. History is a good teacher.

I don't have the stomach to watch the latest video. I will have nightmares from what I have read so far. That poor man died a horrific death.


22 posted on 09/20/2004 11:34:05 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: spyone; rmlew
Is this in the Koran?

If video cameras had existed in the time of Mohammed, it would be.

23 posted on 09/20/2004 11:36:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What did Dan Rather know, and when did he know it?)
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To: spyone

Mohammed allowed the rape of prisoners, who were to be sold back to their communities, so long as the rapists practists withdrawl.


24 posted on 09/20/2004 11:38:35 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Oh actually I was referring to the video taken of the girls raped, and wondering if there was a child beheaded on it, and it has been kept under wraps. Someone posted above that it was on Nightline that some of the kids were beheaded.

I figured if they did that, they videotaped it for Putin. Remember the video they sent out on the first day?

25 posted on 09/20/2004 11:39:25 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: struwwelpeter

That is Russian not Ossete.


26 posted on 09/20/2004 11:39:49 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: spyone
spyone wrote:

I have a Russian friend that says the Russian news media and siege survivors are denying that there were rapes.

Can you provide links to reputable stories that the rapes and videotaping thereof in the Beslan siege actually happened?

Anybody who has read my previous postings knows that I am no apologist for low-life Islamofascist savages.

I would just like to have solid evidence, if that's possible.

Thanks.

27 posted on 09/20/2004 11:40:55 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: struwwelpeter
Privyetsvie!

struwwelpeter wrote:

Christ is risen! Of a truth, He has risen!

Blago est' slavit' Gospoda!

28 posted on 09/20/2004 11:49:04 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: spyone
These savages filmed themselves raping teenage girls during this siege. Is this in the Koran?

Mohammad raped at least one teenage girl.

29 posted on 09/20/2004 11:53:44 PM PDT by WritableSpace
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To: Westbrook
link

link

I am only aware of these two sources, however early on I did read in the Russian news that a video was made and sent out "for Putin" on the first day. Some news accounts with testimonials from the girls says it was made of their friends being raped.

30 posted on 09/20/2004 11:54:04 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: MarMema

I remember someone reported the video. I saw outtakes of the terrorists, the bombs and the crowded gym. Not a word about rapes or beheadings. The media has filtered out the worst parts.

Putin looked and still looks deeply affected. The video had to have been bad.


31 posted on 09/21/2004 12:02:03 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: MarMema


Spasiba za links, MarMema.


32 posted on 09/21/2004 12:02:56 AM PDT by Westbrook
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To: MarMema
ping to read about Sacha, a most incredible child who won hugely in the face of terror. With no food or water for 50+ hours, and with a man holding a gun on him demanding he pray, he has the courage to tell the man "Christ is Risen!" before he leaps through a window.

And praise be to the parents and the child's religious teachers for instilling this faith in him.
33 posted on 09/21/2004 12:05:08 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: All

The same WILL happen in the US, in Europe, in every country in the Dar-Al-Haram (Land of violence namely every land where slam does not hold sway). We MUST turn Persia, the youth there are ready to throw away the yoke ofIslam. When Persia throws off the yoke, the house of cards will start to fall


34 posted on 09/21/2004 12:07:10 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos

I think you have the right approach.


35 posted on 09/21/2004 12:09:39 AM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: Destro

With "religions" like this, who needs death cults?

It's time for Bush to stop appeasing the "religion of peace." Hopefully that's a first-term phrase.


36 posted on 09/21/2004 12:11:42 AM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: rmlew
That is Russian not Ossete

I'll bet this much that neither the terrorist nor the child spoke anything but Russian

37 posted on 09/21/2004 12:17:32 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
People tend to pray either in their mother tongue or in the religious language.
However, since wer are probably dealing with an Arab, Chechen, or Ingush terrorist harassing the child, I suppose that Russian would be the common language.
38 posted on 09/21/2004 12:23:43 AM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: TheCrusader

There are plenty in the west who are benefit from terrorism. The EU oligarchs, Soros, etc. The more fearful Western populations become, the more the will vote away their freedom and liberty. At the same time, the Trazis running the show in Europe continue to import millions of Muslims every year to displace the native populace,

Chirac's France is a perfect example of what the Russians are talking about.


39 posted on 09/21/2004 12:29:59 AM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: MarMema
"I heard on Night Line of all places that the terrorists had beheaded some of the children"
"I had not heard that. It makes sense that the media would not want us to know about it."

Great article. It is the only one I've seen that talks about how the terrorists were praying to their god while torturing and murdering children.

When will the media tell the whole story about Beslan? They are not doing anyone a favor by downplaying the details of what happened there.

Telling the story of Beslan, with all the gruesome details, may be the catalyst that is needed for the leaders of Islam to reform it, and denounce the radicals for being the monsters they are. It gives the reasonable people in the religion a chance to separate themselves from the terrorists.

But, when the media covers it up, and the leaders of the religion remain silent, it contributes to a sense that all people who practice Islam are abominations who wallow in blood , delight in torture, and the murder of children, (instead of just the radicals). This perception will not be beneficial for the members of the Islam religion in the long run.

40 posted on 09/21/2004 12:50:24 AM PDT by Pajamajan (John Kerry- The wrong man at the wrong time. Vote for GW BUSH=THE RIGHT MAN)
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To: Destro
Kuraev suggests the Russian government create the appropriate conditions for the national media to serve as a forum for those who can offer a peaceful interpretation of Islam and curtail the sermonising by firebrand Muslim radicals.

How is "a peaceful interpretation" possible when their "Sacred" Scripture contains exhortations by the Prophet to murder infidels?

Who among the rug pilots has the authority to tell them that some of the words of the Prophet (Nuclear annihilation be unto Him) are "Valid", and others aren't?

How can we ever expect to have "Peaceful Coexistence" with Islam when the Koran explicitly tells them not to try to "Peacefully Coexist" with **ANYONE** else?

HUH??? Anybody got an answer?????

41 posted on 09/21/2004 12:57:56 AM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: MarMema
Sacha, a 13-year-old boy, was among the children taken hostage in the school. He wore a cross around his neck. When one of the terrorist saw it, the man turned his gun towards the boy and shouted: “Pray!” Sacha reacted by shouting “Christ is risen!” and escaped through a window.

I'm humbled beyond words.

An incredible, beautiful testimony.

42 posted on 09/21/2004 3:03:13 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: Destro

Kill them all. Believers of Mein Koran are not suited for this world.


43 posted on 09/21/2004 3:05:58 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: struwwelpeter
I'll bet this much that neither the terrorist nor the child spoke anything but Russian

Allah arks barf is Arabic

44 posted on 09/21/2004 3:49:28 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: MarMema

Alithos anesti, Sacha mou!


45 posted on 09/21/2004 4:12:28 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: spyone

“Even if the Islamic world refuses to admit it, it is responsible for Muslim terrorism...”


46 posted on 09/21/2004 5:16:56 AM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: spyone

Jihadists can take captives and "marry" them--don't know if it's in the Koran, but would appear certainly in the Sayings of Mohammed, the Sunnah, and the Al-Hadish.


47 posted on 09/21/2004 5:50:41 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Pajamamama)
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To: Destro
As the Daisey Cutter is dropped from the plane the whole crew was reported as yelling "Take this and shove it up your turbans". One could only hope.
48 posted on 09/21/2004 6:25:02 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: Destro

It is time for Holy Mother Russia to once more lead a crusade against the defilers and Muslim devils. With their help, we could eradicate Islam from the earth!


49 posted on 09/21/2004 6:25:56 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Destro
“terrorism showed its satanic face”

Our world nightmare is that simple. This is one problem a few UN resolutions will not solve.
50 posted on 09/21/2004 6:30:47 AM PDT by Barney59 (Honesty is the only policy)
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