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CBS backs off Guard story (Burkett now maintains source was Lucy Ramirez. LOL)

Posted on 09/20/2004 10:25:03 PM PDT by Bushruffneck

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20040921/1a_cover21x.art0.htm

USA Today Exclusive with Burkett

It is the funniest thing I have ever read. This guy is fregan nuts.


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1 posted on 09/20/2004 10:25:04 PM PDT by Bushruffneck
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To: Bushruffneck
USA Today
2 posted on 09/20/2004 10:26:44 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Bushruffneck

The requested document was not found.


3 posted on 09/20/2004 10:26:56 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: Bushruffneck
BTT

It is the funniest thing I have ever read. This guy is fregan nuts.


Remember Rush pointing to everything aims at Travis County Texas? Austin is in Travis County. Robin is in Austin. Rather (Dan) got caught at a Democratic fund raiser there for/with his daughter Robin. Instinct tells me she is the source & main culprit here and Dan Rather is trying to protect his daughter!


Try Robin Rather!

This is from a message board.

4 posted on 09/20/2004 10:27:14 PM PDT by B-Cause (Kuck Ferry)
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To: Bushruffneck
Who's Lucy Ramirez?

Are you sure he doesn't mean Lucy Ricardo?

5 posted on 09/20/2004 10:27:26 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: counterpunch
Max Cleland's schedule on August 25 in Texas needs to be fully examined. Cleland tried to deliver a letter to President Bush around 1pm in Crawford, followed immediately by a short press conference. When did he leave Texas, where did he leave from, and what did he do in the time in between?

Only days prior to Cleland's impromptu visit to Texas, he began discussions with Bill Burkett, who is now known to be CBS's source for the forged documents.

Later the same day of Cleland's Texas trip, Burkett announced in a rant to President Bush on the progressive onlinejournal that, "I know from your files that we have now reassembled, the fact that you did not fulfill your oath, taken when you were commissioned to 'obey the orders of the officers appointed over you'."

What time was this rant posted?
Did Cleland help him write it?
Who is the "we" Burkett is referring to concerning the documents being "reassembled"?
Did Cleland help Burkett forge the documents on that day?

Crawford, Texas, where Cleland was at 1pm on August 25, is only 162 miles from Baird, Bill Burkett's home.

Did Cleland make a visit there that day?

Did someone in the Kerry campaign act as a middleman in passing along the information to CBS that Burkett had these documents?

Did someone in the Kerry campaign lobby CBS to use these documents or vouch for their authenticity?

CBS claimed that these documents came from "unimpeachable sources."
Other than Burkett, who are the other sources?
Why did CBS consider Burkett "unimpeachable"?
Was the journalistic fraud perpetrated by CBS so deep and corrupt that they actually relied on the sole testimony of a documented crazy person who had already been discredited on kook conspiracy theories involving Bush?
Or is it more reasonable to assume that CBS News would not put their credibility and even their careers on the line unless there was someone like Cleland or Barnes vouching for the documents as well who CBS is now protecting?

CBS must answer the question of how they learned that Burkett now had these memos. Did the discovery of these new documents play a part in Ben Barnes decision that he was now ready to talk to 60 Minutes on air, after Mary Mapes had long been urging him to do so? Is there a connection between this sudden change of heart by Barnes just two days before CBS hit "paydirt" with these forged documents?
Did Ben Barnes see these documents even before CBS did?

Here is some insight into the question:

Rumors about the memos had circulated in the Democratic Party and media circles for weeks; in fact, CBS had used their existence to help persuade Barnes to talk. He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

But now we learn that Barnes decided to talk to CBS just a few days before CBS received the documents:

During the Republican National Convention in New York, Rather got a call from Ben Barnes, a onetime Texas lieutenant governor and veteran Democrat who has known the anchor, a former Houston TV reporter, for 30 years. Barnes said he was ready to say before the cameras that he had pulled strings to get Bush a coveted slot in the Texas Guard in 1968. Mapes had long been urging Barnes to tell his story.

On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents.


This would mean that the Kerry campaign -- which Barnes is co-chair of -- got the documents first, then CBS received them a few days later.
6 posted on 09/20/2004 10:27:32 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Bushruffneck
Looooceeeee! You got some 'splainin' to do...
7 posted on 09/20/2004 10:27:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Bushruffneck

Did you check out posting guidelines, by any chance?


8 posted on 09/20/2004 10:28:13 PM PDT by Judith Anne (First we were digital brownshirts then we were pajama pundits, now we're the piranha of the internet)
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To: B-Cause
Now stop posting that!
That is NOT Dan Rather's daughter.
That is an old picture of Dan himself in the '60s, tripping on LSD.
9 posted on 09/20/2004 10:28:54 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Bushruffneck

Who's Lucy Ramirez?


10 posted on 09/20/2004 10:29:28 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Bushruffneck

Who is Lucy Ramirez?


11 posted on 09/20/2004 10:29:46 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: faithincowboys

Time for some investigative work from the pajama posse.


12 posted on 09/20/2004 10:30:34 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: B-Cause

You mean th DIKE...Robin?


13 posted on 09/20/2004 10:30:36 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Bushruffneck

Who is Lucy Ramirez?


14 posted on 09/20/2004 10:30:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Bushruffneck

WHO IS LUCY RAMIREZ?

Sorry to shout, but we need to know!


15 posted on 09/20/2004 10:30:59 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: B-Cause

Yum,Theres some good eaten.


16 posted on 09/20/2004 10:31:59 PM PDT by Boazo
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To: Bushruffneck

Idiots at USAToday used Burkett twice before on stories!

"Burkett had twice before been an on-the-record source for USA TODAY stories: a Dec. 18, 2001, story on inflated troop counts in the Guard nationwide — so-called ghost soldiers — and a Feb. 12 story this year in which Burkett recounted what he said were efforts by top Texas Guard officials to “cleanse” Bush's military record of embarrassing information in the summer of 1997."


17 posted on 09/20/2004 10:32:03 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Bushruffneck; All

Who in the Hell is Lucy Ramirez?


18 posted on 09/20/2004 10:32:09 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Calico Cat

She is the chick Burkett tell USA today that gave him the Docs.


19 posted on 09/20/2004 10:32:32 PM PDT by Bushruffneck
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

yup...


20 posted on 09/20/2004 10:33:06 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: counterpunch

Excellent, countie!


21 posted on 09/20/2004 10:33:08 PM PDT by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: faithincowboys
Who in the Hell is Lucy Ramirez?

Don't know .. still waiting to find out

22 posted on 09/20/2004 10:33:15 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Bushruffneck

Sorry but I have it on good authority that it was Ethel Merz.


23 posted on 09/20/2004 10:33:31 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask the country what it will do for you!)
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To: FairOpinion
Idiots at USAToday used Burkett twice before on stories!

Well, Mr. Burkett's media ride is OVA! He is radioactive. Even in this article he admits he lies, even on things not central to the story.
24 posted on 09/20/2004 10:33:49 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Bushruffneck

I can't stop laughing. It's bad enough that C-BS and Rather got "misled", but this is just too good. If Rather and company don't already look like fools, this will do it.


25 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:18 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Calico Cat

Lucy Ramirez is the name Burkett has given. He has no proof she exists. His previous "source" was named "Conn".


26 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:21 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Bushruffneck

"Conn, the Texas Guard friend Burkett initially identified as the source of the documents, denied any connection in an e-mail exchange with USA TODAY. He wrote: “Know absolutely nothing about the Killian memos.” Conn declined to be interviewed further. "

You'd think Dan Rather would have wanted to ask Conn first, before going public with the memos.

Burkett has been in a mental institution twice, he really is delusional.


27 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:25 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: counterpunch

WOW!! What a poor, sad man.


28 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:26 PM PDT by starvingstudent (ask your favorite leftist: "If there is another civil war, who do you think will win?")
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To: Calico Cat

"Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez."



where the f is waldo ramirez, i mean carmen san diego, er uh, lucy ramirez?

Probably in China with the clintong's other FOB's.
She sunk the kerry kampaign reaaaal good.


29 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:36 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

here's a guy that might know:

http://hinojosa.house.gov/news/speech.cfm?id=198


30 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:46 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: B-Cause

omg when did rat'er have long hair , is this a cross dressing story?


31 posted on 09/20/2004 10:34:49 PM PDT by JRM-2M6
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To: Bushruffneck
She is the chick Burkett tell USA today that gave him the Docs.

She's the polka-dot dress lady from 1968.
32 posted on 09/20/2004 10:35:10 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Bushruffneck

Wait... is Karl Rove Ramirez?


33 posted on 09/20/2004 10:35:44 PM PDT by woofie (This document was generated in 2004 by a computer)
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To: Arkinsaw

The Way he describes the Lucy lady, he makes sound like some espianoge movie thriller where there all wearing sunglasses and Trenchcoats. And then the nervous breakdowns infront of the reporter just tops it off. Hillarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!


34 posted on 09/20/2004 10:36:45 PM PDT by Bushruffneck
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To: counterpunch

"This would mean that the Kerry campaign -- which Barnes is co-chair of -- got the documents first, then CBS received them a few days later."

You put together a good timeline.

The above is exactly what the America Spectator article said, quoting an unidentified Dem staffer.

I forgot the title of the article, but you seem to be up on all that.


35 posted on 09/20/2004 10:37:31 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: B-Cause

What a looker!!


36 posted on 09/20/2004 10:37:40 PM PDT by starvingstudent (ask your favorite leftist: "If there is another civil war, who do you think will win?")
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To: counterpunch

This story gets more and more strange. I feel like I'm living in a O. Stone movie.


37 posted on 09/20/2004 10:38:19 PM PDT by starvingstudent (ask your favorite leftist: "If there is another civil war, who do you think will win?")
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To: Bushruffneck; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool; Coop
It is the funniest thing I have ever read. This guy is fregan nuts.

AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!!!!

POST OF THE MONTH, RIGHT HERE!!!

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 09/20/2004 10:38:34 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Calico Cat

Is Lucy Karl? Is Burkett really a Republican only pretending to be a nutcase Dem so he can snare CBS in his evil plot?


I just want to give the lurkers from DU a tingle


39 posted on 09/20/2004 10:39:10 PM PDT by woofie (This document was generated in 2004 by a computer)
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To: B-Cause

one look at robin and y'all can guess why howard dean said "YEEEEEARGGGG"!!!!! she musta been in the front row!!!


40 posted on 09/20/2004 10:39:22 PM PDT by lonster
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To: B-Cause

Good G-d!!! A bull*ike if I ever saw one!


41 posted on 09/20/2004 10:39:50 PM PDT by Al Simmons ("Torpedoes in the Water!" - SwiftVets for Truth)
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To: faithincowboys

Nice find... here's the full text

Speeches:
Congressman Hinojosa's remarks at San Juan Nuestra Clinica groundbreaking

April 7, 2004 – It is a pleasure to be here today. I would like to thank Mayor Laredo, Mr. Gonzalez, and of course, Lucy Ramirez and the board members present for allowing me to take part in this very special event.

Nuestra Clinica del Valle is a huge source of pride and admiration for me. Lucy Ramirez, along with the Nuestra board of directors, and the dedicated staff at all of the clinics know no limits when it comes to serving the health needs of the Rio Grande Valley.

By simply not accepting any funding or personnel shortage as a barrier to their mission, Nuestra Clinica del Valle has been able to provide services to more than 29,000 South Texans. That is almost 30,000 of our friends and neighbors who will live longer and healthier lives because of the people here before you today.

At a time when medical facilities throughout the nation are closing their doors or at least cutting services, Nuestra Clinica continues to grow and touch more lives.
The reason for this progress is that Lucy Ramirez knows how to facilitate local and federal partnerships. This groundbreaking for the new San Juan facility is the result of the coordination of funding from two federal agencies, land donated from the city, and assistance from my congressional office...all brought together by Ms. Ramirez. With her unique brand of diplomacy skills and fundraising ability, she could have a great career in politics! But, as you know, we really need her here at the helm of Nuestra Clinica.

I am sure that this San Juan facility will be at capacity from the day it opens and that Nuestra Clinica del Valle will continue to find ways to reach out to the indigent and others who have no other place to turn. It is an honor to witness your seemingly constant expansion, and to be able to help out where I can. I commend you all for your work and congratulate you for your success.

Thank you for having me. I look forward to returning for the ribbon-cutting of the San Juan Clinic.


42 posted on 09/20/2004 10:40:41 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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Anatomy of a Forgery
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096

According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."


43 posted on 09/20/2004 10:41:27 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Bushruffneck

These documents probably changed hands dozens of times to clear away any trace of the ultimate culprits. Who are they? Wanna bet one of them is interested in running for the presidency in 2008 as the Democratic nominee.


44 posted on 09/20/2004 10:41:32 PM PDT by midftfan
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To: B-Cause

RE: Robin R. ----I've seen girly-men---this is a
manny-girl.


45 posted on 09/20/2004 10:41:42 PM PDT by willyboyishere ( i)
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To: B-Cause

C'mon, that's not a real woman...I hope...for her sake.


46 posted on 09/20/2004 10:41:47 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (The Final Score: Buckhead 1, Talking Head 0)
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To: Arkinsaw

Lucy Ramirez is of course Lucy from the "Peanuts"
comic strip. Could be her married name. Who'd a thunk it?


47 posted on 09/20/2004 10:43:25 PM PDT by willyboyishere ( i)
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To: tallhappy
"Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez."---USA Today
48 posted on 09/20/2004 10:43:56 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: tallhappy; Billthedrill

"WAAAHHH!!! I'm sorry, Burky!!!"

49 posted on 09/20/2004 10:43:57 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (FReepers in Pajamas)
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To: Bushruffneck

Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucy!!!!!


50 posted on 09/20/2004 10:44:04 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with the Oil for Food program, let's let them run the whole country!)
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