Posted on 09/23/2004 9:18:29 PM PDT by Rokke
I mean, don't ya just hate it? Ya know, when folks see the beginning of a thread, and instead of following the whole story, just jump in at the end the next day, and miss the big news a hundred or so posts earlier. Folks are still thrashing around about 3 Mar 91, when it transpires that K actually was there, Safwan, but on 17 Mar 91. K needs grammar therapy, but his O'Reilly statement was basically correct.
Of course, the bi-polar angle is still valid. How else to explain K's total denial of his presence at the K.C. Nov 71 meeting, or the floating bodies of Olongopao, or his bogus visit to DaNang, etc.
Ok, that explains why he was in the US Senate on March 14th, and then jetted back from Safwan to Vote two days later on March 19th, 'On Passage of the Bill (Final Passage - H.R.1282)'
Yep, it's just amazing that a Senator who so strongly opposed the Gulf War in the first place would fly there to get in on the 'victory party' and still not miss any votes in the Senate.
However, he still lied to O'Reilly - he wasn't there when he said he was.
Lately, it's doom and gloom...
He looks like death warmed over, actually.
Kerry's thigh has shrapnel, records show(Kerry campaign removes 20 pages of documents from website)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197480/posts?q=1&&page=51#61
Someone mentioned on another thread that if one were to have any metal in one's body (presuming that the shrapnel spoken about IS metal - though I don't know if non-metal debris would be called shrapnel), you cannot undergo an MRI procedure. Kerry has undergone at least one MRI reported in the press...
The New York Sun March 30, 2004 Tuesday In a conference call with reporters yesterday, Mr. Kerry's surgeon, Bertram Zarins, said the senator has a partial tear of the subscapularis tendon in his rotator cuff. Dr. Zarins said the injury stemmed from a mishap in January on the Kerry campaign bus in Iowa.
"The senator was walking down the aisle and the bus suddenly lurched. Senator Kerry grabbed a railing and wrenched his shoulder," Dr. Zarins said. Mr. Kerry later complained of shoulder pain. In February, he underwent an MRI test that revealed the tear.
Dr. Zarins said he and Mr. Kerry initially opted for a wait-and-see approach regarding the shoulder, hoping that the pain would abate. It did not.
61 posted on 08/23/2004 12:04:51 PM CDT by Range Rover (Kerry is a Fraud)
Schwartzkopf isn't the guy to ask. He flew in, made his demands, agreed to let the Iraqis fly helicopters for reconstruction purposes, signed the papers and flew out.
The two people most responsible for setting the deal up were General Fred Franks, Commanding 7th Corps, and General Tom Rhame, Commanding 1st Infantry Division. Franks oversaw the process, Rhame saw to the nuts and bolts, and 1INF did the actual work and provided aerial and ground security.
Kerry wasn't there on March 17th -- the guy above LIED just like his hero Kerry!
I checked out the UN and found nothing relating to that date so I went to find out what happened on March 17th, 1991 and here it is:
March 17, 1991 9 of 15 Soviet reps officially approve new union treaty
March 17, 1991 Irish Lesbians & Gays march in St Patrick Day parade
March 17, 1991 John Robin Baitz' "Substance of Fire," premieres in NYC
March 17, 1991 NJ raises turnpike tolls 70%
March 17, 1991 Penny Hammel wins Desert Inn LPGA Golf International
And then here in this Country:
George Bush: 1989-1993
Good one, Fatuncle, but I Bob told this story pretty much as I related it. The only flaw is that Kerry is such a snob and has so much money, I cannot imagine him flying anything but private aircraft.
The incident(s) could have happened at any time since his derring do in Viet Nam, however.
I hate to do this but I think some are reading too much into this quote. He doesn't say he witnessed the signing or was at the signing. He says he was in the area during the time it was signed.
Granted the way he worded it, it implies he was there during the signing. Typical Kerry to exaggerate his self-importance. With Kerry and Clinton one has to parse carefully.
Even so - I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even near the place during the signing.
No, he was an incarnate of ZELLIG!
I wondered why questions were still being asked about his whereabouts that day, trying to determine the date of the signing etc. Man what a lot of duplicate effort, but, if you come into a thread after a lot of posts have already been made, man that is a lot to read through....much more fun to jump in and try to solve the puzzle:)
If that is the case, is this an example of another lie? I came across something else I am wondering about. I want to do a bit of digging to see what I can find before I post it. I was not sure if this thread was still alive.
He likes to see people give up ?.. : )
FReeper mas55th FReepmailed me that he paid the $2.95 to get into the archives of the GLOBE and found that he was indeed at the town, not at the signing, on the day of the signing. He was meeting soldiers and telling them that they were heros. One soldier told him that the mail delivery was slow, as though the good Senator would do something about it.
Kerry in Safwan? NO. Proving a negative is very difficult. However, the town of Safwan was under IRAQI Rep. Guard control. The 3/3/91 attendees were GENERALS! The Washington Post was given info by a Commander (see below). If the Washington Post has NR, then there is a need to check roll calls in teh Senate to see if Kerry was there OR call Kerry's Office and ask - see what happens! References and excerpts below...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/cron/
1991
February 28 Cease-fire takes effect at 8 A.M.
March 2 24th Infantry Division fights Hammurabi Division as it flees; destroys six hundred vehicles.
March 3 Schwarzkopf meets Iraqi generals at Safwan.
March 5 David Eberly and most other POWs are released.
June 8 Victory parade in Washington.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/script_b.html
Gen. NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF: I had no instructions whatsoever, so lacking any, and based upon the conversations Colin and I had had, I_ I_ called my stenographer in and dictated my own terms of reference. And then I called up Colin and said, "I'm going to send these to you." You know, "If_ if you all approve, then send them back to me. This is what I'll do."
Gen. CALVIN WALLER: The Pentagon changed "happy" to "glad," "we" to "they" and put in a few fixes, gave it to the State Department and the State Department changed a couple of words and sent it back to us and says, "Use this."
NARRATOR: [March 3, 1991, Southern Iraq] Schwarzkopf decided that the ceasefire talks would be held in coalition-occupied Iraq, near the town of Safwan. The Iraqi leadership wanted a deal that would return their captured territory and give them the freedom to crush the rebellions. Schwarzkopf's objectives were simpler.
Gen. NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF: I went to Safwan with my own instructions, which basically, number one, was to get our POWs back and then, number two, to make sure that we had very, very clear lines drawn so that we didn't have any inadvertent battles after that.
NARRATOR: A pair of Apache gunships hovered over the approaching Iraqi convoy. Just hours before, Saddam had personally briefed the Iraqi generals arriving to meet Schwarzkopf.
Gen. WAFIC AL SAMMARAI, Iraqi Military Intelligence: [through interpreter] Saddam wanted to consolidate the ceasefire in any way he could and he ordered his officers to give any information they knew about the minefields and the prisoners of war. He didn't want to give the West any excuse to resume fighting. He wanted to sign a ceasefire agreement at any price.
NARRATOR: Accompanied by the Saudi commander-in-chief, Schwarzkopf led the defeated Iraqi generals to the tent where the meeting would be held. Once the talks got under way, Schwarzkopf got everything he wanted, but so did the Iraqis.
http://www.qrmapps.com/rantburg/gw1/safwan.htm
Meeting at Safwan
On March 3rd, Schwarzkopf met with the representatives of the Iraqis to dictate the terms of surrender. The meeting was held in Safwan, a town in Iraq that was under the control of a Republican Guard armored brigade. On Friday, with the temporary cease-fire in effect, 1st Infantry Division sent Col. Tony Moreno’s 2nd Brigade to secure the area. Moreno sent two companies equipped with Bradley AFVs to the airfield there to ask the Iraqis to withdraw.
The Iraqis on the scene were not enthusiastic about the idea. They asked us why we were in Iraq, and if we were lost, Capt. Ken Pope, commander of one of the two companies, told the Washington Post.
....
The meeting lasted for two hours, and was observed by allied generals from Britain, France, Kuwait, Egypt, Syria, and other Coalition partners. The talks, as described by Lt. Gen. de la Billiere, “started off cool, and it never really got any warmer.” There were no discussions on the conduct of the war, no shop talk; all was focused on the immediate problems of implementing the cease-fire. “I would describe the Iraqis as pushing to see this resolved as quickly as possible and agreeing to everything they needed to,” de la Billiere said. There was no argument.
Kerry has lied about so much its hard to tell.
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