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Navy to Shut Down Sub Radio Transmitters
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS via NY Times ^
| September 26, 2004
| THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted on 09/26/2004 4:05:33 PM PDT by 68skylark
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I have a dream that one day we'll find old social programs that aren't working well today -- and shut them down. It's only a dream.
For years, peace activists and environmentalists targeted the two huge transmitters in the Chequamegon National Forest near Clam Lake and in Upper Michigan's Escanaba State Forest.
This should help the presdient win the votes of environmental wackos -- right?
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:05:33 PM PDT
by
68skylark
To: 68skylark
I have a dream that one day we'll find old social programs that aren't working well today -- and shut them down. I think it'd be great to shut down the gigantic ones that Bush has rammed through.
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:07:44 PM PDT
by
Hank Rearden
(Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
To: 68skylark
That is a dream. The cry would be that the programs just haven't been shown enough love and imagination yet. Imagine if the Navy used that argument to keep faulty equipment!
To: 68skylark
This should help the presdient win the votes of environmental wackos -- right? Hardly... because somehow they'll justify blaming Bush for initiating the program 40 years before he became President.
To: Hank Rearden
I think it'd be great to shut down the gigantic ones that Bush has rammed through.That's fine with me. I don't really care if we shut down old ones or new ones, big ones or small ones. The more we shut down the better.
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:09:32 PM PDT
by
68skylark
To: 68skylark
"The more we shut down the better." May I suggest:
The Department of Education
The Legal Services "Corporation"
The National Endowment for the Arts
Housing and Urban Development
Just for starters?
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:16:24 PM PDT
by
boris
(The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
To: 68skylark
For years, peace activists and environmentalists targeted the two huge transmitters in the Chequamegon National Forest near Clam Lake and in Upper Michigan's Escanaba State Forest. If you ask me, the parties who oppose this technology are a damned good reason to KEEP the technology in place! The so-called "peace activists" are nothing but communist sympathizers who seek to leave the free world weak and our enemies strong. And as for the envirowhackos, they're the reason why we're so dependent on Arab oil. If we were unencumbered by their neo-socialist lunacy, we'd be drilling offshore and in the ANWR without complication and would have enough oil to lay down the law on the Arab Street without fear of oil-based reprisals.
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:20:03 PM PDT
by
Prime Choice
(It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
To: 68skylark
Actually they were secretly communicating with whales.
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:29:22 PM PDT
by
boris
(The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
To: Prime Choice
On-the-money analysis and rant regretfully deleted...
The article says:
"The Navy spent $13 million a year to run both ELF transmitters"
I'd love to compare that to what Congresscritters shell out anually for franking privileges!
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:31:17 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: 68skylark
Served it's MOST important purpose? Sure as hell did. Spending $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in WISCONSIN!!!!!!! Oops! Not suppose to look at it that way, are we?
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:40:11 PM PDT
by
Waco
To: Prime Choice
If you ask me, the parties who oppose this technology are a damned good reason to KEEP the technology in place! The so-called "peace activists" are nothing but communist sympathizers who seek to leave the free world weak and our enemies strong. And as for the envirowhackos, they're the reason why we're so dependent on Arab oil. If we were unencumbered by their neo-socialist lunacy, we'd be drilling offshore and in the ANWR without complication and would have enough oil to lay down the law on the Arab Street without fear of oil-based reprisals.
I'll drink to that. BTW, love your site and parodies, I love seeing the "fresh meat." Keep up the good work! I also will send prayers too.
We need to keep the longwave ELF/VLF transmitters in place, the whole idea behind them is that the low frequency radio signals can penitrate the earth and oceans very well at the depths the sub run at. Also, the lower in frequency, the better the radio signal can follow the curvature of the Earth way past the horizon. That's why lower frequency AM radio stations "travel more" than the ones at the upper end of the dial. I can pick up WJR in Detroit on 760 kc in the daytime here in Pittsburgh although the flatness of Lake Erie helps. Same thing with VHF-Lo signals (30-50 Mc), even though they don't travel nearly as far (except ionospheric skip), the signals travel far enough for police/fire etc. to use in rural areas. ELF/VLF is an extreme version of that, IIRC, they operate around 9 kc and although at those frequencies you have very little bandwidth to where you're limited to a few characters a minutes, all you need to communicate with the subs is a handful of codes.
I'm an amateur radio operator and general "radiohead" so this issue has peaked my interest. I remember in the 1980's, Governor Michael Dukakis didn't like the longwave GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) antennas to be placed in Massachusetts. I believe GWEN is shut down now, I don't hear them on longwave anymore (around 171 kc, below the AM band) although I could tell what they are, they send short packets with the distinct sound that resembles opening the squelch (the hissing noise) on a VHF/UHF two-way radio or police scanner.
Let me add, Russ Feingold is an idiot although he did vote to impeach Beelzebubba so he isn't a total loss.
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:40:30 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
To: 68skylark
Demonstrations led to hundreds of arrests, some for trespassing onto the site and sawing down poles.
Someone should have hit the transmit button when they were cutting the poles.
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posted on
09/26/2004 4:43:38 PM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: 68skylark
Demonstrations led to hundreds of arrests, some for trespassing onto the site and sawing down poles.My what dingbats we have in this country!
To: 68skylark
We are not in a first nuclear strike era??
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posted on
09/26/2004 5:05:39 PM PDT
by
mlmr
(The End is Near.)
To: boris
Amen, brother! You're preaching to the chior.
To: boris
LOL! Or maybe it's with space aliens. Didn't I see an X-Files episode like that?
To: 68skylark
Nah, it was for whales...
To: 68skylark
We have developed a new and more efficient means for these communictions.
To: Denver Ditdat
To: ConservativeByChoice
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