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Fox hunting ban passed amid violent clashes (UK)
Taipai Times ^ | 17 September 2004

Posted on 09/26/2004 8:18:58 PM PDT by Lorianne

Supporters of fox hunting stormed Britain's parliament Wednesday and clashed with police in the streets, but failed to stop lawmakers from voting by an overwhelming margin to ban the blood sport.

Debate was suspended for 30 minutes after five pro-hunt protesters, in the first incident of its kind in modern times, burst into the House of Commons chamber -- the second dramatic security breach in London in three days.

"Clearly the intrusion was a carefully planned operation," said Commons speaker Michael Martin, adding that parliament was asking police to carry out a full investigation.

The five, wearing T-shirts depicting Prime Minister Tony Blair with devil's horns, were arrested -- while outside, riot police with batons and tear gas kept back 10,000 furious pro-hunt demonstrators hurling bottles and fireworks.

At least 19 people were injured in the melee, including a police officer, while a total of seven people were arrested, the Metropolitan Police said.

In a late-night statement, police said the five intruders, plus three others who failed to enter the Commons chamber, all aged 21 to 42, had been charged with violent disorder, burglary with intent to commit criminal damage, and "suspicion of uttering a forged instrument."

Despite the protests and after an afternoon of debate, MPs voted 356 to 166 in favor of legislation to ban fox hunting with dogs in England and Wales. The blood sport has been banned in Scotland since 2002.

They then went on to vote 342-15 for the ban to take effect in July 2006, enabling countryside dwellers whose livelihoods depend on fox hunting to find other means to make a living.

The legislation goes Thursday to the House of Lords, which has stalled previous attempts at banning fox hunting.

This time around, however, Blair's government has pledged to use special laws to overrule the unelected upper house to put the ban in place after years of controversy. But Wednesday was certain to be remembered as the first time that "strangers," to use a quaint parliamentary phrase, have invaded the Commons floor in modern times, and possibly since Charles I invaded parliament in 1642.

It occurred four months after Blair was hit by a condom full of purple-colored flour thrown from the public gallery, and two days after a protester dressed as Batman climbed onto a ledge at the front of Buckingham Palace, the official residence of Queen Elizabeth II.

Both stunts were the work of a fathers' rights group, but observers inevitably wondered what could have happened if hardened terrorists had been the perpetrators.

One of the five protesters was Otis Ferry, 21, Britain's youngest hunt master, news media reported. Ferry is the son of rock crooner Bryan Ferry, of the 1970s band Roxy Music.

Another, Luke Tomlinson, 27, is an Eton-educated top polo player and long-standing friend of Prince William and Prince Harry, the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported.

Martin, the Commons speaker, said a total of eight men gained access from parliament's main public entrance, St Stephen's Gate, using a forged letter inviting them to a meeting in a committee corridor.

Once inside, they were led to a stairway, "probably" by someone with a parliamentary pass, whipped off their jackets, then rushed doorkeepers who managed to stop only three of them.

Blair was not in the Commons at the time, nor did he vote on the ban.

Banning fox hunting has been simmering since the Labour Party took power in 1997, and came to a boil in September last year when more than 400,000 hunt supporters bore down on London for an unprecedented march.

Supporters insist the practice is an inalienable right in rural Britain, unappreciated by city dwellers, and a rural tradition which helps control countryside pests and provides thousands of jobs.

Opponents say it is both elitist and barbaric, with a pack of dogs tracking a live animal and then tearing it apart. Opinion polls suggest that a majority of Britons favor a ban.

The Commons has overwhelmingly adopted legislation to ban fox hunting before, most recently in June 2003, only to see it blocked in the Lords, which has deep roots in the land-owning aristocracy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: animalrights; animalwhackos; badnews; democracy; foxhunting; goodgrief; goodolemerryuk; hunting; huntingprotesters; slavery; ukbusted
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1 posted on 09/26/2004 8:18:58 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

they took all their guns away..... now they are going to take all the male things away from them... soon there will be no reason to be male in europe....


2 posted on 09/26/2004 8:23:24 PM PDT by Gibtx (Wow)
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To: Lorianne

Oh come on! Blood sport?!?


3 posted on 09/26/2004 8:24:15 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Gibtx

There are lots of women fox hunters!


4 posted on 09/26/2004 8:25:31 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne; ecurbh; CindyDawg; AnAmericanMother; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Endeavor; cjshapi; ..
Ping!

Ping!


5 posted on 09/26/2004 8:28:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (John Kerry... Almost as presidential as Jane Fonda.)
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To: Lorianne; Travis McGee; shaggy eel; Prime Choice; archy; Joe Brower; neverdem; B4Ranch; ...
What Say the Reeds at Runnymede?

Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
What say the reeds at Runnymede?
The lissom reeds that give and take,
That bend so far, but never break,
They keep the sleepy Thames awake
With tales of John at Runnymede.

At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
Oh, hear the reeds at Runnymede:
'You musn't sell, delay, deny,
A freeman's right or liberty.
It wakes the stubborn Englishry,
We saw 'em roused at Runnymede!

When through our ranks the Barons came,
With little thought of praise or blame,
But resolute to play the game,
They lumbered up to Runnymede;
And there they launched in solid line
The first attack on Right Divine,
The curt uncompromising "Sign!'
They settled John at Runnymede.

At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
Your rights were won at Runnymede!
No freeman shall be fined or bound,
Or dispossessed of freehold ground,
Except by lawful judgment found
And passed upon him by his peers.
Forget not, after all these years,
The Charter signed at Runnymede.'

And still when mob or Monarch lays
Too rude a hand on English ways,
The whisper wakes, the shudder plays,
Across the reeds at Runnymede.
And Thames, that knows the moods of kings,
And crowds and priests and suchlike things,
Rolls deep and dreadful as he brings
Their warning down from Runnymede!

full text of the Magna Carta

6 posted on 09/26/2004 8:30:52 PM PDT by risk
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To: Lorianne

Next thing you know they'll crack down on dog fights in London.


7 posted on 09/26/2004 8:33:23 PM PDT by deadeye2
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To: risk

,,, let the foxes run unhindered. The new sport has to be hunting down anti-hunt protestors.


8 posted on 09/26/2004 8:34:59 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Lorianne

The error on the brits was thinking they had any rights left at all that aren't revokable by westminster.


9 posted on 09/26/2004 8:35:16 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: shaggy eel
Rolls deep and dreadful as he brings / Their warning down from Runnymede!
10 posted on 09/26/2004 8:38:20 PM PDT by risk
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To: Lorianne
This is a terrible so called "sport". Where is the sport of it? The dogs are trained to kill. How is that a human sport. If they want to control the fox population...they need to find a much more humane way.
11 posted on 09/26/2004 8:40:30 PM PDT by codyjacksmom (OH!!! The Hu-Vanities..... ummmm,uhhhhh, I mean Humanities, yeah thats what I meant.)
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To: codyjacksmom

Like how? Wanna explain? HOW! Trapping? How about simply using poison? Would that suit you?


12 posted on 09/26/2004 8:44:06 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz
Lighten up Francis. There are so many ways to do it. My county has a deer problem. They set up a couple times a year especially for hunting deer. Whether by shooting, or bow. How is it a sport to teach one animal to rip apart another animal just for sport? If the animal were doing it out of instinct and survival, that is a whole different story. I think it is a sick thing they are doing. It's not right to put animals through barbaric torture. Period.
13 posted on 09/26/2004 8:49:52 PM PDT by codyjacksmom (OH!!! The Hu-Vanities..... ummmm,uhhhhh, I mean Humanities, yeah thats what I meant.)
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To: codyjacksmom

Tell me why we should care more about foxes than the people's deeply-held cultural traditions?


14 posted on 09/26/2004 8:52:28 PM PDT by risk
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To: Lorianne

Related interesting item--Bryan Ferry's (Roxy Music) son is a young master of hounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/25/notis25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/25/ixhome.html


15 posted on 09/26/2004 8:53:39 PM PDT by duvausa
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To: codyjacksmom
This is a terrible so called "sport". Where is the sport of it? The dogs are trained to kill.

How is that a human sport.

If they want to control the fox population...they need to find a much more humane way.

Humane way?

What does Humane way mean?

A more sensitive way to kill terrorist also.

16 posted on 09/26/2004 9:00:04 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.")
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To: Lorianne
only to see it blocked in the Lords, which has deep roots in the land-owning aristocracy

Yes, I'm sure they're mostly blue blooded manor house owners who together own the single largest percentage of land in the UK. Bull.
17 posted on 09/26/2004 9:00:33 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: crz

The logical objection to bear-baiting does not devolve from sympathy for the bruinish one.
Logically, one (ME, alcuin!) must declare: Oh men! Oh women!
Better that 1.93 guilty foxen should run free (run, little foxen, run fast!) than that one INNOCENT bear should appear on 60 Minutes.


18 posted on 09/26/2004 9:00:44 PM PDT by alcuin (getridofthateffinlooselipssinkshipsgesture)
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To: risk
First I think some of the macho fox hunters need to answer my questions in my first post. How is this a sport? Enlighten me. The people ride on their horsies and follow the dogs. I'm not getting how this is a sport.

Second...who gives a hell about a tradition if it is barbaric and just plane wrong???? It used to be a tradition among some of the American Indians to scalp the white man. Should we let them continue to do so because we wouldn't want to upset their "deeply-held cultural traditions"??? Duh!
19 posted on 09/26/2004 9:00:45 PM PDT by codyjacksmom (OH!!! The Hu-Vanities..... ummmm,uhhhhh, I mean Humanities, yeah thats what I meant.)
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To: Lorianne

Rural constituencies ought to lobby (or beg) for legislation governing the brand of toilet paper that Londoners use to wipe their rears with.


20 posted on 09/26/2004 9:02:42 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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