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Ellsberg urges insiders to give leaks about war in Iraq
Gazette Times, Oregon ^ | September 27, 2004 | AP

Posted on 09/27/2004 2:02:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: laredo44

"The U.S. invasion of Iraq has destabilized the Middle East and made Americans more vulnerable to terrorist attacks at home, Ellsberg said."

So let's say we never invaded Iraq. Right now Saddam would be working on his WMD program as would Libya. So that would be two more nations developing WMD. Now there are two less and we are at the doorstep of the other two, Iran and Syria.

I think we are doing pretty good despite what Mr. Ellsberg thinks.
As usual, the Liberals are wrong.


21 posted on 09/27/2004 5:32:43 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I love people like Ellsburg's reasoning. To wit Al-Qaeda is a severe threat to our country, so therefore we shouldn't be fighting them in Iraq. But these clowns further contradict themselves. First they say that fighting terrorists is legitimate (if they're not in Iraq), but then they claim by fighting them we are creating more of them so maybe we shouldn't fight them. How does Ellsburg know that we didn't create more terrorists when we ousted the Taliban? Why would toppling Hussein create more terrorists than getting rid of the Taliban a government that sponsored terrorist orgs like Al-Qaeda? And is he saying that if you perceive a threat to your country, don't react to it because you might make more enemies? Ellsburg's "logic" escapes me.


22 posted on 09/27/2004 5:35:20 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It's coming to the big push. All of the Traitors, Communist Socialist from the 1930's up to today are coming out to win for themselves a place in history by publicly taking over the democrat party of the U.S.
From these days forward, if the U.S. is to remain a free country the citizens will have to fight harder, organize more, and donate money for that purpose. The fight for freedom is now in the U.S. not in a foreign country. The U.S. may later have to go outside of it's borders for money to remain free and to fight these Communist Socialist that has become so powerful here in the U.S.A.


23 posted on 09/27/2004 5:38:17 AM PDT by AIC
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All of the cockroaches of your generation are crawling out of their hiding spaces. Thank you, John Kerry.

Does anybody have a giant can of RAID?


24 posted on 09/27/2004 5:41:05 AM PDT by Samwise (The Pajama People: They also serve who hunt and peck.)
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To: AIC

It makes me shake my head when people say communism is dead.


25 posted on 09/27/2004 5:43:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: driftless

Iraq is a magnet for terrorists and our well equipped miltary is fighting them in Iraq and elsewhere and not here.I say that's the right way.

AND look at the map. Bush is surrounding them.

Israel

Afghanistan

Lybia

Iraq

Pakistan

India


26 posted on 09/27/2004 5:47:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Further, the study showed a deep cynicism toward the public and a disregard for the loss of life and injury suffered by soldiers and civilians.

That's not surprising given that media coverage of Vietnam was universally NEGATIVE. At that point, folks had been led to believe that the Tet Offensive was successful for the NVA, when it was exactly the opposite. CBS and Walter Cronkite (the most trusted newsman in the US, HAH) led this effort. Too bad the Pajama Warriors were not in force back then!

27 posted on 09/27/2004 5:50:20 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It's very possible that the Vietnam demon will be largely laid to rest with this election. The folks who have lorded over this country because of their 'moral superiority' in opposing the Vietnam war will finally be repudiated by a public that has been able to learn more about that war and the way public opinion was manipulated by the media coverage of it. Regular folks are not allowing the media to get away with distortions about the situation in Iraq during this War on Terror, and the country is much better for that.

Veterans who were villified will finally get their due; I think many Vietnam vets can't WAIT to vote against Kerry, the weasel.

28 posted on 09/27/2004 5:56:29 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This raises a legitimate issue. Where should our civil servants place their loyalty and thus dictate their behavior particuarly when it involves national security issues? The government even when they engage in coverups and fibbing to the American public? At what point is it wrong for a person to keep his mouth shut even when faced with govt deception aka Waco/Kosovo/ect?


29 posted on 09/27/2004 6:02:43 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Am back but just for a short while)
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.....Too bad the Pajama Warriors were not in force back then!

I think a lot of people are going to reflect and reconsider their stance on Vietnam.

30 posted on 09/27/2004 6:03:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: KantianBurke

Lots of times public servants don't know the entire story.


31 posted on 09/27/2004 6:04:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And those that do? And what of those that know enough to determine what is being told to the American public is false?


32 posted on 09/27/2004 6:09:59 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Am back but just for a short while)
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I guess if they want to, they can go to the media.

Hopefully, they will consider the big picture.


33 posted on 09/27/2004 6:18:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That sort of excuse making "look at the big picture" was precisely what the NOW nags preached during Bubba's impeachment and sexual harrasment trial. Now if anything should be condemned as being wrong, its that sort of ostrucfication. Or are you arguing that personal political preferences should determine one's level of truthfulness?


34 posted on 09/27/2004 6:23:20 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Am back but just for a short while)
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I'm saying, that one needs to take their county's position in war. If they have a problem with something they should take it to someone who has more influence or who could give them more information, or an explanation. If their conscience dictates that this isn't helping, and the situation is so totally dire, then they will have to do what they must. We live in a free country.
35 posted on 09/27/2004 6:31:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Oh, would that I could...


36 posted on 09/27/2004 8:28:08 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • veni • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This guy needs to be arrested for treason!


37 posted on 09/27/2004 8:30:34 AM PDT by crushelits
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