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The Case Against Socialized Medicine
The Daily Beacon ^ | 09/28/2004 | John Brown

Posted on 09/28/2004 1:19:47 PM PDT by johnnyb325

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To: libs_kma

Ha ha. What is DU?


61 posted on 09/28/2004 3:59:17 PM PDT by Liberal scum
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To: Kleon
We can sit for hours and discuss what a right is, and whether people have a right to health care, or whether it's an entitlement. What really matters, though, is the fact that health care is a necessity, like food and water, things that give life. We do have a right to life, right?

Do you get food and water for free and on demand?

62 posted on 09/28/2004 4:00:41 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Terry McAuliffe -- The Gift that Keeps on Giving)
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To: libs_kma

"Because his need now comes second to the people who dont pay taxes"

Huh? Why is that? Here in socialized Spain, I, a full time worker, get the exact same medical service as a pensioner.

What do you mean?


63 posted on 09/28/2004 4:01:43 PM PDT by Liberal scum
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To: NYC GOP Chick

No, but nobody gets health care for free, either. We all pay for it sooner or later.

OK, so you can argue that there are slackers who get a free ride on the nationalized system, but they're the tiny exception.


64 posted on 09/28/2004 4:03:58 PM PDT by Liberal scum
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To: Liberal scum

its for Dumb@$$ Underachievers. You have about as much chance of converting anyone here as a snowballs chance in Iraq, so just 'shove it' on back to loserville where you belong.


65 posted on 09/28/2004 4:04:13 PM PDT by libs_kma (Hanoi Jane and John . She's nothing but a washed up old, prune faced hag...and Fonda is too.)
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To: johnnyb325

Socialized medicine CANNOT be a "right" because nobody has the right to someone else's time. Doctors cannot be forced to treat any patient in a free society, and that is exactly what the socialized medicine crowd thinks is legit. Sort of an extension of the "right to counsel".

Not to mention, when there are no profits to be made by being a doctor, what are we going to be left with in the operating rooms?

As I'm sure even Kerry knows, though he'll never admit it, the biggest problem facing our medical system is the frivolous lawsuits, like the ones exploited by John (there are two Americas, and I've been in both) Edwards.


66 posted on 09/28/2004 4:06:11 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Liberal scum

If you don't know what I mean then you are out of your league and dont understand the US or its policies. If you're in spain you are terrorist appeasers and you have problems of your own...you should fix yours before you come and give your socialist bull$h!t opinions here. buh bye!


67 posted on 09/28/2004 4:07:28 PM PDT by libs_kma (Hanoi Jane and John . She's nothing but a washed up old, prune faced hag...and Fonda is too.)
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To: libs_kma
so just 'shove it' on back to loserville where you belong

We really should be able to have intelligent debates without name-calling.

68 posted on 09/28/2004 4:10:07 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Liberal scum
Aren't they *both* important? Shouldn't we deal with both liberty and inequality?

No. It is highly doubtful that any human society in the present world can offer both liberty and equality.

Human beings differ in their abilities and desires. If they are allowed the freedom to choose, some will always be more successful than others. (What is wrong with that?)
69 posted on 09/28/2004 4:11:27 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: ThinkDifferent

You're right of course, I'm getting carried away by the posts of this person whose country has capitulated to terrorsits, which is proven to be the worst way to possibly deal with them. I have no repect for that and I don't care for thier views either, which are not realistic to our situation, but which they seem to think we should adopt. I dont care to debate or discuss with terrorist appeasers but if you do then thats your call.


70 posted on 09/28/2004 4:15:08 PM PDT by libs_kma (Hanoi Jane and John . She's nothing but a washed up old, prune faced hag...and Fonda is too.)
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To: Liberal scum
Why don't the liberals all get together, with Soros and his sheep, and raise the money to pay for health insurance for all of these uninsured folks? Easier and cheaper than an entire government health care "system".

Churches have been taking care of those in need for 2,000 years. Maybe it's time the left did the same? Or are they incapable of doing anything without the government holding their hand?

71 posted on 09/28/2004 4:15:41 PM PDT by dha (The safest place to be is within the will of God.)
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To: libs_kma

What's wrong with you? I'm here to DEBATE with people who have different opinions to my own. I want to understand the other side, while providing my own opinions. Leave the insults out of it, or leave me alone if you can't be civil.

Overall, I find everyone here to be thoughtful and courteous. Shame about you so far, libs_kma.

And everyone: pardon my sarcastic username. It would have been much more appropriate on a knee-jerk, reactionary site than on a rational, welcoming one like this has been so far.


72 posted on 09/28/2004 4:15:41 PM PDT by Liberal scum
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To: Liberal scum
Surely even conservatives recognize its inherent tendency to produce inequality, for example. How do they propose dealing with this?

And that's a problem, because...? (Obviously, the completely pure form of any economic or political system is impossible to achieve and is probably undesirable.)

Cute screen name, btw. ;)

73 posted on 09/28/2004 4:15:42 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Terry McAuliffe -- The Gift that Keeps on Giving)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

And when there are no profits to be made by being a teacher, what are we going to be left with in the classroom?

In Spain, people study to be a doctor because they *want* to be a doctor. The pay is decent, but nothing like it is in the US.


74 posted on 09/28/2004 4:19:08 PM PDT by Liberal scum
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To: Liberal scum
OK, so you can argue that there are slackers who get a free ride on the nationalized system, but they're the tiny exception.

Totally false. Way back when I was in school, I used to work part-time in an ER on the NYC border and the number of people who either came in to the ER with no insurance, as well as those with Medicaid who go to the ER with every fever, sore throat and fart, was staggering.

That not only affected the hospital's survival (they were eventually "absorbed" by a large corporation -- just like that 80s classic TV show St. Elsewhere), but also the doctors who stopped accepting new patients via the ER, as they were getting stiffed left and right.

The point is that if you make health care a free ride for everyone, it'll be a *lot* more than the slackers who'll take advantage.

75 posted on 09/28/2004 4:23:08 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Terry McAuliffe -- The Gift that Keeps on Giving)
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To: libs_kma; Liberal scum
its for Dumb@$$ Underachievers. You have about as much chance of converting anyone here as a snowballs chance in Iraq, so just 'shove it' on back to loserville where you belong.

Liberal scum has contributed more to the discussion here than you have.

76 posted on 09/28/2004 4:24:11 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Terry McAuliffe -- The Gift that Keeps on Giving)
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To: Liberal scum
And when there are no profits to be made by being a teacher, what are we going to be left with in the classroom?

Under what scenario would there be no profit in teaching? As long as education is important, people will be willing to pay for it.

77 posted on 09/28/2004 4:24:27 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: libs_kma

The terrorist discussion doesn't belong here. If you like, I'll be happy to take it up with you in another thread.


78 posted on 09/28/2004 4:24:30 PM PDT by Liberal scum
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To: johnnyb325

An old story that used o make the rounds about socialised medicine in the U.S.S.R. was that there were no abortions; a wag quipped, "That's because there's a 10-month wait."


79 posted on 09/28/2004 4:24:42 PM PDT by Old Professer (The Truth always gets lost in the Noise.)
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To: Liberal scum

Ok liberal scum. I'll stop the name calling, but surely, liberal scum, you dont mind that I call you liberal scum do you? :) Well liberal scum, its been intersting. have a nice day liberal scum. I'll probably not discuss anything with you again liberal scum. I just don't wish to make it a habit to talk to liberal scum. Nothing personal you understand :)


80 posted on 09/28/2004 4:25:03 PM PDT by libs_kma (Hanoi Jane and John . She's nothing but a washed up old, prune faced hag...and Fonda is too.)
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