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Why Kerry won't sign the Form 180!

Posted on 09/28/2004 3:59:40 PM PDT by hags

Edited on 09/28/2004 4:05:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Has anybody see this?

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize >the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony >battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an >Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible >service term had ended!

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Mr. Jennings, investigate this:

From A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL
> Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL
www.authentiseal.org

"Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below.

He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was president. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer.

Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3,states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President
and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.""

INVESTIGATE THIS MR JENNINGS, RATHER AND BROKAW!


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Has anybody see this?

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize >the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony >battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an >Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible >service term had ended! > >This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 >classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad >Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, >but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing >trouser-tricks ! in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and >the Honorable Discharge was then granted. > >His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings >on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along >with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under >fire. This will blow up in his face before October 15th. > >On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the >Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). > >On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 >years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of >inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5). > >Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years >and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per >year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. > >Kerr! y was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. >Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making >adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his >country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note >that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even >though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972. > >Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from >active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated >service would be completed in December of this year." > >On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve >Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland. Where are Kerry's Performance >Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year >required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while ! Kerry >was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? > >Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve >Center where Kerry drilled? > >On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve Inactive. > >On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve. > >Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready >Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the >War: > >1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed >while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and >comfort to the enemy. > >2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members >of the US Senate. > >3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate >about crimes committed in Vietnam. > >4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and >condemned the military and the USA. > >5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in >direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution. > >6. Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. >Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of >Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. > >7. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct >violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. >That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while >leading m! ass protests against our military in the year that followed, >also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, >Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy >in time of warfare. > >The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person

>shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President >and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the >Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or >rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." > >A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team –Director >AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators >are US Navy SEALs" www.authentiseal.org

1 posted on 09/28/2004 3:59:40 PM PDT by hags
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To: hags

hags
Since Sep 28, 2004


2 posted on 09/28/2004 4:01:09 PM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: hags

Where's Rather's report on this? Hmmmmm


3 posted on 09/28/2004 4:04:28 PM PDT by Two Dawgs
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To: hags
This information has been out for some time now, and I don't think it's at all outrageous to postulate that Kerry received a less-than-honorable discharge for his scandalous and treasonous activities against the United States.

My tagline says it all.

4 posted on 09/28/2004 4:05:02 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Ich glaube, du hast in die hosen geschissen!")
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To: oh8eleven

talk about needing proper editing


5 posted on 09/28/2004 4:05:37 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: hags

BUMP for later formatting


6 posted on 09/28/2004 4:06:44 PM PDT by Christian4Bush ("The chair recognizes John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, the Jr. and Sr. Terrorists from Massachusetts.")
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To: oh8eleven

I have been asking these same question here and in chat for months and not gotten an answer. My other question is where did Kerry's crew go when John O'Neil took over his boat. Oneil makes no mention of Kerrys crew working for him , nor do any of Kerrys crew say they worked for O'Neil. where did they dissappear to?


7 posted on 09/28/2004 4:06:49 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: hags

So that we can read it right, could you possibly edit it to include line and paragraph breaks? Much appreciated.


8 posted on 09/28/2004 4:06:55 PM PDT by conservativo
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To: oh8eleven
hags Since Sep 28, 2004 a simple search would of brought this up numerous times

9 posted on 09/28/2004 4:07:44 PM PDT by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: hags

I hadnt seen or read all this... but it doesnt surprise me.. To think CBS spent 5 years so they say, on that fake piece of trash on our President, and Kerry hasnt even released all his records....it just shows the MSM bias for what it is.....SOB's


10 posted on 09/28/2004 4:07:49 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: hags

You must have been dishonorably discharged from HTML Bootcamp.


11 posted on 09/28/2004 4:09:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: hags
Please go to this link and learn to format you posts.

HTML Sandbox

12 posted on 09/28/2004 4:10:18 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: oh8eleven

Where's his DD Form 214? On that form it lists your discharge if it was Honorable, General, or Bad Conduct. This form is given to you when you are separating from the service. Or did Uncle Teddy take care of that too?


13 posted on 09/28/2004 4:11:02 PM PDT by Ginifer
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To: hags

Needs a link. Thanks.


14 posted on 09/28/2004 4:12:16 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: hags

Very good perspective. Having a dishonorable discharge sure would explain a lot--why Botox Ketchupman won't sign the SF-180, why the Navy won't release anything, why guttersnipes like Dan Blather and Terry "the Crook" McAuliffe stays on the offensive re the Prez records. Wow! Hopes it true. Then We the People should have a nationwide protest.


15 posted on 09/28/2004 4:12:24 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: hags

October Surprise! ...let's hope!


16 posted on 09/28/2004 4:16:11 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
If you don't OFFICIALLY resign your commission you are technically still in the military.

Many don't officially resign their commission.

17 posted on 09/28/2004 4:16:51 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Ginifer

I don't know, I didn't post the article. Ask "hags" - he's #1.


18 posted on 09/28/2004 4:18:20 PM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: sgtbono2002
I read somewhere I think about the person who took his boat over and I believe they said Kerry tried to take credit for a mission he commanded.
I believe John Kerry was really a coward. He had gotten one deferment and was told that he could not get another. He then decided to join rather than be on the ground as a grunt. He researched the rules and regulations and found his easy way out. I have no doubts he created at least two of his wounds. The three Purple Hearts brought him out of there in 4 months most men with much more severe wounds stayed with their outfits and a lot probably were not privy to the special rules or were not cowards and left their command. I for the life of me cant understand how those couple of men are sticking with Kerry unless it is a payoff or some kind of promise.
Kerry also did not report the plot to kill those Senators at the meeting in Missouri,I believe that was a violation of Federal Law also.There is a lot of covering up going on around Kerry and I believe the MSM is part of it.
Kerry and Max Cleland have created a lot of doubts in my mind about the military way of awarding medals. These two men bring disgrace upon good men who fought,bled and died for this country and it is a shame.
Their medals are likened to a police officer accidentally shooting himself while playing with his weapon and being decorated and paying him workmen compensation.
19 posted on 09/28/2004 4:20:39 PM PDT by gunnedah
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To: OldFriend

can anyone provide proof that bush signed a form 180?

I keep getting called a liar for asserting this at work.

I cannot find any proof of this on the net,
peopel keep saying Bush signed a form 180, but they never have any proof, it is always " i read it soemwhere/someone told me"

the only reference I get to it is a washington times article august 18, 2004 in which mcclellan states the following:

" At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said he couldn't say specifically whether Mr. Bush signed Standard Form 180, but the president did request and release his own military records in February.
"I don't believe he signed any form, but he did authorize making his military records available publicly," Mr. McClellan said. "We have released all the records, and reporters were allowed to look at his medical records as well."

Kerry's dd-214 is posted on his website, some peopel say kerry's dd-214 is forged,

I cannot find a copy of Bush's dd-214 or any document with his separation codes anywhere.

Some say the guard doesn't use dd-214s.

can anyone clear that up?


20 posted on 09/28/2004 4:22:43 PM PDT by steveeboy
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