Snipers Say U.S. Ties Angered Comrades (In Canada even the military is morally-superior)

The Toronto Sun ^ | September 30, 2004 | Bruce Campion-Smith

[pillbox_girl]

It depends on what you mean with "we don't need". If as in " we will survive without", you're probably right. If as in "we would hardly notice" you couldn't be more wrong.

My point is not that we wouldn't notice. My point is that Canada needs the U.S. a hell of a lot more than the U.S. needs Canada. Without Canada, electricity, gas, and housing prices would go up in the U.S. However, without the U.S., Canada would collapse. They depend on us utterly. Their socialist bubble could not exist without the mighty engines of the U.S. economy keeping it inflated.

And yet they continually think they have the right to nitpick and criticize every thing we do (while refusing to admit it benefits them too).

[drtom]

So what you are saying is that you would happily impose hardship on your fellow countrymen, increase dependency on Arab oil, and jeopardize entire industries just to teach Canada a lesson?

[pillbox_girl]

I seriously doubt it would be that great a hardship. We can get everything we get from Canada at home or from elsewhere, and in some cases much cheaper. And how is supporting the U.S. Lumber, Oil, Steel, and Beef industries at the expense of socialist Canada considered hardship? It sounds to me like you are more concerned in preserving international corporate profits. Meanwhile, after the Canadian collapse, the capitalist nation (more probably nations) that would emerge would again be valuable trading partners.

Apart from that, I'm not just for "teaching Canada a lesson". Canada practices a form of socialism which is inherently dangerous to the preservation of freedom and liberty. And like all socialism, it is unstable. The only thing keeping Canada afloat is the United States. And yet Canada makes every attempt at every opportunity to export their dangerous agenda to the United States. Letting Canada find out just how untenable their socialism really is will also educate their sycophants in the United States, and would help to preserve liberty here.

Liberty is much more valuable than any cheap Canadian Oil (or lumber, or whatever). I will take freedom and hardship over comfortable slavery any day.

Canada will eventually split into several smaller countries (if western Canada has any sense). My suggestions would merely hasten that inevitability.

[rocksblues]

I believe that Canada's leftists need a wake up call. If it wasn't for the US they would be freezing in their hovels!

[RasterMaster]

That's what happens when you live in a country which accepts hippies, draft-dodgers and other assorted low-lifes.

[ExSoldier]

When I was stationed at Fort Lewis Washington in the 1980's, training with the Canadians was common. We all got along great and worked well together in the woods. Lots of "gear swapping" and good tactical interchanges on technique. And man can those guys DRINK! I can't imagine what has happened, except that the population in Canada seems to have gone sheeple and socialistic. I think they let the antigun weenies emasculate them.

[-YYZ-]

Yeah, good riddance to you and your hubby, too.

You may have lived here but you obviously didn't learn too much in that time. Here's a little secret: Ontario is by far the largest net contributor to federal transfers and is the economic heart of Canada. Alberta's fortunes have waxed and waned with the price of oil, and they're doing good right now. Every one of the other western provinces sucks on the federal government transfer payment teat just as Quebec and the Maritimes do.

Murders every day? Afraid to go out? Where'd you live, in one of the dnagerous parts of Toronto? As for safety, last time I checked the US still has a higher murder rate than Canada.

My mother got regular mammograms and when a lump was found she was in surgery within a week.

I'll be the first to admit Canada has many problems (but also many things the US needs, unless you want to get them from places that are truly hostile to the US). Canadians that truly hate this country though, are certainly free, and for my part encouraged, to leave for other parts at their first opportunity. The rest of us will work on improving things here rather than running away.

[-YYZ-]

"I seriously doubt it would be that great a hardship. We can get everything we get from Canada at home or from elsewhere, and in some cases much cheaper."

Bull. If you could, you would. It's not the like the US buys anything from Canada out of the goodness of its heart.

As to the other things you could source elsewhere, yeah you can always get them from great friends like Mexico or China.

Your knowledge of economics and trade seems naive, at the best.

"And yet Canada makes every attempt at every opportunity to export their dangerous agenda to the United States."

Oh, yeah, 30 million Canadians have such a huge influence on US policy. It's not our fault if some look at our medical system, for example, and think that it would be better (and I don't agree that it would). Seems to me like you've got a problem with socialism of your own, and trying to lay it on Canada is pretty damn weak.

[NorthOf45]

Disgusting, that's all I can say. This is what happens when the libs take a hold. Canadian soldiers (as well as the Canadian populace) should be proud of how these snipers performed in the field. The offending soldiers must be of a liberal background, that's all I can think of.

[NorthOf45]

Nothing bothers the Canadian liberal press more than the fact that the best snipers in the world are from Canada.

Debatable perhaps, but certainly among the best. I get what you are ultimately saying though and agree 100%.

[drtom]

You don't understand much of economics, do you? The average house price in the US went up by $3,000 only because we added countervailing duties to Canadian lumber. It shouldn't have but US lumber barons opted for higher profits and still shut down mills. So much for "supporting our own lumber industry".

But closer to home. I have a little company and employ about 30 people. Our largest customer bases are in BC and Alberta. We have a couple from Kansas here. She does our kitchen, and he is our man for everything. He's got only one arm but he's a cool dude. Lost his arm in Korea and couldn't find decent work anywhere until they moved out here. If Canada shut down, I would have to let go 25 of the 30 people, including Marty and his wife, since there are no other markets for our product. Our town has about 12,000 people and us leaving would have a decisive ripple effect throughout the community. After they all lost their jobs they would pay more for power, gas and everyday products. I am pretty sure they would all understand if I told them that Pillbox_Girl has figured it all out for them. She's one of those beergarden economists that have it all in store for Canada and the rest of the world. While she and her husband are making a good income, she tells everyone that this is all for the greater good. But hey, in a few decades Canada will re-emerge, so just hang in there for a while.

Liberty is much more valuable than any cheap Canadian Oil

You are right up there with the socialists and Marxists that tell the working man that some idiotic doctrine is more valuable than the well-being of his family. "Hey, look at me. I am free because I sleep under a bridge." I will take freedom and hardship over comfortable slavery any day. ...while you type this into your $2,000 wireless laptop in your nice home with high-speed Internet access sipping on a rum and coke. Gimme a break. You couch quarterbacks should all try just once to register a patent and create a business around it. Bet all your possessions on it, hire and produce a decent living for some people. And then wait until some trade union or pillbox_girl comes around and tells you that we need to engage in a dogmatic war with some loudmouths somewhere on this planet and therefore you'll have to shut down and fire the people you worked with for 20 years. But hey, we are only interested in corporate profits. You bet your a$$ we are because it puts food on the table and pays hippies like you so that they can sit back and enjoy the luxury to rant over our neighbours.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping

[NorthOf45]

There were no Canadian troops in Rwanda, only Dallaire. The situation there is more complicated than it may seem. If Dallaire could have done something, he would've. The problem in Rwanda was 100% that of the UN and not the personnel that were on the ground.

As for the self-proclamation of being a peacekeeping nation, that is a liberal fabrication. While it may be true to a certain extent, it is by no means all there is to it. This mantra simply supports the liberal's anti-military mindset.

[VOA]

Nothing bothers the Canadian liberal press more than the fact that the best snipers
in the world are from Canada.

You really nailed that.
When I thanked my Canadian uncle for the excellent skills of the
the Canadian snipers, he gave an akward "you're welcome...".

Seeing how he's a full-bore Edmondton/Alberta guy and fairly conservative, it goes
without saying that a fair number of other Canadians probably would vote to
kick their snipers out of the country.
Maybe after imprisoning them for a few decades.

[VOA]

Nothing bothers the Canadian liberal press more than the fact that the best snipers
in the world are from Canada.

You really nailed that.
When I thanked my Canadian uncle for the excellent skills of the
the Canadian snipers, he gave an akward "you're welcome...".

Seeing how he's a full-bore Edmondton/Alberta guy and fairly conservative, it goes
without saying that a fair number of other Canadians probably would vote to
kick their snipers out of the country.
Maybe after imprisoning them for a few decades.

[NorthOf45]

You are one bitter individual. We may have issues here in this country, but we're not the enemy. Well, at least the majority of us aren't ... I won't speak for the libs. I suspect that cutting us off would hurt you guys more than you think. Trade is not so black and white. There is too much integration between our two countries and both would suffer ... us far more than you I admit.

[NorthOf45]

pillbox_girl has a nasty knee-jerk reaction there, huh? ;)

[steelyourfaith]

Canada is like a little child clinging to the breast of the U.S. while simultaneously berating its benefactor and proclaiming its own superiority between ill deserved suckles at the American teat.

LOL. Rings true.

[pillbox_girl]

Every one of the other western provinces sucks on the federal government transfer payment teat just as Quebec and the Maritimes do.

Whatever.

Western Canada is just trying to get back a little of what it produces. The net flow of wealth in Canada is Eastward into the hungry welfare mouths of Ontario and Quebec. Sure, things are fine there. That's where the parliamentary votes are. The West just pays for it all.

Murders every day? Afraid to go out? Where'd you live, in one of the dnagerous parts of Toronto?

Abbotsford, B.C.

As for safety, last time I checked the US still has a higher murder rate than Canada.

I get really damn tired of hearing this same Canadian Lie again and again. Comparing actual per capita murder rates (not "firearm related deaths" - we're talking actual apples to apples here) between comparable population centers in the United States and Canada, we find that equivalent Canadian cities have almost twice the murder rate of their U.S. counterparts. In other words, Canadians comparing Abbotsford (2003 population 130,000 - murder rate 5.1 per 100k) with Los Angeles (2003 population 9,900,000 - murder rate 5.14 per 100k) just doesn't make any sense. Instead, compare Abbotsford with Eugene, Oregon (2002 population 130,000 - murder rate 2.3 per 100k). Moreover, in Canada overall the Violent Crime Rate is almost twice that of the United States, and in Canada you are almost three times more likely to be killed by someone you don't know (i.e. randomly). The only places in the United States that have higher per capita murder rates than Canada are large population centers (which Canada has nothing to compare to) with strong "gun control". Anywhere else, and you're safer here.

Canadians like to ignore these facts by playing games with their statistics (also known as lying). Granted, there are more "firearm related" deaths in the United States, but this includes suicides and accidents. Canadians like to (intentionally) confuse the distinction between "firearms related" deathe and actual murders. The plain fact is that you are much more likely to be randomly murdered in Canada than the Unites States, and murder is murder; what's the difference if it's with a gun or a knife or a Honda Civic. And these statistics make no distinctions for self defense. Many "firearms related" deaths in the U.S. are the result of self defense. In Canada, you have no such option.

My mother got regular mammograms and when a lump was found she was in surgery within a week.

Where and (more importantly) when was that? I doubt it was recently or anywhere outside the tax fatted east.

The rest of us will work on improving things here rather than running away.

Even the rats have the sense to leave a sinking ship, but even so, good luck with that. Especially with all the best and brightest heading south as fast as they can. Call it "running away" or "brain drain" or whatever you want. The best of us call it common sense.

[drtom]

Oh, it pisses me off to no end. I wouldn't be surprised if she's got some cheap bachelor's degree from a third-class university and a brain full of soot. Enough knowledge to engage in some warmed-up redderick while cushily employed with a company that someone else built from scratch. Or, even worse, employed with a Gov't agency. No real achievements to push this country forward but a lot of blabber. And then the nerve to say, she'd happily take hardship. As in, "I'll have only a small macchiato at Starbucks every day from now on. And hold back on the caramel, I want to experience suffering."

(geez, North, couldn't hide that fromya, could I? :o)