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FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate - Thread 2 - Here we go!

Posted on 09/30/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

Thread 1 - Pre-Debate discussion


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; debate; debates; electionpresident; firstdebate; globalpoints; kerry
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To: tgiles

I think President Bush did wonderful tonight. President Bush has a long history of watching and waiting to act when the time is right. After 9/11, he waited to attack until he was ready to succeed. I personally wanted us to go to war that night and wipe several countries off the map. But he waited, gathered strength and went in for the kill. I almost feel sorry for Kerry over the next 2 debates, as Bush sat back and observed tonight, didn't really put any heavy strikes out... but the time is coming..


2,381 posted on 09/30/2004 7:45:39 PM PDT by Cate ( Bush is da' man)
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To: In The Defense of Liberty

They care about style over substance?
You act like G.W. Bush is the unknown he was 4 years ago. We KNOW this man. He led us through Sept. 11. He has spoken to us from his heart many times.
So maybe he had a bad night, big deal. He is the one we all know in our hearts, not the slick botoxed liar from Boston.
Style connects with some people for certain, and most of them are Democrats already. We already lost those, didn't we?


2,382 posted on 09/30/2004 7:45:40 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: Mo1; Howlin
Tonight KERRY said he would >>

.... give Iran NUKE FULE.

.......stop Bunker Buster Program.

......put US National security to a "Global Test".

2,383 posted on 09/30/2004 7:45:42 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: HoustonTech

Kerry referred to Vietnam or his combat duty seven times, give or take.

He did well in clarifying his position on Iraq. It was a really good point for him.

Bush really pointed out the wavering, flip-flops of Kerry. That will resound with many independants, methinks.

Kerry nailed him on body armour, simply because Bush never responded to this charge.

Overall, Kerry seemed to be inconsistent: do we need more troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? Or do we need to get the job done and bring them home?

Big point of contention: Should we focus on building alliances with summits, or act alone to defend ourselves? What will swingers think?


2,384 posted on 09/30/2004 7:45:45 PM PDT by bstein80 (Link to Video)
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To: supercat; All
Greetings: We know the Kerry camp is going to try to spin their way out of a debate loss tonight. In fact, to encourage you – I’ve included the message the Kerry campaign has put out to their supporters below. Let’s beat them to the punch and demonstrate the machine of the Bush-Cheney grassroots organization.

As soon as the debates are over (or while they are going on), we encourage you to write letters, call talk radio/tv, vote in online polls and participate in Web blogs.

To help you, visit our letter writing and talk radio center, it includes templates and contact information (and will even do it for you):

http://www.georgewbush.com/Btl/CallWriteStatus.aspx For real time, updated information and talkers, visit:

http://www.georgewbush.com/debatefacts/

To vote in online polls:

ABC News: http://www.abcnews.com/
CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/ CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/ MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/ USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/

Be sure to check the Web sites of your local newspapers and TV stations for online polls. It is crucial that you do this in the minutes immediately following the debate.

2,385 posted on 09/30/2004 7:45:45 PM PDT by apackof2 (Damn the torpedos! Full speed ahead!)
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To: Vermont Lt

The winner of the debate does NOT get
to be President.

The WINNER of the Election gets to be
President.

WE vote.

They talk.

WE decide.


2,386 posted on 09/30/2004 7:45:51 PM PDT by Joy Angela (Kerry-Hillary-Bill The Devils Triangle)
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To: Wormwood

I agree with you. GW gave Kerry a pass on the character issue, on Vietnam. He should have smacked Kerry down on some of the lies he told and retold, too. Well, Fox thinks it was a draw. We have to do better next time, and hopefully, the new Swiftboat ad will nail Kerry tomorrow. TerAYsa bounding up on stage was a downer, too. She's a mess.


2,387 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:10 PM PDT by hershey
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To: riri

"For the people out there who don't eat and breath this stuff like we do -- they are going to think Kerry came across as informed and intelligent."

I disagree. My liberal, uninformed sister just called me and said that while she didn't think GWB did a good job that the one she was really watching (Kerry), talked a lot but didn't answer the questions and never clarified his position on anything. She also said that he came across as an arrogant snob.


2,388 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:10 PM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (Hillary Clinton is Ellsworth Toohey in drag.)
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To: Avenger

Bush sleepwalked through the whole debate. Kerry won hands down.
Hard to spin this as positive in any way for bush. I hope I am just misunderestimating him, but I don't think so.


2,389 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:13 PM PDT by TheHube
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I think Kerry came off stronger but ironically that may work against him. People want someone who isn't boastfull to be in charge of war, they want someone who reflects and struggles.


2,390 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:13 PM PDT by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: All
As a partisan I of course think Bush mopped the floor with Kerry tonight.

There were no HOME RUN SOUNDBITES , No "I knew John Kennedy", "there you go again", "I will not use my opponents youth and inexperience". Also, no huge gaffes "No DINGELL NORWOOD DINGELL NORWOOD"

That menas the bottom line from this debate - Sound bite America will remember NOTHING by this time tomorrow. In that respect - final score - DRAW. No change.

2,391 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:13 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

DRAW. Nobody changed their minds tonight.


2,392 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:19 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (‘We’re losing anyway, so I’ll surrender faster’ - John Kerry)
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To: dictatorMA
Bush got Killed.. I am very depressed...not a good night for the good guys

I don't think Bush got killed. He did fine. But Kerry did much better than expected. The holes in his arguments are obvious to political junkies, but those who don't live this stuff day-to-day won't see them.

Lots of traffic on FR tonight. It's really slow. I heard someone on CNN saying he'd been following the discussion on a 'right wing blog'. Gotta be FR.

2,393 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:21 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: steveegg
Summary of Ketchup Boy's plan - "I'll do everything backwards. I'll go unilaterally to North Korea and bail out of Iraq because the Frogs and Krauts won't jump in."

Slight problem - what happens when NK bails out of the bilateral talks (unless, of course, F'em gives Krazy Kim Seattle)?

I've never heard a man use so many words, in 90 minutes, to say abosolutely NOTHING in my life! Kerry said he had a plan for Iraq. WHAT PLAN!? WHERE were the details? Drop Iraq flat to handle North Korea? Is THAT the plan? The Kerry dog and pony show for 90 LOOOOONG minutes!

2,394 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:22 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Blowtorch

You got it. He gave them another in his closing.....31pages!!


2,395 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:22 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Jet Jaguar

The debate tonight. Two empty suits trying not to make a mistake. They should both be ashamed. Not much from the heart.


2,396 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:25 PM PDT by praise
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To: B Knotts

dont forget the closer..


this is an opener


2,397 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:26 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: tgslTakoma
Kristinn was just on CSPAN!

Rock on DC - Rock on.

2,398 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:31 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: SamAdams76

Hey Sam.

It seemed like Bush deliberately passed up a lot of opportunities to nail Kerry on that "plan" of his, particularly when he could only muster a list of agenda items W already was doing. I think he was playing softball this first one. Hope the gloves come off, you could tell there were times he obviously had a "bit" more to say.


2,399 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:47 PM PDT by ventana
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To: tet68

Boy, but FR is slow tonight. Totally unusable.


2,400 posted on 09/30/2004 7:46:51 PM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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