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Kerry Lied in Debate
gop.com ^ | 9-30-04 | GOP.COM

Posted on 09/30/2004 8:23:01 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

KERRY CLAIMS HE'S "NEVER, EVER" USED WORD "LYING" IN REFERENCE TO PRESIDENT BUSH ON IRAQ.

JIM LEHRER: "New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You've repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth."
SEN. KERRY: "Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word as you just did." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)

BUT IN DECEMBER 2003, KERRY TOLD NEW HAMPSHIRE EDITORIAL BOARD BUSH "LIED" ABOUT REASON FOR GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ. "Kerry also told a New Hampshire newspaper editorial board Friday that Bush had 'lied' about his reasons for going to war in Iraq, a word Kerry has been reluctant to use publicly for months. Yesterday he said he did not plan to use the word again." (Patrick Healy, "Kerry Camp Lowers N.H. Expectations Behind In Polls, Senator Now Seeks Spot In 'Top Two,'" The Boston Globe, 12/8/03)

AND IN SEPTEMBER 2003, KERRY SAID BUSH ADMINISTRATION "LIED" AND "MISLED." "This administration has lied to us. They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations' process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, 'I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,' and I know this president fails that test in Iraq." (Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)


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Strike 1.
1 posted on 09/30/2004 8:23:01 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Fast enough for the conservative talkers tomorrow...even early enough for Bill Bennett!


2 posted on 09/30/2004 8:25:02 PM PDT by Petronski (DEMS: Kim tested, Osama approved.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
There's something postmodern and amusing about him getting caught lying about lying.
3 posted on 09/30/2004 8:26:04 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

This debate did not go particularly well. By his own admission, Bush is not a great debater. Kerry was the better speaker, though I give Bush the edge on substance.

I think Kerry helped himself with some undecided voters who had leaned towards him earlier in the year. But otherwise, I don't see the debate having much impact on the race.


4 posted on 09/30/2004 8:26:16 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

"I said he lied before I said he didn't lie"


5 posted on 09/30/2004 8:26:23 PM PDT by RepublicanHostageinCalif (Want to know what the Dems can do? Just look what they're trying to do to Calif)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

You know I'm kinda frustrated on why Bush didn't whack Kerry up the side of the head a couple times, but you know I think there was a reason for this....

First, without saying too much, Bush didn't say anything patently false like Kerry did. Second, he wanted to beat home a couple specific messages. Do you remember Kerry's nuanced responses or do you remember Bush in saying Kerry couldn't keep one position, or that his wrong war, wrong time was the wrong message to give troops and allies? Finally, Bush came off as a "normal" guy who has a strength of convictions. Kerry kind of came off as the lecturing professor like algore did 4 years ago.

I was pissed originally, now I don't feel so bad and in fact I think Kerry gave Bush a lot of fodder going down the road, Bush gave Kerry nothing... What is the Kerry campaign to knock on the President without sounding pessimistic or rude?


6 posted on 09/30/2004 8:30:17 PM PDT by elephantman96
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Get ready for his Clintonia nuance, I said the "administration" lied, not the "President"


7 posted on 09/30/2004 8:30:50 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Strike 2 -

TOMMY FRANKS ON CNN: Osama bin Laden is not in Afghanistan, as Senator Kerry said he is.

On lacking a plan for winning the peace: "If you read my book, you'll find I mention a term called 'catastrophic success.' It's a good news thing. . . . But it takes a long time to bring stability to a place that hasn't known stability for a long time. It's inaccurate to say that there was not a plan . . . but some in our media built expectations that that would happen more quickly than was possible."

Strike 3 -

NORTH KOREA:

The US and China have said they were confident North Korea will return to six-party talks to end the stand-off over Pyongyang's nuclear programmes.

US State Secretary Colin Powell said after talks with Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing the format was "what we should be concentrating on".

Mr Li described the talks as the "only feasible and correct option"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3705948.stm


8 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:35 PM PDT by Weimdog
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To: Clintonfatigued

Maybe this will turn out to be a win for Bush when the VRWC gets talk radio all over the numerous Kerry lies.

I was stunned by his bi-polar opinions. Wrong war, etc., then clearly states Saddam had to be removed, he was a threat...this guy is hard to keep up with. I think he is pathological.

I hope he gets ripped to shreds and his "victory" is very fleeting.


9 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:02 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

10 posted on 09/30/2004 8:32:14 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: JudyinCanada
I thought the biggest point of the debate was Kerry claiming that Bush made a mistake in Iraq, and he miseld us into the war, but then he refused to say the troops are dieing for a mistake, and refused to address the point that Bush made the decision based on the same intelligence Kerry used when he said Saddam was a threat and voted for the authority to use force.
11 posted on 09/30/2004 8:33:37 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: OXENinFLA

Keep checking GOP .. you'll find a Boat Load of lies that came out of Kerry's mouth


12 posted on 09/30/2004 8:33:43 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
It depends on the meaning of "administration."
13 posted on 09/30/2004 8:34:39 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Right.


14 posted on 09/30/2004 8:35:04 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

It is easy to win a debate when you lie. President Bush can not do that. He is ahead in the polls he has to be very carefull.


15 posted on 09/30/2004 8:35:09 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Thanks for posting this. You Sir, are a good soldier in this war against the left!


16 posted on 09/30/2004 8:35:24 PM PDT by CurlyBill (John Kerry is PeeWee Herman in a Frankenstein costume)
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To: Mo1

I will tomorrow.........I'm going to bed...........


};o]


17 posted on 09/30/2004 8:35:34 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1

Hello, Kerry offered to give the Iranian Mullah nuclear fuel and technology!!!!!! Anybody???? Hello??? Can you say Kim Jong Il?? A country that took Americans hostage is going to be getting nuclear fuel and technology from US??? Lord help us.


18 posted on 09/30/2004 8:35:37 PM PDT by bpjam (I don't know what a neo-con is and neither does anybody else.)
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To: JudyinCanada

I agree. I hope you're right, but Kerry was very slick tonight, and Bush seemed a little tired.


19 posted on 09/30/2004 8:36:04 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Petronski

Add this to the pot: Brian Williams no less says that the number Kerry uses on Iraq, $200,000,000 is WRONG; it is $119,000,000.


20 posted on 09/30/2004 8:36:30 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: elephantman96

The post analysis of the debate is not going to reflect well on Kerry.


21 posted on 09/30/2004 8:36:58 PM PDT by demlosers (The FreeRepublic Pajama Press!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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Kerry always lies. But . . .

Bush needed to get across the message that Saddam was harboring terrorist and sponsoring terrorism and that he was more vital to the war on terror than Osama bin Laden.

He isn't doing it. So we need to do it.

Here is an easy to read chart of what the media was saying pre-911 (and after): Connect the Dots...Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. Send it to your friends and family. And the media.
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22 posted on 09/30/2004 8:36:59 PM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: Iowa Granny

ping


23 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:03 PM PDT by kayak (JFKerry "has fewer days at work this year than he has houses" - Tom DeLay)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Ketchupman's memory equals Bubba's and the Hildebeast's.


24 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:08 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Howlin

Brian Williams said that? Wow. Just wow.


25 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:26 PM PDT by Petronski (DEMS: Kim tested, Osama approved.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Kerry said that there was a difference between opposing the war and the warrior. And he implied that he could support the warrior without supporting the war. But au contraire, Kerry was against the war in Vietnam and came home and attacked the warriors. That quote should be used in future swift boat ads.


26 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:29 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
eFing lied... And this is news?

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27 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:31 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: elephantman96

Bush missed the opportunity for a knockout punch when Kerry said he didn't express himself well on the $87B vote, but what's important is that he got the vote right...

Bush should have said "So you still think voting against the troops was the right thing?"

Bush's expresions, which were not supposed to be shown, made him look like Algore in 2000.


28 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:35 PM PDT by topdog1
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

That is nothing new.

John Kery lies in his sleep.

John Kerry is a democrat. All democrats have liarites.

They cannot help it. If the deocto told them the next lie they told would kill them, they would not make it out of the examinating room alive.

John Kerry started off lying and finished lying.

Why the Republicans agreed on this moderator is beyond my powers of comprension.


29 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:36 PM PDT by sport
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Kerry was lying on almost every question, making up the facts as they suited his argument.


30 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:46 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: dalebert

Did anyone other than myself catch it when Kerry said the president forced General Shinstinky to retire, when even the MSM admitted that was untrue?


31 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:47 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (They call me tater salad...ya caught the tater...)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

And this is news? Isn't lying part of being a Democrat? Tell me you're not surprised!


32 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:48 PM PDT by blu (Summer's over...put away your flip-flops! Kerry go home!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Kerry was slick and appeared more intelligent. However all he did was complain and whine without offering detailed plans of his own. If this was an open seat, Kerry would surge in the polls. However it is not. The swing voters will give Bush the benefit of the doubt. People don't like "Monday Morning Quarterbacks". In order to unseat an incumbent, the challenger must give proposals with substance. All Kerry has to offer are flip-flops.
33 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:50 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get Your Souls To The Polls In November)
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To: RepublicanHostageinCalif
No he said he didn't say Bush lied when he said prior that he said Bush lied. So he flip-flopped on it and therefore lied... Did I get that right?
34 posted on 09/30/2004 8:38:33 PM PDT by MedicalMess
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
The debate's over for the evening, but the leftists pulling the strings in the Kerry campaign are still busy trying to undermine our president, our war on terror, and our troops in Iraq.

Kerry supporters rejoice at the news of every American death, and they cry crocodile tears in front of the news cameras - but by their words and their deeds they are directly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.

The Islamists are feeding off the words of Kerry, Kennedy, Lockhart, Rather, Matthews, Sharpton, and they are feeding off the demonstrations of the so-called "peace protesters."

These bastards are coming to Arlington National Cemetery on Saturday, to mock American values, to degrade American soldiers, and to desecrate the sacred ground where 200+ years of American heroes are buried.

If you are anywhere near DC on Saturday, please consider coming to defend the honor of our country's war dead and defend our country's honor against the anti-American blood dancers.

35 posted on 09/30/2004 8:38:37 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Kerry lies like O.J. Simpson. "Not guilty 1000 per cent." "Seared, SEARED in my memory." "Never, EVER used the harshest word."


36 posted on 09/30/2004 8:39:33 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: JudyinCanada

Well, how about citing "nuclear proliferation" as the number one issue facing this country?

Kerry prattled on about North Korea's development of nuclear weapons and focused solely on this.

Then -- and ONLY THEN -- after President Bush identifies "weapons of mass destruction" and their presence in the hands of terrorists, Kerry on rebuttal repeats "nuclear proliferation", and quickly tosses in "weapons of mass destruction", which would, of course also include biological and chemical weapons.

Folks, if this guy gets elected, the US is a sitting duck while he's trying to figure out what comb to use to part his hair that morning.


37 posted on 09/30/2004 8:39:58 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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To: Mo1

What is really funny is the dem line for about a week now, and Holbrook was just on Fox with this, is Kerry has always had one position. I mean com'on. Do these people think I get my news by pony express!


38 posted on 09/30/2004 8:40:48 PM PDT by Sparky760 (The sleeping Giant has been awakened)
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To: Kuksool
Kerry WAS slick and full of 'masterful rhetoric.' My husband has a brother who is a professor at a large University. He has mastered the art of rhetoric. But when you actually start to break down what he has said, it's total garbage. It sounds good as it comes out of his mouth, but as it hangs in the air and begins to hover around you, you notice it's hot and quite smelly. Kerry is exactly the same way. All jabberwocky.

It's easy to wax eloquent when all you have are words. (Ted Bundy was quite eloquent, for that matter. As was Hitler!)

The President, on the other hand, is a passionate man of action - a good man. That speaks louder than any words ever vomiting out of Kerry's mouth.

39 posted on 09/30/2004 8:40:58 PM PDT by WeddingPlanner
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To: Weimdog

Tommy Franks on Fox now saying Kerry was flat out WRONG that resources were diverted from Afganistan to Iraq, He said thet when Iraq operations were getting ready to start, there were 9,500 troops in Afganistan and it steadily went up to over 12,000 while Iraq was going on.


40 posted on 09/30/2004 8:41:10 PM PDT by Barnstormer
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To: Brimack34
It is easy to win a debate when you lie. President Bush can not do that. He is ahead in the polls he has to be very carefull.

Can I have a ReWrite™?

President Bush can not do that. He is ahead in the polls a Republican that is not a liberal, so he has to be very carefull.

41 posted on 09/30/2004 8:41:36 PM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - I was for outsourcing assassinations before I was against it.)
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To: bpjam
Hello, Kerry offered to give the Iranian Mullah nuclear fuel and technology!!!!!!

Yes I know .. add that to Kerry's list

Tomorrow Kerry's comments in tonights debate will be ripped apart

42 posted on 09/30/2004 8:41:47 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Kerry lied all over the place. He should have been asked if there was anything more to his platform than bashing Bush. I was let down by the way the people on FOX let Kerry get by with the lies. Big one was the fact that Kerry did call Bush a liar and then lied and said he didn't say it.


43 posted on 09/30/2004 8:42:12 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Sparky760
Kerry has always had one position

That would be the fence position?

44 posted on 09/30/2004 8:42:25 PM PDT by WeddingPlanner
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To: bpjam

Yeah... I looked to a friend and said, "did he say he wants to give nuclear fuel to Iran?" WTF?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


45 posted on 09/30/2004 8:42:31 PM PDT by elephantman96
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To: Sparky760
I mean com'on. Do these people think I get my news by pony express!

It's a play out of the Clinton Play book .. say it enough times in hopes that people will believe it

46 posted on 09/30/2004 8:43:12 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: WeddingPlanner

Besides going four times by my count to the well to remind us idiots that he served in Vietnam, Kerry dwelled on his rhetorical, "I have a plan...."


47 posted on 09/30/2004 8:43:29 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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To: WeddingPlanner

Yeah, that's the one...with a picket up his @ss, blindingly white teeth, and that big ole pumpkin head!


48 posted on 09/30/2004 8:44:37 PM PDT by blu (Summer's over...put away your flip-flops! Kerry go home!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Kerry is toast! His reference to the Iraq war as a "grand diversion", his emphasis on passing a "Global Test" with the world will not go well with Americans!

Can't wait for Rush, Sean to shred him to pieces!

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!



49 posted on 09/30/2004 8:44:39 PM PDT by Lux-In-Domino
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To: elephantman96

That one raised a huge noise at our Debate Watch gathering this evening.

Nuclear fuel to the Mullahs of Iran.

Gee, that sounds like a peace proposal to me. < /sarcasm>


50 posted on 09/30/2004 8:44:45 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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