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Voter Registrations Hit Snag Over Citizenship Check Box
NY Times ^ | 10/2/04

Posted on 10/01/2004 10:04:56 PM PDT by ambrose

The New York Times


October 2, 2004

Voter Registrations Hit Snag Over Citizenship Check Box

By FORD FESSENDEN

A tiny check box about citizenship on voter registration forms has touched off the latest battle over voting rights in Florida, where Gov. Jeb Bush's administration has advised election supervisors to reject applications on which the box is blank.

Election officials say thousands of people across the country who registered to vote this year failed to check the box, which is a requirement of the 2002 Help America Vote Act. But most forms also require a signature on a statement making the same affirmation. The League of Women Voters has urged states to accept applications with the oath but without the check, and recently Ohio and a few other states decided to do so.

But last week, Dawn Roberts, director of the Florida Division of Elections, sent to county election officials a copy of a legal opinion by a lawyer for the secretary of state concluding that both affirmations had to be made, or the registration would be rejected and returned to the applicant. It was up to individual counties whether to enforce the opinion.

Jenny Nash, a spokeswoman for Florida's secretary of state, Glenda E. Hood, said the problem had arisen mainly on forms filed by third parties on behalf of potential voters. Dozens of groups have crisscrossed Florida this election year, registering record numbers of new voters, many of them in minority and low-income neighborhoods.

"To be frank, a voter does have the responsibility to properly fill out the registration form," Ms. Nash said.

America's Families United, a nonpartisan civil rights group in Washington, filed suit on Thursday against the Duval County Board of Elections to get a list of citizens whose registrations have been rejected. A state judge threw out the suit yesterday.

Judith Browne, a lawyer for the group, said it had lists from Orange and Miami-Dade Counties, and would try to get the forms updated before registration closed on Monday. Ms. Browne said elections supervisors had told her that most of the county officials would follow the advice of the state's lawyer.

Before filing the suit, America's Families United had urged Governor Bush to tell supervisors to accept the registrations without the checkbox, called the ruling "ridiculous."

"Checking off a box doesn't add any additional qualification," Ms. Browne said. "It's technical, it's nonsensical and it's yet another obstacle that stands in the way of someone voting for the next president."

Officials in Miami said yesterday that they had decided to register people who had signed the oath but not checked the box, as long as they had no other problems on the form. Most of the 1,300 who had failed to check the box also had other problems that made their registrations unacceptable, and only 40 were added, said Seth Kaplan, spokesman for the Miami-Dade supervisor of elections.

Last spring, Arizona passed a requirement saying that both the checkbox and the oath had to be completed, and registrations are returned if they do not comply, Deputy Secretary of State Kevin Tyne said.

In Ohio, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell told county officials on Sept. 9 that they should accept registrations even if the boxes were not checked. Some counties have kept records of those, and said they would add the names to the rolls. Others said they had returned cards to applicants and had not kept copies.

"We applauded the ruling in Ohio," said Kay Maxwell, president of the League of Women Voters. "By signing, you are saying you are a citizen."

Sam Reed, the secretary of state in Washington, sent out a memorandum telling local registrars to accept applications with unchecked boxes, as long as the oath was signed.

In Nevada, Clark County's elections director, Larry Lomax, has come up with a novel solution: Voters will be allowed to vote if they sign a statement attesting to their citizenship when they show up at the polls.

"We try to be inclusive," Mr. Lomax said.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; election; newvoters; ohio; votefraud
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To: Fatalis
the scary stats are loaded because lots of Latinos or Hispanics are white too.

Yes --- "white" when it's convenient to be white -- and as we can see on Mexican tv "whiteness" is highly desireable -- but since white doesn't get you that special status in the eyes of government, doesn't get you coveted minority contracts, scholoarships, or affirmative action they will then insist they aren't white after all.

41 posted on 10/02/2004 5:02:38 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: NewRomeTacitus

I saw this on TV this morning. What a mess.


42 posted on 10/02/2004 5:11:20 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: Fatalis
LOL how do you know they aren't fleeing multiculturalism and multilingualism and how do you know that only the whites are leaving?

It's not just whites --- and that's the problem it's all the middle class types leaving because of falling education levels, falling wages, rising unemployment, skyrocketing property crime. And it's actually more fleeing mono-culturalism (Mexican only) and mono-lingualism (Mexican-Spanish only).

43 posted on 10/02/2004 5:30:23 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Brownie74

To me, it comes down to what country they have loyalty to. If it's not ours they need to be booted out immediately. We definitely shouldn't be financing the education and welfare of our enemies. Futher on, we shouldn't be spending dime one on "English as a Second Language" curriculums in a country that should have English as it's Official Language. I learned basic French here and picked up "get around German" while posted there for two years. Demanding that we additionally learn Spanish (though I can and am doing that) is blatently insulting. If our Spanish-speaking invaders can't learn our language that's just one more reason for them to get the h*ll out of here. To quote an old album title, "Speak English or Die". Leave. Now! Rouse, schnell, worthless mofos!


44 posted on 10/02/2004 5:46:36 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (America first!)
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To: Bogolyubski
Thanks to liberals and the Republicans who roll over and play dead (like the French so many love to ridicule), there are probably hundreds of thousands - even millions - of non-citizens voting in our elections.

If there was any indications that the non-citizens were moving in from Republican-voter-producing countries, the liberals would not tolerate this. Republicans are certain that crossing the Rio Grande converts former PRI party voters into Republicans so they are blind to the problem this fraud could cause them, but unfortunately most non-citizens with no respect for our election lawsare coming from Socialist countries.

45 posted on 10/02/2004 6:01:16 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Republicans are certain that crossing the Rio Grande converts former PRI party voters into Republicans so they are blind to the problem this fraud could cause them, but unfortunately most non-citizens with no respect for our election lawsare coming from Socialist countries.

Yep, and our President wants MORE of them. "Family values don't stop at the border," dontcha know.
This is why I remain an Independent. Bump to the top for a good post.

46 posted on 10/03/2004 7:12:19 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: Fatalis
because lots of Latinos or Hispanics are white too.

Geez, not that again. "Latinos or Hispanics are white." Riiiiiight.

If they are white, why are they called latinos and hispanic?

Next time I am in East Dallas I will keep reminding myself . . .

this is a white neighborhood . . .

this is a white neighborhood . . .

this is a white neighborhood . . .

this is a white neighborhood . . .

this is a white neighborhood . . .

< /roomtempIQ >

47 posted on 10/03/2004 4:58:00 PM PDT by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: TLI
If they are white, why are they called latinos and hispanic?

LOL political considerations. BTW I didn't say all are white but lots are.

48 posted on 10/03/2004 5:13:06 PM PDT by Fatalis
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To: NewRomeTacitus
If our Spanish-speaking invaders can't learn our language that's just one more reason for them to get the h*ll out of here.

I know what you mean. Not a day goes by down here that you don't see some Hispanic interviewed on the TV news through an interpreter. One woman had been here 14 years and still couldn't speak English. I can learn several languages in that amount of time.

They just don't want to - they want to live here but they want to remain Mexicans.

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49 posted on 10/04/2004 1:13:59 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: TheLurkerX
I expect the citizenship box is in Spanish and the signature box is not.

How many people assume a signature is used to validate a form, I know I do. And I know that FILLING in the citizenship box is AT THE TOP of the REGISTRATION FORM...NOT TO BE MISSED! If you miss checking the '18 years or older box...is that OK TOO????

This is so wrong!

Ohioans need to CALL THEIR ELECTION BOARDS and the GOVENOR OF THE STATE.

50 posted on 10/04/2004 1:28:38 AM PDT by Republic (Will michael shiavo and his concubine and children now preside over the murder of Terri?)
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To: Brownie74

That wasn't my quote but you're right on target. When stationed for service in Germany learning Deutche was paramount and I stumbled my way through French visiting there (what a shame they became an Islamic state). I'm absorbing Spanish just because so many of these intellectualy lazy or deficient people can't be communicated with otherwise. It's not my duty or "yob", but I want them to understand exactly why I'm cracking down on their butts.


51 posted on 10/04/2004 1:35:32 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: All
Indiana voter registration OFFERS the regration in SPANISH.

The checking of the CITIZENSHIP box is one of THE MOST IMPORTANT QUALIFICATIONS TO OUR VOTING RIGHT.

THIS IS A SHAM.

I am ashamed that OHIO would permit regiatrations to go forward without this checked.

52 posted on 10/04/2004 1:36:45 AM PDT by Republic (Will michael shiavo and his concubine and children now preside over the murder of Terri?)
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