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Gallup Poll: Kerry Better Debater; Bush Better President
NewsMax ^ | 10/2/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 10/02/2004 12:03:31 PM PDT by wagglebee

Staffers at the Kerry campaign may want to put the cork back in their champagne bottles after they examine the internal numbers in the latest Gallup poll.

Sure, most felt that the Massachusetts Democrat was the better debater by a whopping margin of 53 to 37 percent.

Kerry did even better when Gallup asked which candidate expressed himself clearly, beating Bush 60 to 32 percent.

But when asked which of the two was more believable, it was Bush over Kerry - 50 to 45 percent.

On which candidate did better on the issues, again it was Bush over Kerry, 49 to 46 percent.

Those surveyed by Gallup also apparently didn't buy the media's line that the president came off as irritated and petulant. Asked who was more likable, it was Bush over Kerry again, 48 to 41 percent.

But the worst news for team Kerry came when Gallup asked which candidate was tough enough to be president, a question that taps into concerns that Kerry may be weak on terror.

Gallup respondents gave the "tough enough" award to Bush - and by a landslide, 54 to 37 percent.


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KEYWORDS: bush; debate; firstdebate; galluppoll; issues; kerry
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Those surveyed by Gallup also apparently didn't buy the media's line that the president came off as irritated and petulant. Asked who was more likable, it was Bush over Kerry again, 48 to 41 percent.

The leftist media must be going insane, they've been successful with their lies for over 50 years and now they get nothing.

1 posted on 10/02/2004 12:03:33 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

was feeling crappy this weekend till you gave us some good news

Kerry Better Debater; Bush Better President


2 posted on 10/02/2004 12:07:25 PM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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To: wagglebee

Hey wait a minute. Carl Cameron says the Kerry folks are excited about the "dramatic increase" in Kerry's likability numbers.


3 posted on 10/02/2004 12:07:30 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: wagglebee

The choice cannot be more clear, the people demand that the government protect their freedom at any cost. As John F. Kennedy succinctly stated "We must bear any burden and pay any cost". Regardless of Kerry's empty words and placing monetary values to Freedom, his empty rhetoric is proof that he will not protect America, the sad reality is that his actions would be limited based on the demand for world opinion. "Passing the Global test" means more to him and sadly means more to most liberals then taking action to defend Freedom.


4 posted on 10/02/2004 12:09:30 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Don't let John Kerry put a price on our childrens heads bear any burden pay any cost elect GW.)
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To: All

There is another poster who was posting news of far more significance just before FR went down. Specifically, some group is offering a reward to anyone who fingers a fraudulent voter. The more money in that reward the better. This, plus digicam equipped poll watchers, could undo this supposed registration advantage.


5 posted on 10/02/2004 12:10:13 PM PDT by Owen
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To: wagglebee

We've suspected all along that Kerry was a Master Debater.......


6 posted on 10/02/2004 12:10:56 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: wagglebee
I think that the public in general just disregards the bias of the MSM. The public is much smarter then the MSM give them credit for being. The dumb ones are the nit wits in the MSM.
7 posted on 10/02/2004 12:11:42 PM PDT by The Real Deal (Proud member of the VRWC!)
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To: wagglebee

I was almost sick the day after the debate and not because I felt the President did poorly, but because I felt Kerry was getting softball questions and said made some idiotic statements and the only thing the media talked about (including Fox News) was how "Presidential" Kerry came off.

This post, along with a few others of similar tone, have been most welcome by me this weekend. Bottom line, Kerry didn't get knocked out during the first debate, but he is still against the ropes. I pray that W can collect himself and finish him off in the next few weeks like I know he is capable of.


8 posted on 10/02/2004 12:12:09 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: Owen
There is another poster who was posting news of far more significance just before FR went down

Do you have a link or title to that post?

9 posted on 10/02/2004 12:14:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: wagglebee

I missed most of it, but Eleanor Clifthanger was on Fox gleefully reporting about a newsweek poll showing Kerry up.....anybody see it?


10 posted on 10/02/2004 12:15:31 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Mr Kerry, how did we ever get along without you?)
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To: wagglebee
The leftist propaganda machine dies a little every day.

At this rate, we will have 60+ GOP senators by 2012.

11 posted on 10/02/2004 12:17:00 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: lt.america
give it time to sink in the past has shown people take time to digest what was said, I think Bush laid back to set Kerry up for the next 2 debate Kerry now had to be consistent on the pap that he regurgitated Thur nite... also the country doesn't need a debate team sent to Iraq.

plus I wish they would play up the fact that W was touring the hurricane damage, rather then getting his nails and hair done at the beauty parlor....

Jonh Kerry for Nancyboi
12 posted on 10/02/2004 12:18:05 PM PDT by dhm005 (Bush playing possum there are 2 more debates)
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To: Owen

...digicam equipped poll watchers, could undo this supposed registration advantage."

Seriously, these dem-ons will do anything to win in Nov. They are acutely aware of the risks and would gladly take them to get their traitor in office. They know that there wouldn't be a reversal of the election, so the risks are worth the rewards i.e. the end justifies the means mentality.


13 posted on 10/02/2004 12:18:38 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: wagglebee

Gallup..........giddy-up G.W. The truth prevails.


14 posted on 10/02/2004 12:19:17 PM PDT by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: wagglebee
I don't know, I'm still concerned for GW. I heard that Al Queda has assembled a "crack" debating team.
15 posted on 10/02/2004 12:19:26 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Rome2000
ditto ! Ive been telling people that too...

best thing here in DC more I'm meeting more Black conservatives everyday....
16 posted on 10/02/2004 12:20:11 PM PDT by dhm005 (die hippies die....)
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To: rj45mis

If they are informed of a huge reward for turning them in, they will stay home. Not the zealots, but the apathetic who were recently registered.


17 posted on 10/02/2004 12:21:33 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Caipirabob
ping Caipirabob
>Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?


no difference they are alllll wrong
18 posted on 10/02/2004 12:23:52 PM PDT by dhm005 (die hippies die....)
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To: rineaux

Excellent news. I watched the first debate from start to finish and certainly agree with the results of the Gallop poll!


19 posted on 10/02/2004 12:24:44 PM PDT by baltoga
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To: Squantos
May I borrow your comment?

"We've suspected all along that Kerry was a Masterdebater......."

Thank you :-)

20 posted on 10/02/2004 12:26:18 PM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: wagglebee
"Kerry Better Debater; Bush Better President"

And Jim Lehrer is tops when it comes to keeping a Repubican President on the defensive for 90 minutes.

21 posted on 10/02/2004 12:27:42 PM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: lt.america
how "Presidential" Kerry came off.

I think that Kerry was Senatorial rather than Presidential. He was excellent at talking to a non-responsive audience, something Senators do with regularity.

22 posted on 10/02/2004 12:31:02 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: lt.america

Have faith in W; debates 2 & 3 are going to open a lot of eyes.


23 posted on 10/02/2004 12:31:55 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: wagglebee

Gallup Poll: Kerry Better Debater; Bush Better President


...Great! Give sKerry his lettermans sweater and tell him to take a hike.


24 posted on 10/02/2004 12:32:02 PM PDT by albie
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To: Owen

...they will stay home."

In Wisconsin the dems are counting on that. They have people who will go to the polls and say they are someone that they know won't be voting. By canvassing numerous neighborhoods knocking on doors, they take information and notes about that person and quickly discern whether they would likely get out and vote. If it is determined that they aren't planning to vote, then someone could vote in their place. Likely nobody at the polls would know who is voting because WI doesn't require you to produce an ID. It sucks.


25 posted on 10/02/2004 12:33:33 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Hey wait a minute. Carl Cameron says the Kerry folks are excited about the "dramatic increase" in Kerry's likability numbers.

Sure they're happy. Now 15% of his voters like him instead of just 5%......

26 posted on 10/02/2004 12:35:17 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

I kind of have a feeling that the President is going to do much better in the next two debates. I sensed some frustration from the President, probably due to the BS questions being lobbed up to Kerry and the fact that the good Sen. was making no sense in his foreign policy remarks and getting a pass on it.


27 posted on 10/02/2004 12:39:44 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: wagglebee

Here's to hoping that the other polls will show 'Kerry Wins Debate; No-0ne Cares'.


28 posted on 10/02/2004 12:40:07 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: The Real Deal

"I think that the public in general just disregards the bias of the MSM. The public is much smarter then the MSM give them credit for being. The dumb ones are the nit wits in the MSM."

Interesting you say that- just this morning I read an article showing that while the MSM THINKS their audience is better educated- it turns out the better educated one is, the less one depends on MSM for ones news.

Yes, I will attempt to track down where I read it...seems like it was Townhall...


29 posted on 10/02/2004 12:44:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: gov_bean_ counter

yes they have reason to celebrate because at 41% likability--he has broken into the 40's. Good job sKerry!


30 posted on 10/02/2004 12:46:48 PM PDT by OH Swing Voter
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To: wagglebee

I hope President Bush says something like "if we can only debate terrorists to death" at the next debate when Kerry gets into his pompous lines.


31 posted on 10/02/2004 1:33:34 PM PDT by dmanLA
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To: rineaux
,i>Kerry Better Debater; Bush Better President

My faith in Americans is restored.
32 posted on 10/02/2004 1:35:43 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: dmanLA
I hope President Bush says something like "if we can only debate terrorists to death" at the next debate when Kerry gets into his pompous lines.

Excellent!!!!!!!

33 posted on 10/02/2004 1:37:48 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Squantos

Minus the "de"...


34 posted on 10/02/2004 1:39:59 PM PDT by Lurking2Long
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To: wagglebee

is this the same Gallup Poll that was posted the very night of the debate--right after the debate?


35 posted on 10/02/2004 1:41:31 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Squantos
[ We've suspected all along that Kerry was a Master Debater....... ]

Kerry is the Master Baiter...
those that fall for his bait are the de-baiters...

36 posted on 10/02/2004 1:42:15 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for posting this. Now all the "chicken littles" from the live debate thread can breathe easier.


37 posted on 10/02/2004 1:48:33 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: latina4dubya

I think it came out yesterday.


38 posted on 10/02/2004 1:53:04 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Kozak

Having a better day after reading that


39 posted on 10/02/2004 2:10:10 PM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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To: rineaux

I got stunned Friday when I polled my high school students regarding the debate. They said that Kerry was a better debater, but that they thought that Bush is a better/stronger/clearer leader - by a 9 to 1 margin. I've been teaching for 11 years and teens tend to be liberal - but they are also quite honest and good at spotting phonies. Again - I was stunned!


40 posted on 10/02/2004 2:14:25 PM PDT by Scarchin (Lone conservative teacher)
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To: rineaux

I got stunned Friday when I polled my high school students regarding the debate. They said that Kerry was a better debater, but that they thought that Bush is a better/stronger/clearer leader - by a 9 to 1 margin. I've been teaching for 11 years and teens tend to be liberal - but they are also quite honest and good at spotting phonies. Again - I was stunned!


41 posted on 10/02/2004 2:14:57 PM PDT by Scarchin (Lone conservative teacher)
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To: Scarchin

Great, lets hope the parents vote for Bush.

Thanks for being a teacher, especially a conservative teacher.


42 posted on 10/02/2004 2:17:15 PM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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To: wagglebee

Newsweek is reporting different results.
This will continue to be an issue until and unless GWB kicks ass in the next two...he really did not do a good job on the first debate.


43 posted on 10/02/2004 2:18:09 PM PDT by norton
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Hey wait a minute. Carl Cameron says the Kerry folks are excited about the "dramatic increase" in Kerry's likability numbers.

 

Yea, it's pathetic when they spin Kerry's likability numbers as going up up up, while still several points behind Bush who was not in top form and came off as tired and irritated at times during the debate. What would that number have been if Bush were in tip top shape?

44 posted on 10/02/2004 2:18:15 PM PDT by PilloryHillary (KERRY LIES http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com)
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To: wagglebee
The left wing fascist media will continue to push Traitor Kerry as the debate winner and the people's choice. They will do or say anything to get an their hate American agenda in place.
45 posted on 10/02/2004 2:20:08 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: rineaux

Yeah - it can be a bit "lonely." I always get a good laugh when lefty teachers find out that I'm a conservative - AFTER they've grown to like me. Without exception, they say "But...you seem like such a nice person!" Does not compute!!! Does not compute!!! BOOOOM!!!


46 posted on 10/02/2004 2:21:36 PM PDT by Scarchin (Lone conservative teacher)
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To: lt.america

There's a NewsTweak and ARG poll today showing the race close. I am a bit concerned, but first off--Reagan lost his first re-election debate, too. Second, I was at Bush's appearance in Cuyahoga Falls, OH today and it was great! I couldn't see a damn thing, but I heard W and it was great! Third, the next debate is a "town hall" format, and Bush does better at these.


47 posted on 10/02/2004 2:25:47 PM PDT by RockinRight (W stands for whoop-a**!!!)
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To: RockinRight
I was at the President's appearance back in February here in Charleston and you described the same experience I had. I could not see a thing but he connected well with the crowd. I will try and post some pictures of the event.
48 posted on 10/02/2004 2:30:01 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

(Have faith in W; debates 2 & 3 are going to open a lot of eyes.)

I'm looking forward to the tuesday night match up between Cheney and Edwards.This should be a real standup fight.Cheney is more eloquent than "W" and has an unmatched command of the issues,Edwards is also an excellant speaker and may beat Cheney on likeability.It should be real fun to watch.


49 posted on 10/02/2004 2:35:18 PM PDT by edchambers (Where are we going and why am I in this hand-basket?)
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To: dhm005

Glad to meet you too!
A Black freeper in Silver Spring, MD


50 posted on 10/02/2004 2:41:02 PM PDT by dagnabit
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