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I keep telling people there is a paradigm shift and national referendum on Vietnam. The politics of Vietnam and the liberals ideology is in severe decline. Rejection of the MSM liberal message has only been accelerated by Rathergate. Kerry is their heir apparent, and they may be heartened by the debate. They can not win. They will not win. No one wants Vietnam and the years of self doubt and self hate all over again.

That isnt true. The larger picture tells me that this is a referendum on the War Powers Act and the people of this country don't even know it. Vietnam and Iraq are "debacles" because Congress abdicated it's responsibility so when the going gets tough it falls on the executive. Further, it falls on the executive branch to determine national priorities. It's the ultimate weaseling out for Congress and the ultimate loss for our nation.

As long as this Act remains intact our nation will wilt under threats both great and small. If you want to go to war you need Congress to debate and declare a war on behalf of all Americans.

Iraq is a just war, it's a war we cannot afford to lose but we've lost the political will. Why? Because creeps like Kerry can abdicate responsibility by claiming "it was only a vote" to give the President the power and not hamstring the executive. It's a lose-lose for the nation and a win-win for our increasingly spineless congress.

As usual the nation is harking at the branches of evil and missing the root. And, as usual, the MSM is too ignorant of history and foreign affairs to understand what the hell is going on.

That isnt true. The larger picture tells me that this is a referendum on the War Powers Act and the people of this country don't even know it. Vietnam and Iraq are "debacles" because Congress abdicated it's responsibility so when the going gets tough it falls on the executive. Further, it falls on the executive branch to determine national priorities. It's the ultimate weaseling out for Congress and the ultimate loss for our nation.

That isnt true. The larger picture tells me that this is a referendum on the War Powers Act and the people of this country don't even know it. Vietnam and Iraq are "debacles" because Congress abdicated it's responsibility so when the going gets tough it falls on the executive. Further, it falls on the executive branch to determine national priorities. It's the ultimate weaseling out for Congress and the ultimate loss for our nation.

sorry, I hit post prematurely.

Congress is full of weak as water pussies. I agree that legally and legislatively you may be right, but this affects the soul of the country. Vietnam and Watergate hang over this country like two swords of Damacles.

When the soul shifts, we may get people in that will change the root problems, but as is the soul is conflicted. General propaganda blames conservatives for Vietnam, and God knows conservatives pulled Watergate.

My point is that this election and the war against terror and islamofachism is in front of a new generation. (I include people who could not think for themselves in the 60's in this new generation) The fight is over whether the antiwar movement during Vietnam was patriotic or treasonous.

With the advent of technologies allowing bypassing of the propagandists (MSM) the brainwashing of the Vietnam era can not happen again, and the misguided of the 60's are reforming their world views. Fox, if you add up cable and broadcast had about 13 or 14 million viewers for the first debate. Why? There is a serious shift in the populace towards coming to their own conclusions from reasonably unbiased sources, and preferring a conservative commentary. Was it 9/11? Well, to me, it looks like it started even before that.