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To: sierrahome
That line is rather timely also.

Why do you think the Vatican sainted him? Because he cured a Brazilian nun of varicose veins??? No, because of its agenda.

The Vatican knows there has never been a single documented miracle associated with this fellow, ever. The just invented one when it was politically convenient to invent another "saint."

Makes you wonder how often this sort of thing occurs. More often than some Catholics would like to admit, I'd imagine.

This isn't the first time JP2 has gone against tradition, saintswise--he beatified Mama T before she had been dead long enough.

It's funny to watch Catholics defend their mystical, complicated rules when their own Pope violates them on a political whim.

15 posted on 10/03/2004 9:56:24 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2

The Polish Pontif has confronted both World War II and the Communist Empire; I would not forget this.

On another note, this has shades of, now I remember, Cardinal Stephanic of Croatia being elevated.

One would need to study the issue.


16 posted on 10/03/2004 10:11:33 AM PDT by roadrunner96
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To: xm177e2; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Canticle_of_Deborah; Maeve; Viva Christo Rey; glasgow

Firstly - to correct misunderstandings about Catholic saints - it is very true that anyone who in truth does follow Christ Jesus, to the point of going to heaven, is a saint in the broad sense, as Heaven is intended for God's saints.

When the Church elevates a person to the honors of the altar, it is in recognition of the virtues of that persons life.....heroic virtues. Being "named" a saint does not mean that you were absolutely 100% pefect in life. Far from it - read the lives of saints. Many of them were great sinners, who converted. Many had very great faults and blindnesses.

God does not call those who are perfect - they are already with him. He calls those who are imperfect to perfect themselves in the carrying of their crosses in life. The public recognition of a persons "sainthood" is the holding up of the exemplary aspects of that persons life for our emulation. It is also a recognition of the intercessory powers of the saints with God, on our behalf.

Blessed Karl of Hapsburg - this article to the contrary - was a very pious man in the conduct of his life. A perfect leader - perhaps not. But a profoundly Catholic one, who tried to live his faith as Emporer, yes!

WWI was a coordinated scam to destroy the Catholic civilization of Europe......that which we call Christendom. That was its purpose, plain and simple. To eliminate Catholic monarchies, and the socio-economic unity which was that civilisation. To make possible the advance of Communism - which, as can be clearly demonstrated via a trip to your local library, was funded by Wall Street financial interests.

It had nothing to do with idealism, and everything to do with money. And the goals of globalism. And the destruction of the Judeo-Christian moral basis of society.

Seeing and understanding all this, Blessed Karl stood in the path of the Anglo-American putsch of Catholic European society. He consistantly pleaded for peace - repeatedly - throughout the war, in concert with the Pope. Both were ignored.......as the goal was the destruction of his empire.

So, he sacrificed himself, in a manner of speaking, in trying to preserve for as long as possible the unity of his empire, while seeking humane treatment of the common man, and of his enemies. He demanded that his officers treat POWs with dignity and civility, attending to their needs.

To my mind, both as a Catholic, and as a decendant of the peoples of his Empire, he was a hero - and a saint.


25 posted on 10/25/2004 10:34:34 AM PDT by thor76 (Blessed Karl of Hapsburg, pray for us!)
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