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Scientists Claim To Tap The Free Energy Of Space
For the People ^ | Richard Walters

Posted on 10/04/2004 9:23:57 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

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To: Paradox

I am pretty sure that I have read this article on FreeRepublic several years ago. Probably as long ago as 2000 or 1999. Or at least about this DePalma guy.


61 posted on 10/04/2004 10:29:03 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-; Rebelbase; asgardshill

62 posted on 10/04/2004 10:30:14 AM PDT by Tealc
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
homopolar generator

These people are making gay Santa Clauses?!? That's just wrong?

63 posted on 10/04/2004 10:31:43 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (I live at the end of a one-way deadend street)
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To: longshadow
This is as good a thread as any for a link to our favorite website: TIME CUBE .
64 posted on 10/04/2004 10:33:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: struwwelpeter

i'd put it in a category including turning lead to gold.


65 posted on 10/04/2004 10:34:55 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: js1138; camle; null and void; Servant of the 9; PatrickHenry
In India, eminent engineer Paramahamsa Tewari is currently testing his invention, called the Space Power Generator (SPG), which essentially replicates DePalma's N machine.

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66 posted on 10/04/2004 10:38:50 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: VadeRetro
This guy is nuts, but my perpetual motion machine is the real thing. MMMRUUUHAHAHAHAHA! [demented cackle]


67 posted on 10/04/2004 10:41:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I don't think this audience is ready for the real science contained in the Time Cube.


68 posted on 10/04/2004 10:42:52 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Paradox
{yawn}, I've been keeping up with and reading about this stuff for 15 years on http://www.keelynet.com . Even before the web, they had an old school modem powered BBS I used to read on. Interesting articles, especially for those who know a little (but not enough to refute). Nothing has ever come of this stuff..

My hobby is crackpot science. My shop has been devoted to free energy since I retired. I have built most of the free energy machines you'll find on KeelyNet. I'm very familiar with DePalma's machine. There is no free ride, but if you're into building gadgets this stuff is a lot of fun.

The radio I'm listening to Rush on right now is powered by a free energy antenna. This works great to power a transistor radio, but to power my house I'd need to get the antenna sixty miles out into space.
Lots of things work, they just aren't practical.
69 posted on 10/04/2004 10:52:23 AM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
I'll see your free energy from space- and raise you an anti-gravity gizmo!

Now leave me alone while I finish my room temp super conducting Walkman. I need something to listen to while a perfect my invisibility rays.
70 posted on 10/04/2004 10:52:39 AM PDT by getitright (Bush will lead the USA. Kerry would follow Europe.)
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To: Willie Green
Harvard educated DePalma, who taught physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

For the benefit of those who are too young to "have been there", my previous post was a not-so-subtle allusion that, IMHO, Depalma's device combines the theories of Nikola Tesla, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Timothy Leary.

IOW ~ junk science.

71 posted on 10/04/2004 10:54:27 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines

In 1986, Bruce De Palma claimed development of an overunity machine (referred to as the "N-Machine") that was described as a closed path Homopolar generator with output four times more power than consumed. De Palma was been unwilling to help independent investigators, like PSITRON, analyze his device. One Electrical Engineering professor analysed this device, but skeptics claim the investigation contained a measurement error. De Palma was an associate of Richard C. Hoagland. De Palma died in 1997.


http://www.tinaja.com/glib/bashpseu.pdf

A homopolar generator is the only known
true dc generator. You build one by placing a rotating
conducting disk in a uniform magnetic field and collecting
the radial current. Homopolar generators feature extremely
high currents at quite low voltages. They tend to be rather
inefficient due to the current collection problems.
The nonobvious part comes from the fact that general
relativity demands that you cannot tell if a perfectly uniform
magnetic field is rotating or translating. It took us over a
century to straighten out the weird behavior of the Faraday
Disk version of the homopolar machine. The generation of
a homopolar disk depends only upon the strength of the
magnetic field and the relative speeds of the machine’s
stator and rotor. It does not matter in the least whether the
magnets themselves are rotating or not.
While not at all obvious, counter torques and counter
emf’s very definitely do exist in all homopolar machines,
just as they must in all electrical generators. No "overunity"
operation of any homopolar device has ever been shown.
Such claims are most often caused by improper ac power
measurement and misunderstanding reaction torques.

http://phact.org/e/z/freewire.htm

The homopolar motor
If you pump a huge current into the disk the magnetic field will generate enough force on it to make it rotate despite the brush friction. (Early experimenters made contact to the rim of the disk by making it pass through pools of mercury. Since mercury vapor is rather poisonous this is not done any more.) Unfortunately, generating large direct currents at low voltages is a notoriously inefficient process. AC can be transformed down to get a low voltage but the rectifying device needed to convert the output to DC tends to drop about half a volt, making the efficiency less than 50% before you start moving anything. About the only device which can generate large currents at low voltages at all efficiently is, you guessed it, a homopolar generator.

Defeating your own object
One hopeful inventor thought that you could generate an output voltage without generating a reverse force by attaching the magnets generating the field to the rotating disk. Unfortunately, this doesn't work. Only relative motion of the field and the current carrying disk generates a voltage. What misled this inventor was that he did measure a voltage when he connected a meter between the shaft and the rim of the disk. He hadn't realized that the ring magnets were generating two fields, one in the disk between the magnets and another toroidal field in the space around the disk. The disk wasn't generating a voltage but the wire leading to the meter was being cut by this rotating field and was generating a small voltage. Connecting a current meter would have shown an output current. However, this current would have reacted on the rotating field to slow the disk down. As I said before, you have to consider what is happening
everywhere in the system, not just focus on one part of it and ignore the rest.

The effect was the same as if the disk and magnets were stationary and a contact had been spun round the edge of the disk. The wire going to the contact would have been moving in a magnetic field and all the usual rules would apply.

Conclusion
No arrangement of wires and magnetic fields and moving parts is going to generate more electrical power than the input mechanical power or generate more mechanical power than the input electrical power. If you want to experiment, by all means have fun, but please don't think you are going to bring about an energy revolution. Above all, spend only your own money, not other people's unless you want to spend the rest of your life dodging irate investors.


72 posted on 10/04/2004 10:54:35 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: js1138
I don't think this audience is ready for the real science contained in the Time Cube.

In that case, how about this? I'm a Victim of a Time Coup d'etat.

73 posted on 10/04/2004 10:55:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

check later, after getting out tinfoil.


74 posted on 10/04/2004 10:55:31 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

75 posted on 10/04/2004 11:00:13 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

OCTOBER SUPRIZE

OR APRIL FOOL?
76 posted on 10/04/2004 11:01:09 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Is this anything like socialism ??

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.~Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

77 posted on 10/04/2004 11:15:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: PatrickHenry
I recall a few years ago a guy from my hometown scammed some major industry bigwigs with a scheme for ultra high speed (read fiber optic speeds) data transfer over ordinary telephone wire. We're talking Cisco kind of industry bigwigs.

He lived rather well for half a dozen years on research grants., pocketing a couple million in investment capital.

Scientists sometimes exhibit a pathetic tendency to take people at their word. It can take years to debunk the simplest sleight of hand tricks.
78 posted on 10/04/2004 11:18:50 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Too bad the "journal" ceased publishing in 1999. I couldn't find DePalma's paper at his website either.

Interested venture capitalists can look here

You'd think 26 years would be enough time to build one and show the critics.

79 posted on 10/04/2004 11:23:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: js1138
Scientists sometimes exhibit a pathetic tendency to take people at their word.

That's because there's usually no fraud in professional science, so they're not alert to scams. And most of them have very little real-world experience. (Yeah, I know, there's a whole bunch of folks who think science is all fraud. They're frequently the ones who promptly buy into the perpetual motion stories.)

80 posted on 10/04/2004 11:24:10 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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