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To: Rutles4Ever

I see your point...still, Christ made a personal sacrifice for the greater good of mankind - and still leaving open the possibility that we sinned, individually or collectively after His leaving this world.

I have trouble imagining a God specifically allowing (and, to take frog_jerk's word, planning) something like the Holocaust and Communism, with its dozens of millions victims.

I may be wrong on that account, but to me Nazism, Communism and Terrorism are not part of God's plans for us but proof of our imperfection and our need to live according His words. Not something God planned specifically, but some great evil that comes from our own free will that He gave us.


53 posted on 10/07/2004 8:23:18 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend
I have trouble imagining a God specifically allowing (and, to take frog_jerk's word, planning) something like the Holocaust and Communism, with its dozens of millions victims.

I take it you haven't read much of the Old Testament prophets who talked at length about God purposely dispersing the Jews and punishing them for their disloyalty.

I may be wrong on that account, but to me Nazism, Communism and Terrorism are not part of God's plans for us but proof of our imperfection and our need to live according His words. Not something God planned specifically, but some great evil that comes from our own free will that He gave us.

You are correct, but we're not debating about what God plans, but what He allows. God permits all things. He permitted the persecution of Job. He permitted the building of the atomic bomb. He permitted 9/11. All for a higher purpose. Without the lessons learned from the evil of communism, would benign secular atheism have destroyed religion with "science" by this point? We don't know. It's all about faith. We have to trust that God, in His wisdom, did not intervene to stop the fruition of Communism and Nazism for the purpose of bringing about good. Don't forget, the United States - the defender of democracy - became an unchallenged superpower because of WWII and the Cold War. The Pope is declaring the fruit that God brought forth from the evil of these tyrannical political systems. He's not endorsing it. He's not promoting it. He's not qualifying Communism and Nazism as good things.

72 posted on 10/07/2004 8:37:58 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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