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THE BROAD OUTLINES OF THE RACE, HEADING INTO PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE NUMBER TWO
Kerry Spot/National Review Online ^ | 10/8/04 | jim geraghty

Posted on 10/08/2004 4:09:26 PM PDT by MarlboroRed

There’s no denying, based on the movement in the polls, Kerry has done himself some good. We can quibble with the sampling of these nationwide polls, but what was once a race that the president was in position to run away with is now very close again. Kerry may even be leading — between his cheerleaders in the media and the solidifying Democratic base, we should not be surprised by post-debate polls showing Kerry up.

And those who support Bush should not be surprised to see another tsunami of coverage hyping the “Kerry is a great closer” myth. In other words, if you’re pulling for W., it will probably get worse before it gets better. Such is life, sometimes.

But there is still the matter of the electoral college.

RealClearPolitics posts an astute analysis of where things stand.

Short version: If Kerry wins all of the Gore states, Bush still gets 278 electoral votes. So Kerry needs to pick off a few red states. His chances in New Hampshire look good, and it's possible for Kerry, if he focuses almost all of his attention and resources there, to win Ohio. (I also wonder about Nevada and Colorado.)

But Bush is looking very good in Wisconsin (still up by 3 points, after Kerry spent three days in the Badger state) and he's got a decent shot at Iowa, maybe Minnesota. I thought New Mexico would go red, but the loose voter-identification standards imposed by the state's Supreme Court should help Democrats get their "voters" to the polls.

The good news for Republicans is that after a tough week for Bush and a good week for the Democrats, Kerry still has a tough road to get 270 electoral votes. (Tough, but far from impossible.) But Republicans should be worried that the president is now in a position where he needs a break or two to go his way between now and Election Day.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: seconddebate

1 posted on 10/08/2004 4:09:26 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed
But Republicans should be worried that the president is now in a position where he needs a break or two to go his way between now and Election Day.

And those two breaks will be Bush winning tonight's debate and next week's.
2 posted on 10/08/2004 4:11:08 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: MarlboroRed
Also in the Kerry Spot, a brief analysis of the Time poll:

CrushKerry.com observes that the sampling in the Time poll has changed dramatically. The prior poll, showing Bush up by 6 was weighted 36-31 in favor of the GOP. The new one is weighted 36-32 in favor of the Democrats.

I'm not saying that this is a deliberate effort on the part of Time to skew its results. But if you suddenly poll more Democrats and less Republicans, wouldn't you expect Bush's lead to shrink or disappear?

3 posted on 10/08/2004 4:12:12 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

I love the bias...the author admits Bush was running away with it before Debate 1. We NEVER heard that from the left prior to Debate 1...it was always very CLOSE according to them. What Debate 1 did was allow the left to spin Kerry won because Bush stared in the camera for 5 full seconds with nothing coming out of his mouth and he looked angry. Big Deal! That made voters think kerry has a plan just because he uses the words, "I have a plan"...we never get past the words "I have a plan" though...

Once Bush performs well tonight the the battle ground states will be lining up behind Bush. Kerry will NOT win Bush 2000 states and is likely to lose Wisconsin and Iowa...possibly Minnesota too. For a nation so DIVIDED as the media says we shouldn't have any undecides..as they have taken sides and DIVIDED the country....any performance..good, bad, fantastic or awful in a debate isn't going to move polls IF the nation really is as divided as the MSM and the libs like to say.

Remember when they say it is close...they are losing big time.


4 posted on 10/08/2004 4:15:16 PM PDT by Illinois Rep
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To: Illinois Rep
Actually, Geraghty, the Kerry Spot author in the National Review Kerry Spot has been on our side.

Why the hell do all of us have our heads in the sand? There's a fight on, and most of you are acting like gentleman Senators picnicking on the hills overlooking the First Battle of Bull Run.

5 posted on 10/08/2004 4:18:26 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed
They say that a man's character is revealed by looking at their left eye!

Any questions?

6 posted on 10/08/2004 4:19:25 PM PDT by rocksblues (Sorry John, we remember and will never forget your treason!)
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To: MarlboroRed
VERY SIGNIFICANT: American troops uncovering plans in Iraq to disrupt and potentially terrorize our schools. These dummies are so focused on the economy and jobs they dont realize that another such attack or catastrohic attack would destroy the economy and life as we know it.
7 posted on 10/08/2004 4:20:11 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: MarlboroRed

My apologies...

I heard the exact statement today from Kerry's blond haired spokesgirl on Fox News...

She said, "Before the first debate Bush was pulling away and after the debate Kerry is pulling ahead"...

Sounded too much like the talking point marching orders from the Dummies. When they admit they were behind...saying it was close..and being honest about it, you have to assume everytime they say it is close they are really behind.


8 posted on 10/08/2004 4:23:43 PM PDT by Illinois Rep
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To: Illinois Rep
I'm sorry for being a jerk.

I agree we should view anything from MSM with skepticism.

But several times today, people have been accusing me of defeatism when I think it's important for us to recognize that the dynamics of this race have changed since last week.

We're in a fight, they're intimidating our voters, attacking our headquarters.

9 posted on 10/08/2004 4:27:10 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

Kerry has forgotten all about 9/11 and he hopes america has too..


10 posted on 10/08/2004 4:28:11 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Global Tests in the defense of our Country are not supported by the CONSTITUTION.)
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To: MarlboroRed
I disagree on the conclusion but agree on some of the finer points. The most underrepresented fact not covered is the unfailing support of the MSM for JFK. Conventionally, that type of support should guarantee the election for JFK. But, thats not what is happening. Bush is maintaining a slight lead nationally and is ahead in the electoral college. When its all said and done on Nov. 3, JFKs base percentage of 37-41 will be his score. The US will win.
11 posted on 10/08/2004 4:29:09 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: MarlboroRed

What are the chances France, Germany & the UN will be treated with "diplomatic immunity" by the President who will refrain from a much deserved bashing and avoid any mention of Oil for Fraud?

Predictions anyone?


13 posted on 10/08/2004 4:36:24 PM PDT by ConservativeConvert
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To: MarlboroRed

Well I am pessimistic but

1. I can't see any who voted for Bush in 2000 going for Kerry
2. Some traditional dems have to come to their sense in the voting both
3. Black vote does not seem to be at 90%
4. I can't believe vietnam veterans will not be motivated to vote against Kerry


15 posted on 10/08/2004 4:37:27 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: donkeyrule

Bass Ackwards Dork.


16 posted on 10/08/2004 4:39:37 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: MarlboroRed
Kerry still has a tough road to get 270 electoral votes.

I frankly do not buy for a minute, the possibility that John 'F-ing' Kerry will receive 270 electoral votes. Period.

17 posted on 10/08/2004 4:39:52 PM PDT by Pagey
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Lines I'd like to see Bush use:

"Senator you keep attacking my record as President. I'll put the record home ownership, the consumer indexes, the over 3000 al-Qaeda we've captured or killed in over 100 countries, the fall and capture of Saddam Hussein, his sons and his regime against your lame and unimpressive 20 year Senate career who's biggest achievement is a 75% absentee voting record any day, any time, any place Senator."


19 posted on 10/08/2004 5:25:18 PM PDT by Illinois Rep
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