Posted on 10/08/2004 8:36:12 PM PDT by diabolicNYC
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NEWS FLASH: Badnarik arrested trying to crash debate
Libertarian Presidential candidate Michael Badnarik and Green Party Presidential candidate David Cobb were arrested Friday evening when they crossed police lines in an attempt to gain entry to the presidential debate they had been excluded from at Washington University in St. Louis, MO.
Reached by mobile phone at approximately 11:30PM Central time Friday, Badnarik campaign Communications Director Stephen Gordon reported being in a hectic rush to gather, verify and distribute information on the situation.
“Michael Badnarik is currently imprisoned at an undisclosed location in the St. Louis area. I've gotten a report from our man John Airheart out in the field saying that law enforcement officials are unable to provide info on his exact whereabouts, but he is believed to probably be in a St. Louis municipal lockup. We intend to get him out as soon as we can find out more, as he has campaign appearances scheduled in St. Louis, Champagne-Urbana and Kansas City on Saturday.”
Gordon went on to stress that Badnarik was doing far more than merely protesting his exclusion from the debates when arrested. He was attempting to serve process papers on Commission on Presidential Debates officials.
“Michael had process papers in his pocket related to our suit in Arizona against the CPD. Two previous attempts this afternoon to serve papers to the CPD at their facility in Washington, DC were thwarted by guards they recently set up. We expect to be releasing more information on that as it becomes available”
The Badnarik campaign said they also made attempts to serve process via email and facsimile to the Commission on Presidential Debates and others involved in the suit, which may soon take a turn for the dramatic.
“We will be in court Tuesday morning to stop the third debate. Public money is being used illegally to promote only certain candidates” said Gordon, who also mentioned that photos and audio of process papers being served to Arizona State University officials for their role in the upcoming third debate will be made available by the Badnarik campaign shortly.
Asked about the mainstream media blackout of Badnarik and Cobb's arrest, Gordon was undaunted. “Americans know now they can not trust the mainstream media to cover real events in real time. The Internet is taking over because it has to. Americans have no place to go for the truth anymore but the Internet.”
The 9th seems to be very close to Libertarian issues.
Pro-drug, anti-Patriot act, etc.
I would have also if it weren't for them coming back from a recruting drive at a NORML convention in gay, socialist San Francisco with glowing reports about how they had so much in common and thought it was a fertile recruiting ground for new LP'ers.
I think a lot of San Franciscans think of themselves as libertarians but they're really democrats. They haven't thought carefully enough about it. They just know they don't want to be told what to do. They don't mind forcing their views of political correctness on others, though. They don't mind gun grabbing. They don't mind draconian zoning laws and utopian development restrictions.
Only shows how ignorant of libertarian positions you are. The 9th Circus stances on things like the 2nd amendment alone make you a liar. Not to mention private property rights.
Get a clue joker...
That's what is confusing about the Libertarians; that they would thing the drug crowd in SF would make good recruits.
Please be civil. The 9th has been praised by Libertarians here for their stands on issues related to civil rights. I agree that they have a anti-2nd amendment stance but, nevertheless, Libertarians look to them for guidance on search and seizure, God and government and drug issues.
The real kooks are the people who believe that two presidential candidates in a debate are getting a fair choice. There are issues that both candidates will not answer directly so not to offend the smallest amount of voters. Dancing in circles or as the media calls it "spin" is a very accurate description of sidestepping the real issues with vage, confusing "plans" with no accountability when nothing happens.
I have noticed that bloodline politics are becoming like royalty. How many political families have succession of offspring and sibling entering into politics? Bring into the vast financial resources those now wealthy and connected families have, it is no wonder that John Kerry can look down at his viewing audience as if they are pieces of poo because in his opinion they probably make less than $200k a year.
Afghanastan just conducted presidential elections with 12 candidates. Each candidate had the same opportunity to present their platform and real people actually showed up to listen and question the candidates. Staged, scripted non inclusive presidential debates are trickery and a facade. Obviously it is evident because 50% of eliglble voters in America DO NOT VOTE because they do not feel they have representation. It is a sad state when people have to vote for the lesser of two evils because other candidates and platforms are repressed by the major media.
There will never be a strong alternative candidate because of political payoffs and media bribery with big money. Unless those candidates are given one single chance to be in the spotlight. But of course a candidate who looks down on the people is not going to allow a commoner to join him in debate. I think presidential candidates should not have made over $200k a year. That brings them down to the level of the vast majority of Americans who would welcome an opportunity to be represented by a non millionaire lawyer brand name caviar fed politician.
As I said, trying to shoehorn libertarian ideology into the 9th Circuits socialist leanings is ridiculous. If you ever bothering to try and have an hoenst conversation about the issues, you'd already know that.
So how much more Nanny State do we need in your opinion? How many more billions do we need to spend on a drug war that is no closer to being won than at anytime over the last 70 years?
We've done it your way for far too long and we've seen out entire society slipping right down the toilet as you continue to lose out to rampant socialism. Time to try something else. Something radical that you maky not like very much. It's called Freedom. Allowing people to suffer the pains of their mistakes.
I know... it is a hard pill for some of you to swallow. You already have the infininte wisdom to guide the rest of humanity. You personally have all the answers and we should all follow your shining example. After all, who really needs this freedom stuff anyway?
I added this to show that they are completely consistent. Your inference is invalid.
However, if you want to foot the bill for such a thing, shouldn't the public buildings and meeting place be indicative and inclusive of those in the community? Instead of removing all such things from the public square, space should be made for all of the iconography.
Therein lies the difference that gives the lie to your bias. The 9th clearly states that all such religious items should be expunged. The libertarian stance would be inclusion of all as long as no tax money goes to pay for their placement or upkeep. A massive and vital difference. Get over it.
But you said the 9th's position on this was anti-Libertarian and now you are saying it IS Libertarian. Whatever.
Tht is because you are obviously too stupid to know the difference between judicial mandate EXCLUDING public symbols, and the libertarian stance of allowing anything as long as it is paid for by private parties.
Sorry. I was watching the ballgame (OT) so I will reply again. I understand what you are saying as the difference. But I would have to do a little more research to delve into it (the religious issue) in more detail at this time.
If he wants attention he has to get arrested and then go on the Art Bell Show. Funny, neither the RNC nor the DNC nor the big news media will give him the time of day.
From the LP platform:
"Solution: In order to defend freedom, we advocate a strict separation of church and State. We oppose government actions that either aid or attack any religion. "
It appears from this statement that the LP proposes that government NOT allow any religious symbols on government property, whether paid for by public or private funds since the allowance of a religious symbol would "aid" that religion and also violate the "strict separation" clause. That would seem to be consistent with the 9th.
Libertarians believe fully in people having their own beliefs. If you want to erect a 12 story high copy of the 10 Commandments out front of a courthouse... feel free to do so. But do it with your own money. Do not use the force of government to steal tax money from your neighbors to erect your golden calves.
This is contrary to the atheistic 9th Circus who would completely remove all such symbols from our public places, schools, and even our workplaces. This is most certainly a violation of First Amendment expression of our varying religious faiths.
My faith, such as it is, is strong enough to compete freely in the market place of ideas. Inclusion of others does not diminish mine in any way.
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